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[Dawnstealer]

The only really disappointing thing about this is that you spelled "Hatchetman" incorrectly and the hatchet is really understated - I can't even see it! Other than that? Cool.

[DoctorDetroit]

If the Rifleman were 70 or 75 tons, it would be a great mech. At 60 tons it will be very laser dependent.

[MovinTarget]

*IF* you are considering buying this, consider going with the base package + the Legend Killer.

$15 = 3000 MC. YOU CAN'T BUY A NON-SALE HEAVY CLASS HERO FOR UNDER 4,500.

The "Rauder and the Whammer heros are even better deals in this light...

Edited by MovinTarget, 07 November 2015 - 10:42 AM.

[Lugubre]

I hope everybody buy it, in the end they need money for giving us better game.
But... PLEASE...make it look like the TRUE RIFLEMAN:
http://www.pryderock...ifleman_big.jpg

by the way do the same to the Marauder, in both cases cockpits are horribly designed, compare to the old (lore) ones:
http://www.pryderock...arauder_big.jpg

[Lbofun]

Appogee, on 06 November 2015 - 11:51 AM, said:

I have bought more than enough Mechs.

But I still don't have enough game to use them in.

No more Mech Packs for me until I see CW fixed, and more effort made in game mechanics such as the reintroduction of collisions, a PVE mode, camos for Hero Mechs, the removal of redundant Mech skill unlocks, merc and loyalist career trees, replacement of the placeholder 'no signal' images on cockpit monitors, the API to access our mech inventory outside of the game client, a major rework of ECM, fixed flamers etc.

After more than $1K spent, I'm not prepared to fund PGI further if they intend to keep putting off "finishing the game".

What Appogee said, I do not want to think of how much I have spent on this game( founders, R1 & R2, Urbie,and the countless MC )

[Zeus X]

This is now out of hand PGI.

No more money till you fix things first!

[Kinski Orlawisch]

OK I m now at 303 Mechs +19 emty Mechbays and 30 Mechs +Mechbays preordered. Riflemen not as Collectors.....I can upgrade when CW3 is out and looking good. Yes 333 Mechs altogether...352 Mechbays....Crazy....

[Arkhangel]

Lugubre, on 07 November 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

I hope everybody buy it, in the end they need money for giving us better game.
But... PLEASE...make it look like the TRUE RIFLEMAN:
http://www.pryderock...ifleman_big.jpg

by the way do the same to the Marauder, in both cases cockpits are horribly designed, compare to the old (lore) ones:
http://www.pryderock...arauder_big.jpg

You know why they can't do that. HG would ***** and try and sue.

Plus.... the visibility on both those old cockpits is horrid. ever pilot a Shadow Hawk? you have little to no peripheral vision. same problem both of those would have.

Edited by Arkhangel, 07 November 2015 - 11:15 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

ChapeL, on 06 November 2015 - 05:41 PM, said:

It the risk of being branded Heretic, should the Phoenix Hawk make an appearance, I would prefer it be inspired by the reseen version of the design rather than the original.



rather than

well you pick just about the worse old style picture, not drawn by an 8 year old. try looking at the orginal artwork in the TRO, the one the sarna uses, on the right hand side

Tank, on 07 November 2015 - 04:51 AM, said:

Come on guys, at least they are trying to make game better - look at the other game devs, won't even consider listening to you, there are ones that will forever leave their game in **** state - just because it making money and who cares and others who milking BETA until it dies that way and third that is an ALPHA and there is no game and people throw money at them.

So I rather stay with MWO. PGI your milking cow is here, where do I pour my MOOney.
P.S. Yes compare to competitors - I love PGI.

I laughed so hard I nearly pissed my self when I read this

[Navid A1]

Nightshade24, on 07 November 2015 - 04:51 AM, said:

Spoiler

No worries! The best thing about putting a response and/or opinions out is to recieve others on the same topic. That's how we filter misunderstandings, mistakes, errors, etc through the debate or conversation while also seeing good points other people raise and perhaps come to a situation where both feedback ideas are okay (or bad).

Now sorry to break your chronological order. But I will respond to the Jagermech "negatives" first- and It was a response to a person who stated the Jagermech is (practically automatically) better than the Rifleman simply because the Jagermech is made to replace the Rifleman and was newer and bigger.
So he pictured it as a direct upgrade- meant to be better in every way or equal in others... that is a lore comment stating why it should be better if not make the rifleman obselete, however my counter arguement to that claim was this isn't the case, the case was they couldn't make more rifleman and support the remaining ones due to Lostech (DHS, Endo, XL, etc) and thus had to make a cheaper alternative. If this wasn't the case the Jagermech should be the same weight if not lighter. As most direct upgrades do, If it was made to be an 'exact' replacer. However this rule does break depending on what the replacement is trying to fix (in the situation of mist lynx to arctic cheetah it was speed and armament, hard to do that with a 20 to 25 ton chassis)

So that section was targeted at the lore differences and less of the in MW: O differences. Hence the topic of XL/ Endo/ DHS and other stuff.
However I will not pretend that some people don't play mechs stock exclusively. It isn't exactly a priority of PGI, it's just an added bonus that a better stock mech came out for them.

