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#41 M3 SABLE

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 02:27 PM




I love maps that encourage me to use thermal and night vision. The combat situation you find yourself in while in special vision, feels twice as badass.

#42 Revis Volek

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 02:28 PM

View PostHit the Deck, on 05 November 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

That would not be correct. Their rewards are their own intellectual achievements which is a great boon for the humankind. Different strokes for different folks. Risk takers (pioneers etc.) or intellectuals (Tesla and friends) are just types of people who indeed constitute a small slice of the human population. Leaders are also the minority but when you think about it, everything makes sense because obviously not everyone can or should become a leader - one leader leads and all others follow. You just need to become yourself and do your job in the society!



They cared not for Monetary Rweards but the knowledge they unlocked was reward all itself to them.

Hell tesla was set to give everyone FREE WIFI ELECTRICTY but because others would loss a buck this wa stomped out.

#43 Khobai

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 02:28 PM

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Destructable Trees exisit in River City and the new Caustic....so you are jsut asking for stuff they are doing already.


except trees dont block weapons and arnt destroyed by weapons

trees are only knocked down by walking into them

so no they havent done what I asked for

#44 FupDup

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 02:29 PM

View PostKhobai, on 05 November 2015 - 02:28 PM, said:

except trees dont block weapons and arnt destroyed by weapons

trees are only knocked down by walking into them

so no they havent done what I asked for

Projectile weapons can destroy trees...but it's a waste.

#45 Khobai

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 02:31 PM

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Projectile weapons can destroy trees...but it's a waste


who uses those. you need moar lasers

#46 Deathlike

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 02:35 PM

The more silly obstructions or designs that there are... the less desirable the map happens to be.

Bog has too many things that stop your movement (let alone hit against), and Terra Therma... well... positioning and placement of the entrances to the middle are lopsided (the southern entrance is a deathtrap/killzone while the northern entrance has a chance to go two mechs wide AND has the lower ramp to get up onto the damn thing in the middle).

While some people may "claim" that hot maps are less popular.. Tourmaline bucks that trend... it does have crappy environmental hitboxes, but it actually has multiple points of attack... different variations for range and close quarters combat.

Things like this never seem to factor into PGI's thinking.

Edited by Deathlike, 05 November 2015 - 07:35 PM.


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Posted 05 November 2015 - 04:48 PM

View PostDarian DelFord, on 04 November 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:



Heaven forbid that a mech traveling 150 KPH is brought to a dead stop for hitting a pebble he can not see

Heaven forbid that a mech comes to a complete stop when they hit an invisible object out in the open of viridian Bog.



Close as realistic like to run at this speed against a wall and doesn't get hurt, or do a 180° turn on the spot...

#48 El Bandito

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 05:42 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 05 November 2015 - 07:41 AM, said:

Actually Terra Therma is hottest. 98 vs 97.


I checked Smurfy and it said 95 degrees.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...world&m=assault

#49 oldradagast

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:06 PM

Based upon the voting results seen so far, the majority of the players want a small, flat, cold arena map with zero cover (or maybe 1 rock to hide behind, but only near their spawn location) so they can effortlessly 1-shot "stupid noobs" in their laser vomit + Dual Gauss "Skill Wolf."

Then, after a rousing game of "put the pinpoint alpha on the noob," they can wander on over to the forums and whine about the lack of "role warfare" and how the game is no longer a "thinking man's shooter," even though their votes made it depressingly clear what the majority actually wants.

#50 Kjudoon

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:11 PM

I think the premise that the current gaming population is challenge averse, prefering to pretend they want challenge while calling every change and effort to make the game "press spacebar to win" some kind of "skill".

Pgi is only enabling this lazy-man's shooter to exist.

#51 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:24 PM

View PostEl Bandito, on 05 November 2015 - 05:42 PM, said:


I checked Smurfy and it said 95 degrees.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...world&m=assault

http://mwomercs.com/...urmaline-desert
http://mwomercs.com/...ps/terra-therma

#52 Deathlike

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:26 PM

It is always possible that the website info is out of date or incorrect.. since the internal game data is the only one that matters (well, assuming the server uses said written values).

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:31 PM

View PostKjudoon, on 05 November 2015 - 07:11 PM, said:

I think the premise that the current gaming population is challenge averse, prefering to pretend they want challenge while calling every change and effort to make the game "press spacebar to win" some kind of "skill".

Pgi is only enabling this lazy-man's shooter to exist.


For your consideration, look at the fiasco of CW, ruined by seal-clubbing sociopaths.

Every time any form of skill-based matchmaking was proposed to end the pointless, one-sided rolls, the tryhards yelled and screamed about how "seal-clubbing was a vital part of the high-skill CW environment and since real war isn't fair or fun, CW shouldn't be, either." They successfully got their way and were allowed to bludgeon random PUG's while trumpeting about how "skilled" they were - and now CW is effectively dead. They were allowed to run the show, and the results are clear for everyone to see... so listening to such people on the PTS or when it comes to map selection is simply not a good idea.

They are not interested in a challenge, a balanced game, or anything normal people would consider fun; they just want to be handed wins over and over again while being fed a steady stream of "noobs" and "bads" to abuse while deluding themselves about how good they are at a niche video game that they are killing.

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:33 PM

View PostDeathlike, on 05 November 2015 - 07:26 PM, said:

It is always possible that the website info is out of date or incorrect.. since the internal game data is the only one that matters (well, assuming the server uses said written values).

it's also possible for smurfy to be wrong.

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:33 PM

View PostDeathlike, on 05 November 2015 - 02:35 PM, said:

The more silly obstructions or designs that there are... the less desirable the map happens to be.

Bog has too many things that stop your movement (let alone hit again), and Terra Therma... well... positioning and placement of the entrances to the middle are lopsided (the southern entrance is a deathtrap/killzone while the northern entrance has a chance to go two mechs wide AND has the lower ramp to get up onto the damn thing in the middle).

While some people may "claim" that hot maps are less popular.. Tourmaline bucks that trend... it does have crappy environmental hitboxes, but it actually has multiple points of attack... different variations for range and close quarters combat.

Things like this never seem to factor into PGI's thinking.



hear hear pgi has failed at map making after river city redux.... and bog is a horrible horrible map.. needs to be re-worked so bad

Edited by 1Grimbane, 05 November 2015 - 07:34 PM.


#56 Surn

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:34 PM

Says the ecm soaked clanner...

#57 Kira Onime

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:34 PM

... some people on this forum could make an actual point in their arguments but they then make themselves look like complete idiots in the way they say their argument losing any kind of credibility.

Old... Kju ... Looking at you two right now.

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:35 PM

Yet more evidence the game needs both procedural and scripted single and multi player PvE to the exclusion of all other game modes.

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:45 PM

Those who are many steps ahead of the pack always look foolish.

Even i had to come to the realization that Radagast was right on many thjngs though he looked a bit loopy at that time. Besides, i dont view this game in isolation but rather through a socio-political and ethical lens. Something that eludes most players. Most commonly those at high tier who have bought into the paradigm pandered by pgi.

And i have accepted my inner grumpy cat long ago.

#60 CuriousCabbitBlue

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:50 PM

I want to set forest fires with flamers

do it now~!





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