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[CygnusX7]

Not towards anyone in particular but thanks to the _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ who are making us all out to be _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _.
I completely enjoy the game and have rather mediocre expectations of it since a lot of the games from my childhood were pixelated shapes bouncing back and forth on the screen with midi based beep noises for immersion.

High promises with less than stellar results aside, this game is amazing.

Edited by CygnusX7, 08 December 2015 - 08:02 AM.

[Coolant]

I never felt lied to even though I'm a Legendary Founder, cause some of us play MWO because of previous titles in the franchise. I was never into the lore and MWO was the next game in line with better graphics. I was just happy to continue playing Mechwarrior. For those of us that love MW (not Tabletop), imagine no Mechwarrior, and that's what we would have had if not for PGI and MWO.

If you still play the game then you are, at the very least, investing time in the game. So unless you are a masochist and only playing MWO for pain, then you should be doing everything in your power to encourage Steam players to try the game - for obvious reasons, development money to improve it.

Edited by Coolant, 08 December 2015 - 08:13 AM.

[Kalimaster]

If some people enjoy playing Mechwarrior, why are they intent on destroying the game. Backwards thinking if you ask me. "Hey I just got a new truck with everything I like installed in it. I think I'll go drive it into a tree.".

[TLBFestus]

The OP really doesn't seem able to take criticism very well.

I understand you are trying to build up a youtube following while white knighting the heck out of your vision of just how good the game is, I really do. Good on ya mate. I hope you find your disciples, I've watched your videos and I'm simply not impressed with your opinion on the game and how "CS:GO" players will find it an easy transition and will shortly after joining will dominate the game if they watch your video.

As for your introduction video to the game, it's ok. Nothing ground breaking, nothing exceptional, just meh. That's my opinion and I know you will respect it as much as I respect yours.

[El Bandito]

Kalimaster, on 08 December 2015 - 08:15 AM, said:

If some people enjoy playing Mechwarrior, why are they intent on destroying the game. Backwards thinking if you ask me. "Hey I just got a new truck with everything I like installed in it. I think I'll go drive it into a tree.".

Most likely they want this particular game to fail and have a different company to pick up the IP.

Edited by El Bandito, 08 December 2015 - 08:22 AM.

[Mister Blastman]

El Bandito, on 08 December 2015 - 07:51 AM, said:

And that's a good thing. They are generally too old to know how to DDoS PGI's crappy servers.

Anyone who does that should spend time in jail.

[Almond Brown]

Wintersdark, on 08 December 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

Sure. But this happened years ago now. They can stop being children -literally or figuratively, and either make due or just move on. To just linger this long to spread hate is pathetic. The game is what it is, and isn't what it isn't. That old salt is useless.

You will never get the "Islanders" to stop their Hate. They feel disenfranchised and will never forgive PGI for such betrayal of their ONE and only true love in life. BT. They are simply pathetic and thier Salt endures.

[Almond Brown]

Ronyn, on 08 December 2015 - 07:27 AM, said:

Well, PGI has a track record for hiding away bad comments on these forums. The Steam forums allow players that have been censored a way to voice their concerns about a game that they once backed and believed in and have been slighted on.

LOL! Slighted by a video game company? Really. Can you hear yourself and the pettiness you portray? Time to move on then. HBS is looking for some Salty's, best get your Seat now. Wouldn't want to miss out on the front row when they start to Lie and slight their followers as well. [redacted]. Now we know. They grow up on Video Game Forums.

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 09 December 2015 - 04:11 PM.
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[Almond Brown]

El Bandito, on 08 December 2015 - 08:21 AM, said:

Most likely they want this particular game to fail and have a different company to pick up the IP.

Last time that happened it took 10 years. Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it and take everyone else with them to no MW hell. LOL!

[TWIAFU]

Duke Nedo, on 08 December 2015 - 05:32 AM, said:

Yeah, I also got a bit disturbed by reading the "sabotage" attempts on the steam forum. How butthurt can one be? To me it just looks like naive kids who had unrealistic expectations and then feel personally betrayed by PGI because obviously they produced a bad game just to insult them in person. That's clearly how the world works, jeez.