The possitives are still possitives and you ignore the ability of people able to utilize them. Rather it be 2 large lasers and 6 mediums for the E boat, or 3 Large lasers and 5 small lasers (I can't randomly think of 100% optimised builsd of the top of my head in 1 in the morning sorry, but they are semi practical, for eg a 3 large laser meta arm up high... it's a timberwolf A but in arm form) But the E + B builds can range from anything from PPC's + AC 2's or large pulse lasers, large lasers + AC 2 or 5's, spammed med/ small lasers + AC 2/5/10's,. basically the more stereotypical energy black jacks but as a heavy. I could see it as a close range mech quite well.

The quirk hypothathis is an guess afterall, however it's an educated guess, and so far I've got quirks raltively well guesstimated in earlier mechs such as the black knight, mauler, Wolfhound, etc. to the point where I not only accurately got the quirks done but managed with that info to get a build in my head done and thus I managed to get all the builds for all the variants before smurfy done and do good with those builds in game... Hell, my predictions for the hardpoints of the rifleman are practically spot on minus the side torso weapons which I didn't really focus on but said their will be approx 2 to 4 between variants depending on the quantity in the arm. Not trying to say I am a wizard and the best at guessing- my guesstimation for the zeus is nearly wildly off as well as the panthers.... I am not one to boast for "not saying that I told you so but I told you so". however I am saying I do have a degree of merit to my claims- however as with any prediction it should not be followed like a bible as even the 'confirmed' stuff can change ranging from lenght or dimensions of the mech as well as the hardpoints. (for eg the Hero banshee originally was going to get jumpjets). So most things on this topic shouldn't be taken 100% fully.
I also should mention that even the height of the weapons can be changed... for eg look at hte mist lynx... both MG's bellow arm, all missilse above... now it's MG's and lasers all over the place and missiles on the side or bellow... no more 'semi high' missiles... or the arctic cheetahs higher-arm hardpoints... etc...




On topic of Atlas, well it was a very fearsome juggernaught for it's era and remains as not only the biggest threat to the clans in the 3050's but also one of the most sacred mechs to them. however not as sacred as the Atlas II. it was still a mech they would attempt to capture in one piece rather than obliterate . Also in some instances there is a bit of a bias in clanners to atlas pilots. however lining up what it takes to be an atlas pilot to the clan doctrine we can easily see how a commander like so would be considered a good candidate for a bondsman or to spare.

Lore aside- this reflects well in MW: O, this is one of the last mechs I would want to see under 200 meters and for me this is the only mech I can reliably throw 700 damage if I am in range and I am not being focused on by the entire enemy team and remain alive for 30 seconds. the SRM's mix AC 20 with the addition of the medium lasers is brutal. I also used the atlas for the first time clans are in MW: O as this is the only mech I can reliably kill a timberwolf as well as the go to mech when I am feeling glum in MW: O as if I get in range I'll at least do a decent ammount of damage to 'carry my weight'. However not saying this thing is OP... due to the low hardpoints and limited tube count this is bad with an XL engine, ranged weapons, etc.... dispite me saying this I got an atlas with twin PPC, gauss, and an LRM 20....However htat isn't my go to mech when I am feeling down.

I can't honestly try to tell you how you should play an atlas or to drill into your mind that it is good because no mech is good if you are not good in it, rather it be due to play style/ role not matching up or experience in it. etc. a mech you do not have fun in is often a mech you do not do well in compared to someone who is having fun in it. This is the difference between locust 1v pilots getting 600+ damage with 4 mg's and those who think 150 damage is above average for themself in it. Dispite both possibly hving the same ammount of total playtime and been around since the same time. All I can say is the atlas isn't a point and click adventure and looking up at the lore does help immerse as well as to get a feel of what this thing does best. I can't honestly say more about it's viability than this...

Fair enough!


