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[Scout Derek]

Makenzie71, on 22 October 2015 - 01:01 PM, said:

Mistakes happen. I misinterpreted the tone of this thread as it seems the very nature of it is to complain about this feature. Either way, my only point was that a message that would have taken you five seconds to write privately or post publicly would have had me respond with "no problem" and it would have been the end of the conversation. Altering peoples' content without informing them is simply asking them to repeat the offense.

I was trying to, but you had already posted another one before I could even reply.

[Makenzie71]

Scout Derek, on 22 October 2015 - 01:05 PM, said:

I was trying to, but you had already posted another one before I could even reply.

I'm crazy fast. I went back to correct a grammatical error I noticed later and it was gone...I thought I'd simply forgot to push the submit button.

[Water Bear]

...Could some of this discussion be happening in private messages?

Also I am disconcerted about what sounds like a very real possibility that I will get moderated for typing "gilf" or "glhf" at the start of every round, or for having more or less unrelated conversations in game about things like Scotch whiskey.

Edited by Water Bear, 22 October 2015 - 01:11 PM.

[Scout Derek]

Water Bear, on 22 October 2015 - 01:09 PM, said:

...Could some of this discussion be happening in private messages?

Also I am disconcerted about what sounds like a very real possibility that I will get moderated for typing "gilf" or "glhf" at the start of every round, or for having more or less unrelated conversations in game about things like Scotch whiskey.

I doubt that glhf will get you moderated, it's constructive, just remember to not type in "GG" or "GGWP" at the end of a bad match, per say the 12-0 matches. People tend to get angry from it.

[JohnnyWayne]

Raggedyman, on 22 October 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

1 - you don't not talk about fight club
2 - Chat is not a Fightclub, and people do care about what happens in chat because it can get really dull to have it filled up with abuse when you're trying to play a game. It is actually possible to go 15 minutes without questioning everyone's parentage.
3 - Canada is a free country, which means PGI are free to have their game operate however they want. Also please stop contusing meaningful freedom of speech with your apparent obsessive wise to be able to offend and upset whoever you want: even countries with incredibly liberal free speech clauses say you can't run up to people in the street and start yelling at them so the idea of total free speech doesn't really exist. Maybe try and be social and considerate rather than a junior socio-path?

2.: If you feel irritated by chat while actually playing, your attention span is about 5 seconds long and you better turn it off . Not sure if this is the game for you in that case. There is a difference between spamming, a conversation and hatespeech or insulting someone and their mother(s).
3.: I can run up and yell at anyone I want. I just have to not insult them directly. I choose not to. Neither do I in MWO. Welcome to germany.

Btw, I take offense in player typing "gg" at the end of a match, when it was not. That is now reportable too yes? I tell you what: Everyone has a different preception of a match. A guy that died first with 20 damage had no good game.

All this has left the space of common sense and now flies towards hurdurcity.

Edited by JohnnyWayne, 22 October 2015 - 01:22 PM.

[spectralthundr]

Scout Derek, on 22 October 2015 - 01:12 PM, said:

I doubt that glhf will get you moderated, it's constructive, just remember to not type in "GG" or "GGWP" at the end of a bad match, per say the 12-0 matches. People tend to get angry from it.

When did MWO become special snowflake everyone's a victim candy land?

[pwnface]

Scout Derek, on 22 October 2015 - 01:12 PM, said:

I doubt that glhf will get you moderated, it's constructive, just remember to not type in "GG" or "GGWP" at the end of a bad match, per say the 12-0 matches. People tend to get angry from it.

So saying GG at the end of a match is considered unconstructive? People say GG at the end of games as a sign of sportsmanship, in fact players from my unit will always GG it up even if we got slaughtered by a better team.

I find it troubling that the criteria for reportable chat falls under the over-inclusive banner of "people tend to get angry from it". If I mention the delicious ribeye that I'm eating in chat and a vegan reports me because they are mad I'm eating a steak should I expect to get moderated? I think it's important to have clearly defined rules for what is not acceptable behavior, it's a pretty slippery slope to allow people to report others because they are annoyed.

[JohnnyWayne]

spectralthundr, on 22 October 2015 - 01:25 PM, said:

When did MWO become special snowflake everyone's a victim candy land?