Help make the game better if you want it to become better, or just away if you don't like it.

Funny thing Duke, the haters on Steam, did not even change names, or if they did not enough for current MWO players to recognize them!

Even the very content of some of the hate posts is funny, you can tell they have not been playing in a very long time.

Having so much fun with them...

[DivineEvil]

I don't care much. Look at the situation with Fallout 4. It's a very good game with decent balance of the components, that is a great leap forward compared to previous renditions, that gives a great game-play experience. Yet, Steam community is filled with negative reviews from broken-minded people, most of which didn't even landed a step from the Vault, or whose argumentation is obviously ******** from beginning to the end.

Haters and trolls are everywhere. Those people instinctively crave for attention, and thus only present if there's something worth that attention. Reasonable players know that well enough, and reasonable players is what MWO needs the most. Conflicts between trolls and gamers do not affect the game's success nearly as much as you might think.

Edited by DivineEvil, 08 December 2015 - 08:52 AM.

[Duke Nedo]

El Bandito, on 08 December 2015 - 06:53 AM, said:

To be fair, PGI's promise of the game to the Founders was a very different and much more intricate concept than what we have now. Starting with the skill tree, and then CW... there were ample times to make a lot of BT universe fans feel hurt.

Yeah, I can see that some people had higher expectations, but there's also something about being naive enough to expect PGI to pull an AAA title out of their hat because you bought a founders package. Perhaps I'm a cynic or something, but when I back a kickstarter for a game I consider that I am buying a lottery ticket.

[Escef]

Envisage, on 08 December 2015 - 05:27 AM, said:

I love that it's going to steam, but the community seems intent on burying this game in salt.

The people you are talking about aren't even part of the community anymore, for the most part. They don't play. Many have been banned. They're [surats] that have done everything they can to crap all over the game for a long time. One of them stands out as having declared MWO "dead" over 2 years ago. ANd yet he still sees fit to trash talk the game. I mean, if he was anywhere near correct, the game wouldn't be here for him to crap on in the first place.

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 09 December 2015 - 04:12 PM.
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[Phlinger]

Almond Brown, on 08 December 2015 - 08:36 AM, said:

LOL! Slighted by a video game company? Really. Can you hear yourself and the pettiness you portray? Time to move on then. HBS is looking for some Salty's, best get your Seat now. Wouldn't want to miss out on the front row when they start to Lie and slight their followers as well. And we wonder where all those cultist who commit mass suicide come from ffs. Now we know. They grow up on Video Game Forums.

Huh? I'm not one of those guys, I just understand where they are coming from. How about being less on the defensive [redacted]?

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 09 December 2015 - 04:13 PM.
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[Raggedyman]

El Bandito, on 08 December 2015 - 06:53 AM, said:

To be fair, PGI's promise of the game to the Founders was a very different and much more intricate concept than what we have now. Starting with the skill tree, and then CW... there were ample times to make a lot of BT universe fans feel hurt.

As a Founder I don't get that, because what we bought into was giving them the funds to develop the game and not a "this will be the game as written in stone!" solid promise. About the only certainty we were given was our name in the credits, which we got.

Yeah, it didn't end up like it was envisioned; no game does. That's why you have the option of waiting till it's out rather and a known quantity, rather than gambling on a possibility. And if people lost/spent more than they could lose then, frankly, that's their bad luck for putting too much on red when it came out black.

People need to learn to cut their loses, actually read and understand what they are buying into, and just walk away when they stop having fun. Bitching and moaning that the world isn't the way they demand it should be isn't going to fix things, and destroying the fun of those who are still enjoying or have the potential to enjoy it isn't going to suddenly make their world a better one.

PGI haven't stolen any money, injured any person, performed any crime, or committed any sin.
They've just made a game that some people don't like as much as they convinced themselves they would.
They now really need to get some prospective and go find a game they will like, rather than trying to poison the well so others cannot drink from it.

[kanamisan]

DivineEvil, on 08 December 2015 - 08:50 AM, said:

I don't care much. Look at the situation with Fallout 4. It's a very good game with decent balance of the components, that is a great leap forward compared to previous renditions, that gives a great game-play experience. Yet, Steam community is filled with negative reviews from broken-minded people, most of which didn't even landed a step from the Vault, or whose argumentation is obviously ******** from beginning to the end.