Also, regarding the atlas. I've been piloting it for 2 years... with millions of XP in them. (in fact i had only 3 mechs in my mechbays before the clans: Atlas-D, Atlas-RS and Atlas-K (no DDC.. its a fake atlas)... heck i was steiner too for the whole time.
However, besides Atlas-S, I can see how the chassis is outclassed today with KGCs, Banshees or stalkers running around... and it saddens me. I can still ruin anyone's day in my atlases, anytime.... but it does not change the fact that it is outclassed. Also i think the timber coring me is more likely to have a "ggclose, rekt" mindset rather than respect.
So, mixing lore and and MWO is a bit illogical.

[Agent Cooper]

sorry guys but i wont be spending another penny on this game until something better than team death match comes along. And dont get me started on the CW waste of time.

[Belorion]

Keep it up pgi... Looking forward to the others.

[Dakkss]

Fractis Zero, on 07 November 2015 - 08:40 AM, said:

Simple economics. The urbanmech flew out the door at the same cost. The marauder and warhammer must have had similar success. Otherwise they would use a different package.

As far as pricing you should look at other games for costs. Warframe is probably the closest since it just pukes out new warframes while the game play has been stagnant over the time it's been around. Warframe to purchase a premium warframe, and we are talking one frame, costs in the hundreds of dollars.

So it's not a overpriced scam that costs more for less content (in comparison to previous mech packages) because other companies do it?



On a side note it's a real shame because these are some mechs I would really love to get my hands on, especially the WarHammer but I really can't justify $30 for such small rewards.

[Chados]

Back in the day in Kesmai's Multiplayer Online Battletech (EGA) I ran Marauders where possible and the Rifleman where it was a hot world drop, every time.

Now I have them both ordered. My other mechs will gather dust when they arrive. I'm happy to see them. Now all the mechs from MPBT I remember with fondness are in the game but one...the Battlemaster and Warhammer I used to fight (I did not order the WHM but look forward to fighting them in other players' hands)...the Locust and Jenner...the Shadowhawk...and the MAD and RFL I spent sooooooo many hours in, the RFL down in Benjamin on the Marches and the MAD in Raslhague space fighting Steiner. Bring in the PHX and we'll have them all in the game!

Edited by Chados, 07 November 2015 - 06:24 PM.

[MovinTarget]

Dak Darklighter, on 07 November 2015 - 06:16 PM, said:

So it's not a overpriced scam that costs more for less content (in comparison to previous mech packages) because other companies do it?



On a side note it's a real shame because these are some mechs I would really love to get my hands on, especially the WarHammer but I really can't justify $30 for such small rewards.

Your whammers cost $30? I could get the base package for $20 + 15 for the hero... all told it is not THAT horrible in comparison... considering a heavy hero mech costs at least 4500 MC, which you can't get for only $15...

The way I look at it, yeah the initial package maybe slightly more, but if you plunk down for the hero (which you can't get w/o buying the $20/$35 package) you come out pretty close to even. This is a better deal in the long run, while we are in the "early adopter" phase it doesn't seem like it, but if you miss EA then it is.

Edited by MovinTarget, 07 November 2015 - 06:43 PM.

[Nightshade24]

Navid A1, on 07 November 2015 - 11:53 AM, said:

So, mixing lore and and MWO is a bit illogical.

It is true, but everything in MW: O is based on lore and previous games.


The meta of the previous MW titles said the same (until things like ghost heat and jumpjet nerfs came in- even then it still follows through) and most of lore does have a impact on the games mechs.
Rather it be the torso twist and agility (excluding no-torso mechs. ie Jenner, Locust, cicada, Nova, etc) to things such as weapon quirks eg the VIndicator (which was one of the first mechs to be quirked excluding heroes).

Catapult is a good LRM boat in lore and canon, it's a good LRM boat in MW: O as well.
Wolfhound is more armoured than normal for a light 35 tonner, it is so in MW: O as well
Raven is a good spotter/ scout in lore, it is a good one in MW: O (however team work is needed to even use scouts effectively, no point narcing, tagging, and spotting when your team runs the other way chassing a spider)

For most my mechs- my builds are based on the canon and lore. Rather it be a stock+ build. a build from another variant of the mech. (for eg a Kitfox running a guass and twin ER mediums [Kitfox A]) and simply 'inspired' from the mechs builds/ predecessor/ upgraded version/ etc.

for eg looking at the Timberwolf IV for ideas on Timberwolf (1) builds or a mad dog II, III, or IV to inspire I builds. Or to an IS relation- Stalker II build-inspirations on the Stalker I etc. Or looking at what some custom/ solaris builds chosed to do about the stock.
That's for me that is. And most of the time it works very well and have yet to struggle with a build based or inspired on (at times loosely). however people do (at times unintentionally) do a similar thing. As most of the popular Centurion, Atlas, Kingcrab, Direwolf, executioner, mad dog, locust, Jenner- etc is very similar to another build and/or stock plused...