Fight me

But seriously: Looks like when they added that report button....

pwnface, on 22 October 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

So saying GG at the end of a match is considered unconstructive? People say GG at the end of games as a sign of sportsmanship, in fact players from my unit will always GG it up even if we got slaughtered by a better team.

I find it troubling that the criteria for reportable chat falls under the over-inclusive banner of "people tend to get angry from it". If I mention the delicious ribeye that I'm eating in chat and a vegan reports me because they are mad I'm eating a steak should I expect to get moderated? I think it's important to have clearly defined rules for what is not acceptable behavior, it's a pretty slippery slope to allow people to report others because they are annoyed.

As I don't like this GG as mentioned before, I would never report someone for it. Common sense. Not everyone has one it seems.

Edited by JohnnyWayne, 22 October 2015 - 01:33 PM.

[Mystere]

Scout Derek, on 22 October 2015 - 12:29 PM, said:

If you think I'm taking opposite views, I'm not. I'm just stating which was given and what wasn't.

When I said "examples of moderators publicly taking opposite views on the same issue", I was referring to "hot" topics that involved the CoC. A very good example are all the periodic mega-page discussions on whether or not hiding is a legitimate tactic. Three moderators basically had the differing positions of [1] never, [2] it depends, and [3] always. Obviously, that created a whole lot of confusion as posters were quoting one of those three to bolster their positions.

And so when this came up in the latest patch notes:

InnerSphereNews, on 19 October 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

Nonparticipation
• Suiciding
• AFK
• Disconnecting

You'd automatically assume that hiding is in fact allowed, given it's absence from the list. And yet ... argh!

All I am requesting is that the support and moderation teams be on the same page so that such confusing spectacles are avoided.

That and what I think is 627's moderation warning feeling like it's a little on the excessive side. There will be banter between opposing teams. It's the nature of PvP games -- online or otherwise. And there will be oversensitive ones who will report anything and everything they do not like. A little leeway will not hurt MWO but I fear less just might.

Water Bear, on 22 October 2015 - 01:09 PM, said:

...Could some of this discussion be happening in private messages?

Also I am disconcerted about what sounds like a very real possibility that I will get moderated for typing "gilf" or "glhf" at the start of every round, or for having more or less unrelated conversations in game about things like Scotch whiskey.

Considering it's a new feature that more than just a few people are obviously concerned about, I think it's best placed in public eye until things settle down.

[pwnface]

Mystere, on 22 October 2015 - 01:31 PM, said:

All I am requesting is that the support and moderation teams be on the same page so that such confusing spectacles are avoided.

So much this! I remember reading a forum moderator post saying that they felt using artemis and streaks together is considered an exploit since the sped-up target lock is unintended. I find it hard to believe that all of PGI's moderation staff feels the same way.

[Mystere]

Scout Derek, on 22 October 2015 - 01:12 PM, said:

I doubt that glhf will get you moderated, it's constructive, just remember to not type in "GG" or "GGWP" at the end of a bad match, per say the 12-0 matches. People tend to get angry from it.

I really wished you did not go there.

A whole lot of people consider that online gaming's equivalent of a handshake. It is not the same as "ggclose", which most do find offensive. Now I'm going to have to force the issue.

[spectralthundr]

Mystere, on 22 October 2015 - 01:33 PM, said:

When I said "examples of moderators publicly taking opposite views on the same issue", I was referring to "hot" topics that involved the CoC. A very good example are all the periodic mega-page discussions on whether or not hiding is a legitimate tactic. Three moderators basically had the differing positions of [1] never, [2] it depends, and [3] always. Obviously, that created a whole lot of confusion as posters were quoting one of those three to bolster their positions.

And so when this came up in the latest patch notes:



You'd automatically assume that hiding is in fact allowed, given it's absence from the list. And yet ... argh!

All I am requesting is that the support and moderation teams be on the same page so that such confusing spectacles are avoided.

That and what I think is 627's moderation warning feeling like it's a little on the excessive side. There will be banter between opposing teams. It's the nature of PvP games -- online or otherwise. And there will be oversensitive ones who will report anything and everything they do not like. A little leeway will not hurt MWO but I fear less just might.



Considering it's a new feature that more than just a few people are obviously concerned about, I think it's best placed in public eye until things settle down.

