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[Crenue]

This was a really bad idea.

If they had like 20+ maps; then it could work. But I think the game mode shouldn't even be in the voting.

I keep getting the same god dam maps over and over and over again......... It just pissed me off that I just would play like crap.

So, I uninstalled the game today. I figured I just play Binding of Isaac or Fallout 4 for the next few months. Come back around march 2016 and they will have gotten rid of it or they will have enough maps to make it work.

[Grothaus]

Zudukai, i was speaking specifically about "Game Mode" voting.

As of right now, 78.52% of players in this poll, want the "Game Mode" vote REMOVED.

Im pretty sure everyone here is capable of performing basic math. So lets not argue over something so pointless.


Id also rather the maps be random. The ability to adapt to environmental factors, including heat management is what separates good pilots from great pilots. As the saying goes, "Run hot or die".

As far as my maturity is concerned. Ive attempted at least to suggest fair solutions and possible alternatives to the problems this voting system presents. Im just as concerned about the overall player population as we all are, and id rather not see anyone thrown under the bus. Im also willing to compromise on the issue for the sake of the game, what Im not willing to accept is the removal of my favorite game mode, Conquest from the game almost entirely.

In the spirit of Kerensky himself, I reserve the right of non-participation, and if need be, to leave this game and look for more enjoyable gaming experience somewhere.....amongst the stars (Steam most likely).

I hope PGI will sort this out before that happens, an official statement about our concerns would be nice to see right around now.

[Lord Auriel]

Yeah. This poll says it all. Some people say "well it's a democracy now, so vote or GTFO", but this is obviously completely stupid and I don't see why I should elaborate on this.


---> op-out: Nope, because MM quality sucks.
----> all random: way to go, because all ppl are treated equal.

Then there's the "I will NOT be forced to play a game mode" crowd, to which I only have to say: Please leave the game. Because if you can't live with some random conquest games here and there, you're ignorant and you will NEVER be happy. I hate Mordor, but if have to play on it from time to time I'm fine with it because I know that this is a necessary sacrifice to get better MM and make other people happy.

Map / mode voting is like a pig trough run. It makes you frustrated with your fellow players because THEY prevent you from getting what you like. PGI should have NEVER giventhis "power" to their playerbase, it's horrible.

Oh, and also the quality of games is plummeting. Way more stomps and nascaring and it is obviously caused by frustrated players who just stopped giving a fudge about their performance. Frustration is taking over, PGI.

[TheCharlatan]

I liked the game more before.
I like variety, and now the game has lost most of it.

[JernauM]

I like map-voting because it provides PGI with reasonably good feedback about the player-base's map preferences.

It might just be my experience, but the voting trends seem to be shifting after just a few days. Players now occasionally vote for unpopular maps, if only for the sake of variety.

I hope PGI monitors map / mode voting results for at least 3-4 weeks before making any big decisions.

[Varvar86]

Yes, there are many maps I don’t like. Yes, sometimes I tired of some gamemods. But environment adaptations skill is important, it’s CHALLENGING and IT’S FUN!!!! Good player is a player that can adapt to any situation, can manage his heat and be effective no matter what.
ROLL IT ALL BACK!!!!! PGI You killing the last challenging things in this game. I stopped playing, because it’s “skirmish HPG manifold” 80% time.

[Ian G]

I think it's a secret plan of PGI to make CW look more attractive.

Or is it really their plan?

[Lord Auriel]

JernauM, on 09 November 2015 - 05:16 AM, said:

I like map-voting because it provides PGI with reasonably good feedback about the player-base's map preferences.

Well that would have been easy without abusing the playerbase like guinea pig. It's called in-game voting system and even Wargaming have implemented that by now. You know. a little window that pops up and asks 5 minutes of your time. A thingy with checkboxes that asks you "whichf these maps do you dislike the most?" and then "What aspect about this map do you dislike?"

Way better feedback than this disaster we have right now.

[noiRaven]

Hello, my opinion map and mode voting in the form in which it is now no longer needed, it can be entered if a sufficiently large number of maps. I think it can be turned off in regular, and include, if it is an event in which you want to play certain maps. Either make the rotation of maps for each server, so as not to have to play the exact same maps throughout the evening.

[Kurvi]

This post is far enough down in the thread that it will probably never be read, but since ostensibly the main reason to include the voting system was to make things easier for matchmaking, what if we just use two modes that could be decided before looking for a game:

1) Total random.
2) Voting.

That way, those people who want to stick to the easy maps could just use voting, and those who are looking for variety could go the total random route. Sure, it might take longer to find a match in one of those queues, but hey -- that's what the community wants, right?

