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[GryHwk]

Rejarial Galatan, on 19 November 2015 - 08:39 PM, said:

GryHwk they will sure as hell notice when the poison they have injected into this games veins spills into the steam folks. They will notice as the numbers of people falls away at a faster and faster pace. They will notice when they suddenly are making less and less money from us. Then they will ask: what happened, why did they leave? Then they will see the endless threads and posts and pms and other replies on other media forms and go: why the hell didnt we listen? They may be being deliberately ignorant right now, but, mark me and mark me now, they will figure it out, perhaps soon enough to salvage the game, but most likely after it is no longer profitable.

We can only hope they wake up before the exodus, sighs....we can only hope....

[Christopher Hamilton]

voting plain sucks. i get dragged into conquest with my AC20 urbie too much. thats downright dive for the PSR. no way. i HATE conquest, even with locusts. i do not want to go conquest. ever. it just plain sucks, especially with PUGs.

also, never have terror therma or vicious bog anytime lately. why oh why ?

Edited by Christopher Hamilton, 20 November 2015 - 12:52 PM.

[Tuis Ryche]

Rejarial Galatan, on 18 November 2015 - 10:36 PM, said:

its this simple. voting is causing a toxic and very poisonous rift among the player base. deny it all you like, but the fact remains, we HAD a system that WORKED. We could choose what modes we wanted to play and opt out of what we did not. NOW, we are FORCED to play modes we do not.

How are we forced you ask? Why not go to CW you ask? Glad you asked. Heres the thing. CW match making takes a long while, ive seen it take 2 HOURS to make a match. SO, in order to play we must slog our way through the so called instant action option. This really used to be a gem. but now, its not. Now, its a caustic, venomous pit filled with people who basically stopped given 2 whits about how they play when a map and or mode end up getting selected.

This COULD have and USED to be dealt with by just standing there doing nothing, running out of bounds or deliberately overheating your own mech or just disconnecting from the match, grabbing a back up mech and trying again. NOW, with these asinine punishments, such as being forced to wait LONGER for matches to being either suspended to even removed from this community entirely, its caused a climate of: welp, lets just run in blindly and go die just to get this over with" mentality. This is frankly harming everyone.

This is not showing trust or faith in the clients but turning this into a dystopia where people are doing the bare minimum to hang just inside the rules in hopes things will change. With the up coming launch on steam, things are going to go down hill fast. players will come in and join either the "voting is wonderful, it gets me all the skirmish i could ever want and cold maps too!" camp or the "id rather wage a tactical war over cap points, be them just that, cap points or bases" camp. Yes, I just boiled it down to that, because thats what this is all about.

Usually those who say voting works are the ones who always skirmish with no regard to the mode <usually the call of duty camp honestly> couldnt give less of a rats backside as this has NOT affected them unless the once in a dogs age conquest or assault some how gets selected.

Look, the short of it is: this voting thing is NOT working, and its about to get worse when steam shows up. This will honestly break MWO when people see that we only have the illusion of choice and are faced with near total dictatorship rules when a mode you hate or a map or both show up and are faced to slog through it with the bare minimum of effort or effs given.

didnt want to read all that? let me boil it down: voting is breaking this game, it MUST, it HAS TO GO.

All of this. Being locked into game modes I don't want to play is *not* fun. Incentivization, not compulsion. Make the mode better, not mandatory, and I might play it.

Add to this the clicky report system where if one dies too soon or not soon enough, the vindictives will just click report without the trouble of actually needing to explain what's going on.

I'm also sure others appreciate the unwilling being dumped into their favorite modes, too. Makes for "fun times", I'm sure.

And you want me to *pay* you for this?

Peh.

[ClannerJake]

all i see is self-justified complaining, "make me happy or else". i hope you all feel better that things cost money and people are making choices, because most of this is nonconstructive nonsense.

[Tuis Ryche]

Maybe you're happy with your chains, or you don't see them as chains because you don't care which mode you play. That's cool. Under the previous system you could check all 3 boxes whereas others, like me and the other "self-justified complainers", could be more selective and only check one or two modes to drop in. Though I hate the new Caustic with a passion, I'd deal with it because it only showed up sporadically in a random map system.

Now, however, those of us who only prefer one mode or detest one mode find ourselves lumped into it in 30-60% of our matches. That is not fun. It's aggravating. It's not something we should be expected to pay for. On top of it, the usual routes of "escape" from these unwanted modes are subject to two-click auto-sanctions.

This is, supposedly, in response to long matchmaking times, generally a function of low population in the 3 mode "buckets". However, instead of improving the modes to make them more attractive to players current and prospective, they took this half-assed vote approach and tossed us all in one bucket. However, from this person's perspective, matchmaking is taking just as long but with added time for this aggravating vote system. How many people who, for whatever reason, liked their selected mode(s) has PGI lost. That loss ends up affecting their matchmaking, too.

Make me a better game and I'll give them money. Force me into unfun and unfinished modes simply to try to crank out matches faster for the powergamers and I won't. Dangling shiny new mech toys isn't going to pry my wallet open anymore either, hence the cancelled Origins order.

