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[Aresye]

I've had too many fishy incidents that I've likely been reported dozens of times since this game came out.

The highest of competitive level play is mostly cheat free though. There's more than just aim or knowing where the enemy is. Positioning, maneuvering, knowing loadouts and which sides are vulnerable before getting target info, etc. There's so much that's subconsciously going on inside a good player's head that most of them can "read the game" and know whether or not they're going to win/lose before the first shots are even fired.

There's no shortcuts to developing this "6th sense" of the game. Even if a cheat program could pull information from the future and show exactly where the enemy team is going to go, it still wouldn't be enough, because a good player still needs to know exactly where to put their mech. I guess if a program showed exactly where the enemy team is going to go, and also shows you exactly where YOU need to go, it would completely replace all experience, but a program like that does not exist, nor will it ever exist.

Intuition based off years of experience > 3rd party programs.

[Psycho Icon]

Aresye Kerensky, on 23 December 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

I've had too many fishy incidents that I've likely been reported dozens of times since this game came out.

The highest of competitive level play is mostly cheat free though. There's more than just aim or knowing where the enemy is. Positioning, maneuvering, knowing loadouts and which sides are vulnerable before getting target info, etc. There's so much that's subconsciously going on inside a good player's head that most of them can "read the game" and know whether or not they're going to win/lose before the first shots are even fired.

There's no shortcuts to developing this "6th sense" of the game. Even if a cheat program could pull information from the future and show exactly where the enemy team is going to go, it still wouldn't be enough, because a good player still needs to know exactly where to put their mech. I guess if a program showed exactly where the enemy team is going to go, and also shows you exactly where YOU need to go, it would completely replace all experience, but a program like that does not exist, nor will it ever exist.

Intuition based off years of experience > 3rd party programs.

Umm do you know what a wallhack is? Do you know there was a very important 1vs1 tourney that was won with a wallhack and that person was banned and beat proton 1vs1? Lots of AMAZING players in that tourney and they made it quite obvious, almost abusing it on purpose. Lots of money was put into that tourney too. her name was moderatepudding, thebeefs girlfriend.

They banned her and 64 other people that i know of on a list, but you dont think these players can just create another account?

Edited by Psycho Icon, 23 December 2015 - 10:05 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Aresye Kerensky, on 23 December 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

I've had too many fishy incidents that I've likely been reported dozens of times since this game came out.

The highest of competitive level play is mostly cheat free though. There's more than just aim or knowing where the enemy is. Positioning, maneuvering, knowing loadouts and which sides are vulnerable before getting target info, etc. There's so much that's subconsciously going on inside a good player's head that most of them can "read the game" and know whether or not they're going to win/lose before the first shots are even fired.

There's no shortcuts to developing this "6th sense" of the game. Even if a cheat program could pull information from the future and show exactly where the enemy team is going to go, it still wouldn't be enough, because a good player still needs to know exactly where to put their mech. I guess if a program showed exactly where the enemy team is going to go, and also shows you exactly where YOU need to go, it would completely replace all experience, but a program like that does not exist, nor will it ever exist.

Intuition based off years of experience > 3rd party programs.

The problem with what you write here is that you assume someone of a not experienced levvel is usign hacks to get on the experienced players level.

But hacks are often use to get the vittal edge. Imagine both sides have the exact same skill level, yet the one side just has those tools to get that little extra to tip the scales. When truly good players use them and know what to make out of these little extra it means a lot. A noob with tools is still a noob.

A wallhack is more than just knowing the location of the opponent it also knowing exactly where the opponent looks at, when he will come out of the corner or coming over a hill not. That kind of metainformations is what a skilled palyer can generate tons of advantages for himself even on high level skill gameplay.

Edited by Lily from animove, 23 December 2015 - 10:06 AM.

[Coolant]

I just don't think hacking is a big issue. I'm not naive as someone pm'd me. It's because I don't notice anything out of the ordinary. Tbh, maybe 3 times in 3 years has something questionable happened. But, even if some are hacking, I can still hold my own without resorting to the same cowardice. I have confidence in PGI that they will continue to fight against cheating.

[Inkarnus]

Tarogato, on 23 December 2015 - 09:41 AM, said:

Sounds like you encountered somebody who knows how to aim. And hey, if your component is open, then its smoking, and the enemy can see that without a paperdoll readout.

its funny how you search for exceptions and loopholes in my argumentation not even knowing the mechanics

right arm is off left torso open i totally can see what is opened ! yeah exactly not -.-

Tarogato, on 23 December 2015 - 09:41 AM, said:

You mean somebody who missed, and then corrected his aim?

Yeah i always shoot sky high above the target and magically snap to it XD.

