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[Wintersdark]

GRiPSViGiL, on 19 October 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

What I meant by that is most people they milk with Mech packs loved BT from books, anime, toys as kids and have to have their fav. Video games are more a competitive outlet for me since I give no Fs about BT or its lore.

So you have no desire to buy more mechs, but you should realise you are decidedly in the minority here. After all, look at how many mechs sell.

Lots of us just like to have new toys to play with, even if we're not hardcore fanboys jonsing for our favourites.

I'll keep buying new mechs as long as I'm playing.

[Johny Rocket]

Wintersdark, on 19 October 2015 - 04:12 PM, said:

So you have no desire to buy more mechs, but you should realise you are decidedly in the minority here. After all, look at how many mechs sell.

Lots of us just like to have new toys to play with, even if we're not hardcore fanboys jonsing for our favourites.

I'll keep buying new mechs as long as I'm playing.

Yeah psr doesn't change that I will buy mechs I think are cool.

[Bishop Steiner]

MoonUnitBeta, on 19 October 2015 - 04:10 PM, said:

It's just interesting that you laugh at people who read too much into Tier badges(visible ones), while you judge someone who chooses not to show it.

But when the day comes where people can't post on the forums because they don't show their tier, then that'll be the day I'm long gone.
Sadly that seems to already be fast approaching...

nope, I'm just saying you are making WAY too much out of my post. But whatever, run with it if you want.

[Wintersdark]

Tractor Joe, on 19 October 2015 - 04:15 PM, said:

Yeah psr doesn't change that I will buy mechs I think are cool.

Exactly. This was the crux of my first post in this thread. I just don't see how PSR makes people not buy mechs.

1) you're a competitive person, and you're just going to use the best mechs. PSR has no bearing on this; you'll only buy new mechs if they're upgrades anyways.

2) you're a lorehound with favourite chassis. You'll buy them regardless.

3) you're cheap/only like a couple chassis - you won't buy any regardless.

4) you like new toys. You'll buy new mechs regardless.

So.... How does PSR fit in? If you're super-concerned about PSR, you're basically category 1 above... And thus PSR doesn't actually play into the decision.

[GRiPSViGiL]

Wintersdark, on 19 October 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

What does any of that have to do with PSR?

You asked a question and I gave an answer to that question. Since you want PSR addressed also...I don't really care about it since it is nothing more than an XP bar.

[Bishop Steiner]

Wintersdark, on 19 October 2015 - 04:12 PM, said:

So you have no desire to buy more mechs, but you should realise you are decidedly in the minority here. After all, look at how many mechs sell.

Lots of us just like to have new toys to play with, even if we're not hardcore fanboys jonsing for our favourites.

I'll keep buying new mechs as long as I'm playing.

heck..some of bought mechs we don't even know WHY we did (Resistance II.... I swear I wasn't drunk!)

[GRiPSViGiL]

Wintersdark, on 19 October 2015 - 04:12 PM, said:

So you have no desire to buy more mechs, but you should realise you are decidedly in the minority here. After all, look at how many mechs sell.

Lots of us just like to have new toys to play with, even if we're not hardcore fanboys jonsing for our favourites.

I'll keep buying new mechs as long as I'm playing.

Ya, I gave PGI more of my money to mismanage development of this game than they deserved. I realize others buy mechs for their own reasons. There are plenty of reasons to buy and not to buy mechs, hurting PSR growth being a valid one.

[Wintersdark]

GRiPSViGiL, on 19 October 2015 - 04:40 PM, said:

You asked a question and I gave an answer to that question. Since you want PSR addressed also...I don't really care about it since it is nothing more than an XP bar.

Well, look at my question, look at the thread title, look back at my question.

I don't know where you're going, but I'm on topic for the thread. I assumed you where, but I guess not?

Bishop Steiner, on 19 October 2015 - 04:43 PM, said:

heck..some of bought mechs we don't even know WHY we did (Resistance II.... I swear I wasn't drunk!)