[Leopardo]

guys - this is good idea - to vote but - to early realized! when we have 20-30 maps this will be great! but now it must be removed! not bcoz i play frozen city all day - bcoz new players will not see all the maps...

Edited by Leopardo, 09 November 2015 - 06:12 AM.

[SoulReaver7500]

@Lord Auriel - I will not leave the game. I will fight. It is people who fight that win in the end and those who follow become sheep. Obviously, you a are a follower.

[BlackHeroe]

Freebrewer Bmore, on 08 November 2015 - 12:41 PM, said:

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Making the vote probabilistic and hidden rather than deterministic and public will help a lot.

Here's a way to improve it further: Collect that probabilistic voting info before you even start searching for the match! E.g. have a preference menu like there used to be a gamemode filter menu next to the Play Now button, only instead of having players select checkboxes for modes/maps, have them rank all modes/maps in order of preference. Then when they click Play Now, the system can match them as quickly as it currently does and then roll the dice (weighted according to the combined pre-chosen preferences of players in the match) which select the mode/map automatically, and proceed to the pre-match Ready screen without requiring more player input after clicking Play Now (so they can go grab a drink without having to wait or miss the chance to influence the vote).

thats nearly exact that what i have suggested here:
http://mwomercs.com/...17#entry4812417

Pre-drop Votes, so everyone can select preference, the match search time is faster then yet, the Voting time falls out.
The only difference is, i have suggested to apply the most voted maps. Not as percentage of all votings. but that would be also fine.

I would be happy, if you want to support my suggestion (seperate thread), and also would say your personal preferences and suggestions there.

[Hawk_eye]

Myke Pantera, on 07 November 2015 - 02:10 PM, said:

Both should stay, but with the following changes:

• Votes only determine likelyhood. As long as at least one person votes Terra Therma or Conquest there should be a 1/24% chance for Terra/Conquest to happen (provided that all players voted)
  
• Don't show the current voting status while voting is still active, to avoid snowball effects

Man, that´s a _lot_ better than my suggestion. This, a thousand times this!

[Lord Auriel]

SoulReaver7500, on 09 November 2015 - 07:58 AM, said:

@Lord Auriel - I will not leave the game. I will fight. It is people who fight that win in the end and those who follow become sheep. Obviously, you a are a follower.

Honestly I don't understand what you're trying to say here

I won't "leave the game" either because it's a goddamn fine piece of a mecha-bt-shooter-sim-thingy, but at the moment it's like someone has ripped out 90% of the fun and replaced it with the sound of crickets on my unit's teamspeak server

[wicm]

This system just adds a vote to the map selection I can deal with that, while I prefer random to test my skills, its fine. As for mode selection we already had a vote,by selecting what modes we wont play. I once railed at the conquest users, but now I feel sorry for them. Now they seem not to have a vote, at least one that counts.

[Aedwynn]

with a total of 75% against new system in one form or other, I guess answer is clear. new voting system is a failure.
I tried it, found it too repetitive and limiting choices more than ever, so I am not playing game at all right now and won't until situation is resolved. Depending on how it is resolved, I will consider if I ever put any money in that game. Right now I feel like moving on to other titles, that's how bad of a patch it is. At least for me.
It is PGI punishment time for me, no money for you guys in near future because you rolled that **** out without even testing it.

Edited by Aedwynn, 09 November 2015 - 11:10 AM.

[Warchild Corsair]

Not voting, missing an option "It could stay if it was slightly changed", like a predetermined game mode and a map selection of 2 maps.

[Shismar]

I am sick of Skirmish but it is at least 80% of the matches that I get. Not to mention that my favorite game mode is Conquest. So I used to have Conquest and Assault selected and it worked out o.k.

Map selection I don't mind. I did see all maps over the weekend and am happy that very few of those matches were on Therma or Caustic.

So, my choice, map selection stays, mode selection goes. If the voting screen would stay on a couple seconds longer, voting would be more relevant too.

[p4r4g0n]

noiRaven, on 09 November 2015 - 05:54 AM, said:

Hello, my opinion map and mode voting in the form in which it is now no longer needed, it can be entered if a sufficiently large number of maps. I think it can be turned off in regular, and include, if it is an event in which you want to play certain maps. Either make the rotation of maps for each server, so as not to have to play the exact same maps throughout the evening.

Merciful God, NOoooo!!! Not another RNG map event .... after the last fiasco, anything that even remotely similar to that sends shivers down my spine.

Incidentally, I assume you are aware that even if the servers are programmed so that all maps are used in rotation, it does not mean that you will actually play an equal distribution of maps in a specific period since there are multiple physical servers that generate multiple virtual servers (i.e. one per match) located in multiple locations.