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[Jarl Dane]

Here is an idea.
I am just floating it out there though, seeing how people feel about it.

What IF:

We invited everyone in the FRR Hub into a single unit - lets say the RKA one, for the event? ISEN, 2323, MJ12, SoR, 1stH, SO, RH, etc.

This way we'd all win. Instead of competing with each other, we'd all be working together for the FRR and for each other.

[Alfonso McQuirko]

Sounds good... lets talk to the embassasdors!

[Jarl Dane]

It'll be good for the guys not in units or in very small units.

However it'll take an ego shot to all larger teams involved. I am sure many of them are gearing up to get 1st, 2nd or 3rd and proudly display their units logo at the top of the list. There are certainly guys in my own unit who wouldn't be happy if we did this.

Lots of pride and ego would have be subsumed to make this work and I'm not really sure it'll be possible. If the majority of the larger units opt out.. it probably wont be feasible.

[Appogee]

Sounds like gaming the system in order to artificially inflate your individual standings.

Is it worth it?

[Val_Z]

It's a computer game. Of course we are all gaming. It's what people do to relax and wind down for a bit each night.

I guess it shouldn't surprise me when a post made to a specific sub set of players in the appropriate forum has a post in it from someone who is not the target audience giving there opinion about which no f***s are really given by said concerned players.

But it still does, lol.

[Valdherre Tor]

I like this idea. I'm sure Lord Creston would be down.

[Jet Black Dog]

Mech, I don't think that's a bad idea at all....
I was trying to get the boys - the Reserves back home in time , but...
That leads to my concern/caveat - from getting people into the reserves units, they often had to break a contract - with the same faction - and that cost was high for newer players, but worse- even for the same faction- incurred a three day wait period ( cool down ). Befuddling.
Then, another 3 day minimum cooldown after tukyaid, to get back to the units.
Not insurmountable, but worth considering.

Edited by Mercier, 03 December 2015 - 12:04 AM.

[Cyrilis]

Hello, fellow Space Vikings!

I like the idea, but:

Appogee, on 02 December 2015 - 10:27 PM, said:

Sounds like gaming the system in order to artificially inflate your individual standings.

Is it worth it?

He has some point. This is exactly what a big, well known mercenary unit (that currently owns 166 planet) does. Winning, just by the numbers. And in my opinion is the reason there are, well, how to say... 'conflicting' thoughts about them.

I agree with Mech the Dane but there should be some additional conditions clarified:

1) Only FRR Loyalist units are allowed to paricipate
2) this must not be continued after Tukayyid II

Edited by Cyrilis, 03 December 2015 - 03:20 AM.

[Appogee]

GHoppa, on 02 December 2015 - 11:07 PM, said:

I guess it shouldn't surprise me when a post made to a specific sub set of players in the appropriate forum has a post in it from someone who is not the target audience giving there opinion about which no f***s are really given by said concerned players.

If you don't value your team's reputation and credibility, then I agree you should not give a f*** about someone else's opinion.

Edited by Appogee, 03 December 2015 - 04:14 AM.

[Jarl Dane]

It's kind of hard to do on such short notice. And, it depends on the response from larger units. I'm not actually totally sold on it, a part of me really would like to see how well the ISEN can do on their own. However, it is just so reasonable I cannot ignore it. It wasn't actually my idea, but I will endorse it.

Appogee, on 02 December 2015 - 10:27 PM, said:

Sounds like gaming the system in order to artificially inflate your individual standings.

Is it worth it?

Uh. That doesn't make any sense. lol. This does the opposite of the inflating individual standings. It destroys them. 2323, who posted above, probably has a good shot at getting 1st or 2nd in this event. Their individual unit standing would be pretty impressive if they went it alone. But if they joined up with the RKA their standings would be washed out. Along with ISEN, along with anyone else who joined in.

Rather then inflating any INDIVIDUAL unit or person's standings - this instead allows everyone to be successful and get something out of this event. This allows the small units and lone wolves who wouldn't have a chance, to make it in the top 3, a spot in the top 3!

So yeah, some big units will take an ego hit. But it promotes an environment and play style that gives everyone else a strong chance to win.

Appogee, on 03 December 2015 - 04:13 AM, said:

If you don't value your team's reputation and credibility, then I agree you should not give a f*** about someone else's opinion.

When the vikings raided England, they didn't give a sh1t what the English thought. The FRR has a strong and unique community and if we can come together as a community to make this event one that can be successful for everyone involved. Then I think that is a great thing. It is unfortunate that you think it is gaming the system or that you find it offensive or that you think it would hurt people's "rep". But that is your problem not ours.

It isn't against any rule, nor does it even invallidate the spirit of the FRR or CW (ALL THE FRR UNITS BANDED TOGETHER TO FIGHT THE CLANS, OMG HOW COULD THEY!)
Yeah, Community is OP. Sorry, I think our common ancestors from 100,000 years ago figured that out though. You might even call it meta

Cyrilis, on 03 December 2015 - 03:18 AM, said:

I agree with Mech the Dane but there should be some additional conditions clarified:

1) Only FRR Loyalist units are allowed to paricipate
2) this must not be continued after Tukayyid II

I don't think there is any reason for units to remain in the Super-Unit after the event. I know ISEN has no plans to.