I would hazard the thought that hiding should probably count for non participation in the first place really.

[Scout Derek]

pwnface, on 22 October 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

So saying GG at the end of a match is considered unconstructive? People say GG at the end of games as a sign of sportsmanship, in fact players from my unit will always GG it up even if we got slaughtered by a better team.

I find it troubling that the criteria for reportable chat falls under the over-inclusive banner of "people tend to get angry from it". If I mention the delicious ribeye that I'm eating in chat and a vegan reports me because they are mad I'm eating a steak should I expect to get moderated? I think it's important to have clearly defined rules for what is not acceptable behavior, it's a pretty slippery slope to allow people to report others because they are annoyed.

Depends on who you play, what is said within a match and how people feel about it.

Per example, someone might not be having a good day and then they get rolled in a game which you say "GG". you don't know if they'll flare up and explode are what.

That's enough for me in discussion about this... too touchy as they say.

Mystere, on 22 October 2015 - 01:37 PM, said:

I really wished you did not go there.

A whole lot of people consider that online gaming's equivalent of a handshake. It is not the same as "ggclose", which most do find offensive. Now I'm going to have to force the issue.

That's why I'm leaving this thread.


And to everyone: please don't post anymore discussion about moderation actions between the player and the GM.
Thanks!

[Mystere]

pwnface, on 22 October 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

So saying GG at the end of a match is considered unconstructive? People say GG at the end of games as a sign of sportsmanship, in fact players from my unit will always GG it up even if we got slaughtered by a better team.

I find it troubling that the criteria for reportable chat falls under the over-inclusive banner of "people tend to get angry from it". If I mention the delicious ribeye that I'm eating in chat and a vegan reports me because they are mad I'm eating a steak should I expect to get moderated? I think it's important to have clearly defined rules for what is not acceptable behavior, it's a pretty slippery slope to allow people to report others because they are annoyed.

That basically kills the "Bacon for the win!" or equivalent banter I often see at the start of matches. When that happens, it's going to be a very sad day.

[pwnface]

Scout Derek, on 22 October 2015 - 01:43 PM, said:

Depends on who you play, what is said within a match and how people feel about it.

Per example, someone might not be having a good day and then they get rolled in a game which you say "GG". you don't know if they'll flare up and explode are what.

That's enough for me in discussion about this... too touchy as they say.

Well I guess I should use my 5 reports a day every time I'm having a bad day then.

Team: "Good luck have fun everyone"
Me: "Don't tell me what to do. Reported because I'm in a bad mood and you aren't the boss of me."

"How other players feel about it" is so incredibly vague, this whole reporting business makes me very sad.

[Makenzie71]

I've seen more players upset about this reporting stuff than I have seen concerned about any other one single issue. I think that in itself should draw some attention to how the system is working.

What I propose to all who are unhappy with it: Do not contribute to the chat box...don't write anything in. Instead, use the hell out of the system. Follow the rules and report everyone who does not themselves to the letter....regardless of how petty, if it is in any way a violation of the rules then hit the button. Flood the system with reports and the system will be addressed. This is how a similar scenario was resolved in WoW Battlegrounds so the method, while sounding petty, has precedent.

[Mystere]

Scout Derek, on 22 October 2015 - 01:43 PM, said:

That's why I'm leaving this thread.

Meh! You're no fun.

[spectralthundr]

pwnface, on 22 October 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

Well I guess I should use my 5 reports a day every time I'm having a bad day then.

Team: "Good luck have fun everyone"
Me: "Don't tell me what to do. Reported because I'm in a bad mood and you aren't the boss of me."

"How other players feel about it" is so incredibly vague, this whole reporting business makes me very sad.

It's as if they felt it a good idea to inject progressive ideology into the game by reporting people simply because muh precious feels. It absolutely reeks of ridiculousness.

[Makenzie71]

Today I have noticed a total absence of chat. I've seen one "good luck" and one "gg" in six matches.

[Vellron2005]

Kilo 40, on 20 October 2015 - 12:00 AM, said:

I'm sure if you typed "brb gfriend on fire lol!" before you went AFK no one would report you.

That might be taken in an R-rated way

Although, I don't think anybody would report me for THAT either... (actually happened once with a unit 12-man, people lol'd when I told them why I went AFK suddenly... nobody minded)