I've got aa set of Mist Lynxes I have absolutely no idea why I bought. I don't even like lights (except my beloved Urbies!)

[GRiPSViGiL]

Wintersdark, on 19 October 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

Well, look at my question, look at the thread title, look back at my question.

I don't know where you're going, but I'm on topic for the thread. I assumed you where, but I guess not?

I should check the CoC. Can a thread not have more than one topic? Don't answer that. It is probably off topic.

[Bishop Steiner]

GRiPSViGiL, on 19 October 2015 - 04:50 PM, said:

I should check the CoC. Can a thread not have more than one topic? Don't answer that. It is probably off topic.

whether one can or cannot, I would say it is normal to expect a post to be based in said context, or if not, the poster would be explicit to that. But that's just me.

[Lord0fHats]

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The monetization of this game cannot rely on the "pay to win" model of League.

Stopped reading right about here to laugh my ass off.

Edited by Lord0fHats, 19 October 2015 - 05:04 PM.

[Ted Wayz]

Wintersdark, on 19 October 2015 - 04:12 PM, said:

So you have no desire to buy more mechs, but you should realise you are decidedly in the minority here. After all, look at how many mechs sell.

Lots of us just like to have new toys to play with, even if we're not hardcore fanboys jonsing for our favourites.

I'll keep buying new mechs as long as I'm playing.

How many mechs do sell? Haven't seen any data so I am guessing you are speculating. Along with how many people buy them.

And it is not a sustainable model. Only so many mechs. Look at Sarna.

And all the hot ones will be available for c-bills at Steam release so no money there.

Lord0fHats, on 19 October 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

Stopped reading right about here to laugh my ass off.

Well known fact and admitted by the makers of League that they release buffed up Champions then slowly nerf them over time.

[Wintersdark]

Ted Wayz, on 19 October 2015 - 05:06 PM, said:

How many mechs do sell? Haven't seen any data so I am guessing you are speculating. Along with how many people buy them.

Educated speculation. I watch what people are piloting in matches when new packs release, how many different names I see piloting the new mechs.

And there are lots.

In addition, we had those events with bonuses for pack buyers, so you can see roughly numbers of sales there too.

Badges, as well, show who bought a given pack - when people choose to show them.

Further, lots of people still buy mech packs after cbill release. Hell, I buy mechs for $ after cbill release regularly; in fact, I haven't bought a mech via cbills in over a year. My cbills end up going to modules and such.

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And it is not a sustainable model. Only so many mechs. Look at Sarna.

And all the hot ones will be available for c-bills at Steam release so no money there.

Except there will be, because it's WAY easier to buy a pack of mechs for cash than to buy the three variants for cbills. It takes a prohibitively long time to farm up the cbills to buy and kit out three mechs, even with premium time, unless you're a kid or retired and able to spend hours gaming every day. Yay Paulconomy.

[Bishop Steiner]

Ted Wayz, on 19 October 2015 - 05:06 PM, said:

How many mechs do sell? Haven't seen any data so I am guessing you are speculating. Along with how many people buy them.

And it is not a sustainable model. Only so many mechs. Look at Sarna.

And all the hot ones will be available for c-bills at Steam release so no money there.


Well known fact and admitted by the makers of League that they release buffed up Champions then slowly nerf them over time.

at a quick count, there are approximately 550 individual mechs on Sarna, not counting Ultralights, Colossal, or Industrial Mechs.

Even assuming 100 of those are deemed unusable (Obsolete, Experimental, LAMS, Quads, etc), that 4-450 individual chassis...with more being officially released every year.

At the current pace of (approximately) 1 a month, that PGI has been releasing mechs, that would be enough for 37 years of releases.... let's be nice and say they bump it to two a month..... that's still almost 19 years.

By which time, even being generous, everything about this game will be obsolete, and defunct, and the servers dark, even if it were to do better than it is.


Lot of things can be argued, but the "sustainability of the finite number of mechs available"? Not a realistic concern.

And the ones already released have already served their purpose in the profit model...any future purchases would just be gravy, anyhow.