Edited by Mech The Dane, 03 December 2015 - 09:13 AM.

[old man odin]

Appogee, on 03 December 2015 - 04:13 AM, said:

If you don't value your team's reputation and credibility, then I agree you should not give a f*** about someone else's opinion.

lol you're that guy who keeps pulling sub-1000 damage CW games and crying about the team. If you're the kind of person who is going to think less of anyone participating I'd call that a bonus.

Edited by Odins Steed, 03 December 2015 - 09:23 AM.

[Alec Braca]

I have a question. This is in general and not directed at certain large mercenary units. Does clicking on a loyalty button make a unit loyal to the FRR? Does staying in the faction forever make the unit loyalist even though there is no canon Kungsarme game option? PGI sees us ALL as mercenaries and we all are mercs. Also, do you think that fighting abroad against the enemies of the FRR make a person "disloyal." If this is true then every unit outside their country in the world is disloyal right?

Thoughts?

It is going to be an epic **** storm over then next couple of days but I kinda like the idea of combining everyone into the RKA as one faction with sub units (being SO, 1stH, 1COG etc etc) We would most likely get #1 faction and #1 unit. I will also be damned if they give us another "Defeat on Tukayyid Banner." That is one giant **** you to put in your cockpit. I think the FRR is a strong community that has seen more action and CW than any other IS house.

Regardless I still think it should be voted on by at least the unit CO's and XO's quickly before the match starts.


To victory or Valhalla!

Edited by Alec Braca, 03 December 2015 - 09:30 AM.

[Jarl Dane]

The RKA itself requires member-units be part of the FRR 50% of the time. That is on par with my opinion.

[Alec Braca]

Mech The Dane, on 03 December 2015 - 09:41 AM, said:

The RKA itself requires member-units be part of the FRR 50% of the time. That is on par with my opinion.

Thank you for the input. I appreciate it.

[Appogee]

Odins Steed, on 03 December 2015 - 09:20 AM, said:

lol you're that guy who keeps pulling sub-1000 damage CW games and crying about the team. If you're the kind of person who is going to think less of anyone participating I'd call that a bonus.

Nope. I'm the guy who posted a sub 1000 damage match in a single match that you were in ... in quite unusual circumstances.

In fact, when I realised what had happened in that one match, I posted a thread about it in the CW forums, hoping you and the other players would see it, realise what had happened, and perhaps even see some humor in it.

Edited by Appogee, 03 December 2015 - 10:11 AM.

[BSK]

Or you guys join us, like I already offered here: http://mwomercs.com/...e-here-to-help/

As we are a founder only unit, you guys will all be kicked out after the event and no one can complain ..

[Jarl Dane]

I don't think anyone is going to be joining BSK..

[chimmy]

BSK, on 03 December 2015 - 11:26 AM, said:

Or you guys join us, like I already offered here: http://mwomercs.com/...e-here-to-help/

As we are a founder only unit, you guys will all be kicked out after the event and no one can complain ..

I don't think there's any more of a pretentious way to run a unit unless you made one where all members must be earning more than 500k a year IRL.

[BSK]

chimmy, on 03 December 2015 - 11:56 AM, said:

I don't think there's any more of a pretentious way to run a unit unless you made one where all members must be earning more than 500k a year IRL.

Really? Founder made this game happen, because they did not care about jumpsniping, balancing, or fancy cockpit items. But because they played the tabletop or previous computer versions as kids and had no doubt they would love this version.

And btw there is a more pretentious way, a unit full of pilots that own a golden mech, it was called "Golden Elite" ..

Mech The Dane, on 03 December 2015 - 11:52 AM, said:

I don't think anyone is going to be joining BSK..

We still want to offer the opportunity. We know there are many stubborn irregulars in this faction. Since we came here there wasnt one drop without at least one player from a different unit who generally refused any kind of coordination and communication although our unit deployed the majority. We don't care. We prefer to fight our enemies, not our teammates. And if we all find a way to work together, then this faction does have a chance to play an important role.

[chimmy]

BSK, on 03 December 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

Really? Founder made this game happen, because they did not care about jumpsniping, balancing, or fancy cockpit items. But because they played the tabletop or previous computer versions as kids and had no doubt they would love this version.

And btw there is a more pretentious way, a unit full of pilots that own a golden mech, it was called "Golden Elite" ..

Just because there is a unit that is even more pretentious than yours does not make BSK any less pretentious. I am not downing founders, I am saying that having what is essentially a founders only club is pretentious as ****. Just because now you are offering to let us non-founder plebs play with you guys for a limited amount of time does not really make it any better either. Also, are you insinuating that I and everyone else who did not put in money upfront to become a founder do not have a love for BT as it was before? because that is really not helping your image here.