(made this smaller as I was just randomly fumbling around, I had poor sleep and seem to be sick atm so my head is having issues staying on topic).

The lore/ canon is the source of most things in game and it is often done with reason. The same way a catapult is best as a range LRM boat instead of a close range brawler or how a jagermech is very good at sniping.

As well as certain formations such as the Echalon to build techniques such as support weapons when having a bunch of long range weapons and such...


I'm sorry. I'm flailing on my keyboard at the momment. I can't really think right now and not producing a decent quality post... I know what I want to say but at the current momment not sure how if that makes any sense...


I am not trying to say that everything translates perfectly from table top or from lore, but a lot of things do pop into place and some parts translates well, ranging from a mechs performance and general load out/ role and stuff... Hence why I do not support 1:1 TT rules but i do not support random people suggesting it has nothing at all to do with the lore. (that's where Mechassault comes in). Debating if I should even post this flop but hey... some people post drunk... Mainly doing this for later topic of discussion.

[Nightshade24]

KodiakGW, on 07 November 2015 - 09:39 AM, said:

Wow, you spent a lot of time on that wall of text trying to justify purchasing it. I was thinking higher engine cap for survivability. It's a 60 ton mech competing in a solo PUG queue with TBRs. Max speed is 86KPH after speed tweak. I'm just saying for that amount of armor (lack of), I find speed helps survivability. What makes it unique is the high mount weapons. So it's not "like every mech." If I could move around fast (98KPH+) like I do with Quickdraws and Dragons, I would be sold on it. Or, instead if it had ECM, I also would be sold on it. Since it has neither, I'm not sold...and another wall of text is not going to convince me. So don't bother. If PGI wants to listen and bump up the engine cap, I'm just saying they may see more sales.

When I do play CW, I play with my Clan friends. So that point is moot.

Yes, because comparing a 60 ton mech (the lightest heavy) to the 75 ton Timberwolf (the heaviest heavy) is logical?

How about this: instead of requiring a huge engine for survivability- why not use the obvious profile and range to take the Timberwolf out at range?



Dragon- sure, it moves fast with an XL. but it has lower hardpoints and not as many.
Quickdraw? sure, it moves fast, but this time it isn't even a ranged mech and it does better at close range.

Rifleman? has quite high hardpoints and probable agility. If you want a Rifleman that acts 100% like a dragon than here's an idea, get the dragon. Got it already? than it's a good sign to stop whining.



[redacted]
I can not convince you into getting better in a mech you neglect to play to it's strengths and such.

Don't want it? don't get it. However I am deffintely going to enjoy playing the Rifleman.

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 11 November 2015 - 05:20 PM.
Language/unconstructive

[Commander A9]

Your interface is broken,

Your game and mode selection system deprives players of choice.

Your mechs lack proper quirks and "balance," with skilled players punished by having their mechs of choice nerfed (I know about your plans to remove arm-lock from "veteran players'" mechs).

Your Community Warfare system is boring and repetative, leaving major units leaving in droves.

...and rather than fix what's broken, you pump out more pixel mechs for real cash. Yeah, that's what makes the money...but what exactly are you doing with it?

You won't get any money from me until you fix your current build, PGI. This, I promise.

[Bloodweaver]

Dak Darklighter, on 07 November 2015 - 06:16 PM, said:

So it's not a overpriced scam that costs more for less content (in comparison to previous mech packages) because other companies do it?



On a side note it's a real shame because these are some mechs I would really love to get my hands on, especially the WarHammer but I really can't justify $30 for such small rewards.

Not to mention he used what is probably the worst possible example. I don't play Warframe now, but I did for a little while, and that game gives you WAAAAY more value for whatever amount of money you spend than MWO would ever dream of. They've also been continuously adding new content to the game - and by content I mean features, not just "mechs"(frames).

[PraetorGix]

bar10jim, on 06 November 2015 - 01:44 PM, said:

I'm not willing to play 7 games of Skirmish and 3 games of Assault in the hopes that I can play 1 game of Conquest.

Somebody forgot that a game needs to have a 'fun' aspect for all the players, not just the majority. I see no reason to give more money to a game that keeps reducing my 'fun' options.

I'd rather have longer wait times and play my preferred game mode.

Draughluin, on 06 November 2015 - 02:08 PM, said:

My problem is that like many other customers, I already have plenty of mech's to pilot, but the game modes in which to run them in are much too limited, underdeveloped and repetitive.

So much THIS. They keep throwing at us mech after mech after mech and not only do they not add new gamemodes, but they also basically remove conquest thanks to that ugly voting system.
Of course they won't even look at this thread, but I hope they will take some interest when they see their Rifleman package sales drop like a brick.