Tarogato, on 23 December 2015 - 09:41 AM, said:

Physically impossible except in a few very specific spots on certain maps that you have to know like the back of your hand. Not hacks, it's knowledge of maps and their geometry, whether its buggy or not.

sure sure =D you are funny btw. Its not that a player that is good doesnt even shows his open components and always keeps them hidden 1 guy magically aiming for the damaged part that is hidden is a clear sign of l2p scrub.

Tarogato, on 23 December 2015 - 09:41 AM, said:

Some open knowledge that is... I actually have never heard of any of those terms before. So... what again? What do they do and why? And how do you identify when people are them?

As i said blind or naive but in your case i tend more to user of certain things. thats especially why i wont tell you more. Especially not the certaintys of how to detect it if you apperently lack them or exactly know and wont tell.

Edited by Inkarnus, 23 December 2015 - 10:19 AM.

[Revis Volek]

Inkarnus, on 23 December 2015 - 09:25 AM, said:

Yeah we are all scrubs and need a git gutt and l2p **** since we are all tier 5 underhive .
I mean i clearly cant compete with people that shoot out the only open and possible kill partition on a nearly fresh
ecm mech +300m away, sorry iam just not that good. Same with neutering 2 sidetorsos in 1 mpl blast git gud scrub.
Or that guy thats laser shoots in the air and then are magically nailed at my sidetorso .
Did i mention the guys shooting through geometry? better git gud filthy casual.
There is more like LAGHACK which is the biggest one that is used in MWO and nearly all other online games.
The rest is open knowledge like DropHacks or Armorhacks, Silentaim, Boneaim and so on blabla.
Why they use it ? because everybody that is BETTER then them is using it. Basically forcing them to use cheats, wow i turned your argument 180 around and sended it back, noice!
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Proof?

Do you have proof that these so called HACK sites have stuff for MWO?



Drophacks? ArmorHacks? Where are you getting these names? You sure know a whole lot of detailed information for someone who claims they do not cheat.

[Revis Volek]

Inkarnus, on 23 December 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

its funny how you search for exceptions and loopholes in my argumentation not even knowing the mechanics

right arm is off left torso open i totally can see what is opened ! yeah exactly not -.-

What are you graphic settings? I see smoke on every component that is cored....dunno why you aren't seeing it. I had a cored leg last night and i saw the smoke coming off my own leg.

[Inkarnus]

DarthRevis, on 23 December 2015 - 10:19 AM, said:

What are you graphic settings? I see smoke on every component that is cored....dunno why you aren't seeing it. I had a cored leg last night and i saw the smoke coming off my own leg.

Iam not talking about legs -.- iam talking about the sidetorso.
Exposed Externals like legs and arms and destroyed arms will create smoke no sidetorso ever will show you if its open or not.
Settings the highest this game allows Very High on all tabs for the test no User.cfg
People know it because wizards .

calling proof and silly accusing me of cheating because i know more then your average naive scrublord is cute!
Its mostly the guys most adamant something doesnt exist that are the real snakes.
Even if i would tell you anything how can you verify oh wait. now i get it xD. Hope your money is well invested.

Edited by Inkarnus, 23 December 2015 - 10:55 AM.

[Tarogato]

DarthRevis, on 23 December 2015 - 10:19 AM, said:

What are you graphic settings? I see smoke on every component that is cored....dunno why you aren't seeing it. I had a cored leg last night and i saw the smoke coming off my own leg.

Inkarnus, on 23 December 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

its funny how you search for exceptions and loopholes in my argumentation not even knowing the mechanics

right arm is off left torso open i totally can see what is opened ! yeah exactly not -.-

Hmmm... I just had to do some testing to confirm this... and I can't confirm anything. It's inconsistent. Weird.

So far I've yet to be able to confirm that torsos smoke. So maybe Inkarnus is right here and I just learned something I didn't know.

But ... this is interesting, it's inconsistent with arms and legs:

Spoiler

Atlas has both arms smoking:

Altas only has one arm smoking:

Cataphract only has one of the legs smoking:


I couldn't get the other leg on the Cataphract to smoke.

I might have to send PGI an email about this, because that has to be a bug.

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Inkarnus, on 23 December 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

As i said blind or naive but in your case i tend more to user of certain things. thats especially why i wont tell you more. Especially not the certaintys of how to detect it if you apperently lack them or exactly know and wont tell.

I guess naive, then. But I find it hard to believe that somebody like me has played 8,635 matches and has yet to see anything suspicious in game. Recordings and evidence? Yes, I've seen very conspicuous aimbots and a radar hack. And those players have since been banned. But have I personally in my own matches ever suspected anybody of any kind of cheats/hacks? No. Never have come across a single one in over 8000 of my own games. Seems strange, since you seem to think they're everywhere.

