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[Mavairo]

Seriously? Some of us DO NOT WANT face grinding murder fest game modes like Skirmish and WANT to play on maps like Terra therma.

I didn't mind waiting for an Assault or Conquest drop with the old ques, not even a little. Skirmis is just so...boring.

[Khobai]

you have to play skirmish on frozen city and youll like it. laz0r v0mit 4ever!!!111

[Viges]

I wish we could have more games on frozen city skirmish mode plz PGI

[Mavairo]

Khobai, on 03 November 2015 - 01:35 PM, said:

you have to play skirmish on frozen city and youll like it. laz0r v0mit 4ever!!!111

Pretty much all I dropped in today, before I logged.

If this voting thing doesn't change or isn't gotten rid of, I might just uninstall. My whale ass can go elsewhere.

[Clownwarlord]

Why do people pick Skirmish?

Well you do not have to worry about defending your base or being capped out like you when it comes to Assault. As for Conquest well then you do not have to spend the last 5 minutes trying to corner and chase down a light mech.

[Mavairo]

clownwarlord, on 03 November 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

Why do people pick Skirmish?

Well you do not have to worry about defending your base or being capped out like you when it comes to Assault. As for Conquest well then you do not have to spend the last 5 minutes trying to corner and chase down a light mech.

So basically because people have at best room temperature IQ and are too stupid to defend base, build heat efficient mechs, cap points, or break off into groups to out flank the light, we get this garbage match maker and map selector.

[Veritae]

They cannot add more interesting game modes until all players are in the same matchmaker pool. Now we can double the pug and solo queue mode options without further splintering the player base based on hard vetoes of game modes.

Please. If we want them to improve the game, we have to stop throwing tantrums when they do.

[Mavairo]

Veritae, on 03 November 2015 - 02:00 PM, said:

They cannot add more interesting game modes until all players are in the same matchmaker pool. Now we can double the pug and solo queue mode options without further splintering the player base based on hard vetoes of game modes.

Please. If we want them to improve the game, we have to stop throwing tantrums when they do.

In what reality is this an Improvement? In what reality is this going to INCREASE your gameplay variety? Everyone is and already is just voting skirmish and ice maps. That's all this game is going to be now, thanks to this system, and it won't matter what options PGI adds (VIP escort, Raiding, whatever) people are just going to select these maps, and skirmish over and over again.

[Veritae]

Mavairo, on 03 November 2015 - 01:22 PM, said:

Seriously? Some of us DO NOT WANT face grinding murder fest game modes like Skirmish and WANT to play on maps like Terra therma.

I didn't mind waiting for an Assault or Conquest drop with the old ques, not even a little. Skirmis is just so...boring.

If you want to run from point a to point b without engaging in combat with other giant stompy robots....then why are you playing a giant stompy robot combat game?

Seriously though, the best way to have less skirmish is to create MORE game modes that are diverse. The ONLY way to create more diverse game modes is to put us all in one matchmaker pool and allow a vote. You should be thanking them for this change and encouraging them to fast track the dropship assault game mode and any other new options so that skirmish has less likelihood of showing up.

[Kira Onime]

Mavairo, on 03 November 2015 - 02:04 PM, said:

In what reality is this an Improvement? In what reality is this going to INCREASE your gameplay variety? Everyone is and already is just voting skirmish and ice maps. That's all this game is going to be now, thanks to this system, and it won't matter what options PGI adds (VIP escort, Raiding, whatever) people are just going to select these maps, and skirmish over and over again.

Then that should be a clear indication that those maps and game modes need to be looked at to make them interesting.

[Ratpoison]

clownwarlord, on 03 November 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

As for Conquest well then you do not have to spend the last 5 minutes trying to corner and chase down a light mech.

That's Skirmish, not conquest.

[Veritae]

Mavairo, on 03 November 2015 - 02:04 PM, said:

In what reality is this an Improvement? In what reality is this going to INCREASE your gameplay variety? Everyone is and already is just voting skirmish and ice maps. That's all this game is going to be now, thanks to this system, and it won't matter what options PGI adds (VIP escort, Raiding, whatever) people are just going to select these maps, and skirmish over and over again.

Skirmish is only one option. There are only two mode options for voting. Right now, statistically speaking, you are guaranteed not to play skirmish on 1/3 of your matches. As they add more game modes, the chance that skirmish pops as a vote option decreases. What is hard to understand?

Kira Onime, on 03 November 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

Then that should be a clear indication that those maps and game modes need to be looked at to make them interesting.

Exactly. Assuming all maps have the same RNG chance of coming up as a vote option, which I doubt, then PGI can look at their metrics. If Frozen for instance is selected 100% of the time it comes as a vote option, they can simply reduce the odds of it being selected as an option.

This is pretty easy stuff, guys.

[Impyrium]

The only reason I don't really mind it was that the whole game-mode select thing was holding back new game modes and other improvements. I mean honestly I'd rather go back to the purely random system since now I'm not sure I'll see certain maps, but it's a mid-way.