[Grugore]

I would really love to know why we can't simply choose which map and game mode we want.

P.S. when the new Battle tech game is released, I'll be leaving MWO. PGI has managed to take one of my favorite games and completely screw it up. I'm a founder, and I really hate this game sometimes. I only play it because there are no other battletech/Mechwarrior games to play.

Edited by Grugore, 20 November 2015 - 09:45 PM.

[Mustang]

Wakeup PGI , at least let us know your listening . This is a game this is suppose to be fun I'm quite sure there are people who love conquest please let them enjoy conquest without dragging me into it and vice versa I like skirm and assault let me enjoy it without dragging them into my modes . The last few drops I've done I dropped in a fast light to play conquest , but surprise surprise what mode should I get skirm lol , then I dropped in a mech I need to lvl up a Cat K2 (without even having completing the basic efficiencies yet) and what do I get, I get conquest and I get over run and I get squashed so you know that's real fun . I've got about 4 days of premium left and will hold off on wasting my banked time in hopes of you guys WAKING UP and start smelling the coffee you got brewing here . I understand your efforts and appreciate you trying to evolve and make the game better but some things only needed a slight tweak not major overhaul . If nothing else give us a 5 second opt out of game option

[Lipster]

We will deal with a little extra time it may takes to get into matches. But I don't want to play Conquest UNLESS I WANT TO PLAY CONQUEST. You can randomly pick the maps is fine for variety. I have quietly dealt with all sorts of problems with the game but I have to speak out because you are ruining my experience. I don't know what else to say PGI, but as a Founder you're not getting any more of my money till you get rid of voting.

[Bad Karma 989]

The butthurt is strong.
Welcome to democracy kids.

[ClannerJake]

Bad Karma 989, on 21 November 2015 - 02:08 AM, said:

The butthurt is strong.
Welcome to democracy kids.

and i got mocked and rocked when i suggested that.

ClannerJake, on 20 November 2015 - 04:40 PM, said:

all i see is self-justified complaining, "make me happy or else".

Tuis Ryche, on 20 November 2015 - 05:55 PM, said:

Make me a better game and I'll give them money.

what is clear is that people are just raging as per the norm. i've bought a lot of slots, and a single mech. yet i do not rage but for lag or connection issues; and as far as i'm concerned this isn't even a mechwarrior game, it's world of tanks with mechskins. what people have to realize is that they're Dogs to ANY scheme that runs on money and that you damn well better accept whatever kibble they have deemed to put out or starve. barking, over and over and over and over and over and over, is just as tedious are reading the suggestion that you're doing just that and these fools run a kennel and you should just get a bark abuse syndrome before they responded to your, as it was termed, "butthurt".

so what i see hasn't changed, you're all self-justified "make me happy or else" and you wag your cash at them, like a lack of funds will improve the game, or you make a loud noise and rant, like they listen to that or even have the time to more then glance at the subject.

now if all of you want to be constructive, (as i have suggested in past rage denial subjects) i suggest you form a coalition of yappers and goto them and ask what the cost of these features will be, come back, post that cost and sign up a "go fund me" or some other nonsense and try to attract the necessary support from this wide base of like minded dopes you think exist to want the same things as you. however, it is unwise to assume that things do not cost cash and not only could they hope to but that you should be placated to just because you've developed some mental complex. the customer isn't always right, nor is your money.

to me, that would be constructive; coming to the forums and backslapping agreement and making resistance out to be the bad guys who'r in the pockets of the evil overlords is just cry-wolfing and self-justified nonsense. but you're all entitled to your opinion if that's what you need to hear not to feel you have to attack the supreme threat of non-agreeance.

[FinnMcKool]

You know what?
Why do you think your so much better?
I see you judging and flaming, And what do you get out of it? (Self righteousness)
If complaining makes the game better for all , what is wrong with that?
Its clear for anyone with a mind what this issue is doing, (Many have just stopped playing)
But maybe you think your SOOO much better than Anyone else?
Why ?
Maybe you enjoy spoiling others fun?
Maybe you enjoy making others do what you want them to?
Maybe you just think your better anyway?
Maybe you really dont care about the game?
Maybe you dont even play?
Maybe you will stop playing in a week or 2?
ect.
ect.
ect

[Rejarial Galatan]

Grugore new battle tech game?

[EightBitKnight]

Yup new one is being kick started. Like many I'm done with MWO when it comes out. Not a threat just the honest truth. Right now I'm loving WoT more then this game. It feels like the game MWO wanted to be. People help each other out, assists mean something, radar detection is dependent on what chassis your driving, and repair/rearm is in place to make earning money feel like something. I'm not saying it doesn't have it flaws and MWO does do somethings better but I'm done with this game for while, before it ruins my love for Mechwarrior.

Warning mini rant

I don't want people playing everything like skrimish. Give me back real game verity with modes that play out differently and mechs that have real roles like scouting and long range fire support. Give reasons to care about team mates. Make this a tactical game again not run and gun. Why does a TANK game feel more like Mechwarrior?

Edit for clarity (was on work break)

Edited by EightBitKnight, 22 November 2015 - 01:05 AM.