Haters and trolls are everywhere. Those people instinctively crave for attention, and thus only present if there's something worth that attention. Reasonable players know that well enough, and reasonable players is what MWO needs the most. Conflicts between trolls and gamers do not affect the game's success nearly as much as you might think.

I kinda have to say that mwo and fallout 4 are in a similar situation. Objectively both are solid games. however, compared to the past games in the same franchise, they have focused on modernized mechanics rather then the key focus that the older games in that franchise used. For me, I do not hold fallout 4 as the same type of game as tactics or 2, while I understand why the change was made to make it appeal to a larger audience, I do also understand that it (as a person who loved tactics and 2 for the rpg rich experance) would not appeal to my tastes.

In that same way, If I grew up as a person who played the tabletop game, I might be the same way about mwo, however instead I enjoyed the mw games more and because of that, I grew up with a different set of mechanics in mind rather then what the people who grew up with the books and the tabletop grew up with. and as such, my tastes are more in line with mwo then The tabletop. I am not going to say that mwo is perfect, but I will say that like food, Play what suits your taste, if it does not, then dont hate it.

this of course brings up the last point, Preordering/kickstarting cause people to believe that they own the game and its development, rather then the realization that they are instead supporting the games development. because of this, People will try to force their tastes on the game even if the game itself is development is leading towards a different kind of game. To be honest, while I do thank the founders for supporting the game I enjoy to play. I do want to remind them that at the end of the day, its pgi's job to make mwo the best they can, Ether way, If mwo is causing you to be frustrated, its unhealthy to try and play through the anger.

[Wrathful Scythe]

Reading through the Steam forums is pretty rough. Its funny how many people like to spend time on stuff they don't like. I mean, waiting for their chance to express their hate for this game on every possible message board tells a lot.

And how active the forums are. MWO isn't even out yet and thread after thread is getting opened. I don't think that many new players will even bother reading the stuff that is written there now. There are currently only yay and nay sayers.

But on the other hand: The Internet is a place to waste time after all.

[Bobzilla]

Raggedyman, on 08 December 2015 - 09:06 AM, said:

As a Founder I don't get that, because what we bought into was giving them the funds to develop the game and not a "this will be the game as written in stone!" solid promise. About the only certainty we were given was our name in the credits, which we got.

Yeah, it didn't end up like it was envisioned...

Well that's kind of taking a soft fuzzy view of what happened in all fairness. If they would have listed all the things they have done, as what they will be doing, do you think they would have gotten the money from people, yourself included. No of course not.

So sure there wasn't a contract with detailed specifics, but there were specific promises that weren't met.

[Phlinger]

The worst part about the Steam Forums, are the people that think they need to defend against it. The BEST DEFENSE guys, is post your opinion in a new thread and move on. I know from personal experience, the only thing these guys want to do is get you to make yourself look stupid, don't respond. Learn how to take a bad review while posting your own good one. Let the people THAT KNOW HOW TO PR do the Public Relations. And for [redacted] sake, stop attacking people when they have a different opinion than you do. You are being petty and childish.

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 09 December 2015 - 04:14 PM.
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[AdamBaines]

El Bandito, on 08 December 2015 - 06:53 AM, said:

To be fair, PGI's promise of the game to the Founders was a very different and much more intricate concept than what we have now. Starting with the skill tree, and then CW... there were ample times to make a lot of BT universe fans feel hurt.

I don't disagree. And I am a founder who has been disappointed in the past. But you know what? I let it go 2 years ago. I am now enjoying the game that is here and getting better with every release. Is it what was pitched and took my XX amount in founders dollars? No, but its something I still really enjoy and have gotten my monies worth, and I can tell they care about the product. In the end, that's what matters to me. I still continue to drop a few dollars here and there because I like it.

There is no excuse for the vitriol I see on these forms, especially not for the reasons you state above. Well, not at least for those who are sane well adjusted people.

Speaking of which, I must NOT be sane or well adjusted as I continue to post here thinking people will be reasonable and civil. And no, that was not pointed at you el Bandito :-)