[Mavairo]

Veritae, on 03 November 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

If you want to run from point a to point b without engaging in combat with other giant stompy robots....then why are you playing a giant stompy robot combat game?

Seriously though, the best way to have less skirmish is to create MORE game modes that are diverse. The ONLY way to create more diverse game modes is to put us all in one matchmaker pool and allow a vote. You should be thanking them for this change and encouraging them to fast track the dropship assault game mode and any other new options so that skirmish has less likelihood of showing up.

Maybe if people used their brains, you can yanno..engage in combat against said targets who are taking your stuff. This isn't going to change ONE BIT, once they add more game type options. People are too stupid to go back to defend a stationary cap point, or to press forward into the enemy base. Do you really think they are going to be smart enough to defend a moving convoy in future mission types? Or protect one specific player and mech with a VIP mode?

All but TWO of my matches today, were Skirmish. That's not a 1/3 chance to end up in Skirmish. Actually of my 20 matches, EIGHTEEN today were ALL skirmish. No matter how I voted. 14 of my matches today, were on Frozen City.

Kira Onime, on 03 November 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

Then that should be a clear indication that those maps and game modes need to be looked at to make them interesting.

The only thing "wrong" with the Not Frozen City Night maps, is that they aren't super cold meta favoring murder pits.

[Khobai]

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Skirmish is only one option. There are only two mode options for voting. Right now, statistically speaking, you are guaranteed not to play skirmish on 1/3 of your matches. As they add more game modes, the chance that skirmish pops as a vote option decreases. What is hard to understand?

Because assault is basically the same damn thing as skirmish. So conquest never gets picked.

So if the choices are conquest and skirmish... its going to be skirmish
If its conquest and assault... its going to be assault
And if its assault and skirmish... both are basically skirmish anyway

[Jabilo]

Map and game mode vote is bullshit, bring back the old system.

Edited by Jabilo, 03 November 2015 - 02:13 PM.

[Kira Onime]

Veritae, on 03 November 2015 - 02:10 PM, said:

Exactly. Assuming all maps have the same RNG chance of coming up as a vote option, which I doubt, then PGI can look at their metrics. If Frozen for instance is selected 100% of the time it comes as a vote option, they can simply reduce the odds of it being selected as an option.

This is pretty easy stuff, guys.

I'd have to look around but I believe they said the 4 random maps would be picked with their current weight % in the MM meaning...
if Terrible Therma had a 15% chance of showing up before, it still has 15% chance of being one of the 4 possible maps.


Of course with this new system the grab bag events will have to be revamped to reflect this system.

Mavairo, on 03 November 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

The only thing "wrong" with the Not Frozen City Night maps, is that they aren't super cold meta favoring murder pits.

So much wrong I don't know where to start.

[Mavairo]

Kira Onime, on 03 November 2015 - 02:15 PM, said:

I'd have to look around but I believe they said the 4 random maps would be picked with their current weight % in the MM meaning...
if Terrible Therma had a 15% chance of showing up before, it still has 15% chance of being one of the 4 possible maps.


Of course with this new system the grab bag events will have to be revamped to reflect this system.



So much wrong I don't know where to start.

The other maps are a damn sight better than they used to be. (aside from Caustic which is pretty much unchanged)
You can have your frozen city night map murder pit skirmish 24/7 festival. I'm done with this garbage until it gets fixed.

[Veritae]

Mavairo, on 03 November 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

Maybe if people used their brains, you can yanno..engage in combat against said targets who are taking your stuff. This isn't going to change ONE BIT, once they add more game type options. People are too stupid to go back to defend a stationary cap point, or to press forward into the enemy base. Do you really think they are going to be smart enough to defend a moving convoy in future mission types? Or protect one specific player and mech with a VIP mode?

All but TWO of my matches today, were Skirmish. That's not a 1/3 chance to end up in Skirmish. Actually of my 20 matches, EIGHTEEN today were ALL skirmish. No matter how I voted. 14 of my matches today, were on Frozen City.



The only thing "wrong" with the Not Frozen City Night maps, is that they aren't super cold meta favoring murder pits.

Wait. Are you saying that out of 20 matches, 18-20 of them offered skirmish as an option? That would seem to be a bug. Granted, it is still a small sample size, but you would expect only 14 or 15 of those 20 to even offer skirmish as an option. If, however, they see that skirmish is winning 100% of the vote, they could simply change the RNG to only offer it as an option in 30% of matches, and have assault and conquest get offered the other 70% of matches. See how fun math is?

[Steelmesh]

Voting for me so far...

1) Does NOT improve the speed of matchmaking, not even by a long shot..

2) Forces me to play modes I dont want

3) DOES NOT alert me when voting commences and I've alt+tabed away to do something else..

4) Does not let me play on some less favored maps like Terra Therma (which I love)

5) Feels utterly pointless..

On the upside, I like the animations they added after voting concludes..

But it does not make up for total lack of controling my game modes or the fact that matchmaking is not faster..