[LiGhtningFF13]

I'm also for the removal of the current voting system. It was definately more fun without any knowledge of the upcoming map.
With this voting system you can also remove some maps or even game modes, so at the end wasted development time.

[Thegreywolf]

logging in to see if there may have been an emergency patch today to get rid of the voting system didn't see it so i'm not even gonna waste my time right click delete time to try hawken there already on steam i think.

[Jabilo]

Full disclosue, I wrote a "quit" thread when game mode voting was introduced and duly uninstalled.

I reinstalled with the last patch to see if the voting changes would improve my experience. I wanted to make an informed decision and felt that it was okay to come back as the mechanic had been tweaked.

Well the results are in:

I STILL HATE GAME MODE VOTING.

Remove game mode voting let players choose the game mode they want!

I will quite happily watch You Tube for 2 mins while waiting for a conquest game. If I want quicker match making then I can CHOOSE to opt in for more popular match making modes.

If I am cool waiting another minute to play the game mode I prefer then I can CHOOSE to do this. It's so easy.

If you are worried about new players then have a box pop up when you deselect a mode saying "warning, opting out of certain game modes and servers may increase wait times".

I get the feeling that voting will stay because Russ will never admit that dev time was spent on a feature that was a failure and people hate. For his pride this awful decision will stand.

I may play the odd game just because of the emotional and financial investment I have in the game makes it so hard to say goodbye - but it will be once in a blue moon and I cannnot see myself every spending real money again.

I have about 50 million C Bills and most mechs in the game so the only reason to drop real money is to support the game and I am just not in a happy place with it right now.

My friend used to play MWO and was an officer in a heavily participating unit. He left a while ago and last night we played Heroes of the Storm. Normally I would have had a happy Saturday night levelling some mechs.

In the grand scheme of things PGI may say "we will swop 10 old jaded whiny players for 100 new players - that's fine", but I think they may regeret it.

Most people who love Battletech already know and have tried the game. These people are the whales. New players can not be relied upon to stay and to pay because they will move on to the next big thing. For example Overwatch is in BETA right now (huge Blizzard shooter).

Would a new Steam player ever give enough of a **** about this game to make such a long post? I doubt it.

I hope they do not regret this decision and I would say, respectfully, please bring back game mode selection.

Edited by Jabilo, 22 November 2015 - 06:54 AM.

[GryHwk]

Well, what gets me is this....after all this time since the new voting system was injected...and after the so called "upgrade" to the voting system.....(which looks like it was pre-planned to be injected before any feedback was out)...that no one in PGI has been given a heads up of whats going on in this forum. Someone should have noticed and calls 'someone' saying.."Hey we have a problem"...... and you would think 'someone' would have put out 'something' by now to alleviate our concerns...or at least tell us that they are planning to look into it or....something.... but what do we get instead?.... we get, " 4 New Performance Pack Bundles in the Gift Store" and "Updates On Steam Launch Party"...... shrugs... you have Founders complaining... possibly leaving because of this and no one in PGI is even giving their longest and most loyal customer base anything that they are even looking into it....just letting everything flop in the wind... shrugs... they are just giving us more reason to........leave. I have no idea of what they are doing or planning ..or what... but...from what I see....non of it looks good. Shrugs..maybe they are going to go into bankruptcy and just don't give a flying crap?.....Hey ..they are leaving it up to us to come up with reason..... they sure as hell don't care about giving us one.... Thank you PGI for supporting your customers..... Ok..now its time for all you out there who don't like what I said to tell me what a piece of crap I am.....have fun...

[FinnMcKool]

Has ANY DEV. been on the forums at all to address this , or defend it ? or give any explanation or anything?

ANYTHING ?

any word ?
is there a real reason (IM not talking about players making excuses for the DEVS) and no there wont be any rewards for those that do that.

[Ironwithin]

Rejarial Galatan, on 21 November 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

Grugore new battle tech game?

https://www.kickstar...ined/battletech

Turn-based, tactical combat game, estimated release is May 2017.

[TitaniumWolf]

its the weekend lets see what monday brings us. i know they are watching this thread in hopes it goes away but the reality is
they destroyed the game by doing the voting.

i understand the point of not having map picking then people will have setup mechs for that terrain and it will be hard to beat them however i think a possible solution to this issue would be
Merc missions pick the map give it a high MC bonus and try to unseat the occupying unit. let the unit that wins stay in the map until a group unseats them. the more wins they get the better xp and bonuses they receive or possible scavenger rights to blown up mech parts. if you have a mech that can use the upgrade the team roll son the part and the high roll wins it.

if you accept the contract you can do it in multiple ways if you lose what ever part of your mech is not destoyed such as weapons and modules they can be picked up by the occupying team. in return if you win you get high mc bonus for unseating the occupying unit. hence being a merc.

id pay to get into these types of games start out and have a 50k cbills 100k cbills and so on for each contract the higher the contract the better the occupying unit is that's there.

we can decide if we want to give up salvage rights to our mech parts (just 1 is lost by the way not all)

just an idea here id like to see the voting go away it really sux but i wouldnt mind being a merc with contracts to win or lose cbills and salvage rights
that would be a great mode to have any ideas on this?