There are indeed limitations to their profit model, but running out of mechs to sell.... not really one of them.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 19 October 2015 - 05:18 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Decals coming will be a good addition too, unless they totally fudge up the monetization model there (an entirely plausible possibility).

I definitely think PGI needs to work on their microtransactions. The mech packs (be they 4-packs or just singles) are a great macro-transaction setup that's clearly working really well, but I'd like to see some worthwhile smaller cosmetic purchases.

I'd seriously dump a LOT of money on custom geometry for my mechs.... and I've got over a hundred of the things, so there's a lot of mechs to customize. I'm not interested in cockpit customization (if I could, I'd turn off my cockpits entirely. Yes, I'm a heretic) but I'm totally into external cosmetic modification.

[Bishop Steiner]

Wintersdark, on 19 October 2015 - 05:22 PM, said:

Decals coming will be a good addition too, unless they totally fudge up the monetization model there (an entirely plausible possibility).

I definitely think PGI needs to work on their microtransactions. The mech packs (be they 4-packs or just singles) are a great macro-transaction setup that's clearly working really well, but I'd like to see some worthwhile smaller cosmetic purchases.

I'd seriously dump a LOT of money on custom geometry for my mechs.... and I've got over a hundred of the things, so there's a lot of mechs to customize. I'm not interested in cockpit customization (if I could, I'd turn off my cockpits entirely. Yes, I'm a heretic) but I'm totally into external cosmetic modification.

this. Very much this. But based on colors and camos, their "micro" for variable geometry would probably be half the price of a mech.

[Johny Rocket]

Wintersdark, on 19 October 2015 - 05:22 PM, said:

Decals coming will be a good addition too, unless they totally fudge up the monetization model there (an entirely plausible possibility).

I definitely think PGI needs to work on their microtransactions. The mech packs (be they 4-packs or just singles) are a great macro-transaction setup that's clearly working really well, but I'd like to see some worthwhile smaller cosmetic purchases.

I'd seriously dump a LOT of money on custom geometry for my mechs.... and I've got over a hundred of the things, so there's a lot of mechs to customize. I'm not interested in cockpit customization (if I could, I'd turn off my cockpits entirely. Yes, I'm a heretic) but I'm totally into external cosmetic modification.

I as well. Already spent hundreds in a year, whats a bit more for something I really want.

Edited by Tractor Joe, 19 October 2015 - 07:06 PM.

[El Bandito]

Ted Wayz, on 19 October 2015 - 05:06 PM, said:

Well known fact and admitted by the makers of League that they release buffed up Champions then slowly nerf them over time.

Newer champs like Zed? Azir? Bard? Tahm'Kench? Flash news: They were all underpowered upon release. Only recent champions that was decidedly OP upon release were Ekko and Rek'Sai, but they were nerfed soon enough.

Edited by El Bandito, 19 October 2015 - 07:16 PM.

[Ted Wayz]

El Bandito, on 19 October 2015 - 07:11 PM, said:

Newer champs like Zed? Azir? Bard? Tahm'Kench? Flash news: They were all underpowered upon release. Only recent champions that was decidedly OP upon release were Ekko and Rek'Sai, but they were nerfed soon enough.

They can try to move away from their model, but the Chinese sure as hell wouldn't let them. They love P2W.

But do you think MWO can survive with that model? Of course not. Only one game could survive and is surviving with that model.

[El Bandito]

Ted Wayz, on 19 October 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

They can try to move away from their model, but the Chinese sure as hell wouldn't let them. They love P2W.

But do you think MWO can survive with that model? Of course not. Only one game could survive and is surviving with that model.

If you think Tencent has any hand in LoL balancing then you are clearly not worth talking to about the topic at hand.

And yes, theoretically it is better for the sale to release a mech with slightly better than average stats and nerf it later, than to release an underpowered mech and buff it up later. Just none of that Invasion Wave I nonsense, cause that **** was pure P2W until the mechs were out for C-Bills.

Edited by El Bandito, 19 October 2015 - 09:48 PM.