So maybe I am blind. Maybe everybody is blind. Except you and the three or four other people are constantly crying hax because they cannot comprehend how good some people are at the game. Or maybe I'm feigning ignorance because I myself am hacking. Is that what you think?

[Aresye]

Psycho Icon, on 23 December 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

Umm do you know what a wallhack is? Do you know there was a very important 1vs1 tourney that was won with a wallhack and that person was banned and beat proton 1vs1? Lots of AMAZING players in that tourney and they made it quite obvious, almost abusing it on purpose. Lots of money was put into that tourney too. her name was moderatepudding, thebeefs girlfriend.

They banned her and 64 other people that i know of on a list, but you dont think these players can just create another account?

lulz @ "very important 1v1 tourny." It was a community run event with no developer oversight. Hard to compare that with the upcoming "OFFICIAL" PGI tournament, in which at least the last couple brackets will likely be heavily scrutinized for any possible exploits and/or cheating.

Guess who's going to likely end up finalists? The same players that have been playing since closed beta and play nearly 6-8 hours every day.

Here's a better question. How does one prove they "DON'T" cheat? Is it a prerequisite that non-cheaters suck? because even that isn't a good indication as the majority of the 64 players banned earlier this year were nobodies that were relatively terrible at the game.

Fun fact: One of the banned 64 players reported me to PGI for cheating, in addition to sending private messages to my unit leaders saying that I was a cheater and how he personally witnessed me using an aimbot. Guess who's still here and who isn't?

[cSand]

Aresye Kerensky, on 23 December 2015 - 12:04 PM, said:

lulz @ "very important 1v1 tourny." It was a community run event with no developer oversight. Hard to compare that with the upcoming "OFFICIAL" PGI tournament, in which at least the last couple brackets will likely be heavily scrutinized for any possible exploits and/or cheating.

Guess who's going to likely end up finalists? The same players that have been playing since closed beta and play nearly 6-8 hours every day.

Here's a better question. How does one prove they "DON'T" cheat? Is it a prerequisite that non-cheaters suck? because even that isn't a good indication as the majority of the 64 players banned earlier this year were nobodies that were relatively terrible at the game.

Fun fact: One of the banned 64 players reported me to PGI for cheating, in addition to sending private messages to my unit leaders saying that I was a cheater and how he personally witnessed me using an aimbot. Guess who's still here and who isn't?

pfff come on dude, you've killed me in a few matches therefore I know you're cheating

[Tarogato]

Aresye Kerensky, on 23 December 2015 - 12:04 PM, said:

Fun fact: One of the banned 64 players reported me to PGI for cheating, in addition to sending private messages to my unit leaders saying that I was a cheater and how he personally witnessed me using an aimbot. Guess who's still here and who isn't?

Remember that time when... ?

Edited by Tarogato, 23 December 2015 - 12:10 PM.

[Onyxian]

But, what about the really important question...

How is this thread not locked and/or K-towned and/or deleted yet?

[MechWarrior3671771]

Tarogato, on 23 December 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

crying hax because they cannot comprehend how good some people are at the game.

That's a false dichotomy though. I've known people that are very good at a video game but still cheat.

Again, both can be true - ignorant players cry hax when they get rolled, there are good players that cheat.

[Revis Volek]

Inkarnus, on 23 December 2015 - 10:36 AM, said:

Iam not talking about legs -.- iam talking about the sidetorso.
Exposed Externals like legs and arms and destroyed arms will create smoke no sidetorso ever will show you if its open or not.
Settings the highest this game allows Very High on all tabs for the test no User.cfg
People know it because wizards .

calling proof and silly accusing me of cheating because i know more then your average naive scrublord is cute!
Its mostly the guys most adamant something doesnt exist that are the real snakes.
Even if i would tell you anything how can you verify oh wait. now i get it xD. Hope your money is well invested.

Proof is not silly, its how you PROVE your point.


So now everyone under you is a Scrublord?


You are more then welcome to come watch me play, i have nothing to hide. Report me if you want for hacking i will entertain that thought all day. I never adjusted my User.cfg either...so that means im as holy as thou right? I also never said it didnt exist, i asked you where you are finding this stuff and you told me the land of make believe.

Edited by DarthRevis, 23 December 2015 - 01:38 PM.

[Aresye]

Tarogato, on 23 December 2015 - 12:09 PM, said:

Remember that time when... ?

LOL, I forgot about that one. Seems to be a fairly interesting trend that those who accuse others of cheating end up being the cheaters themselves.

With this new development in mind, I think we should ask Inkarnus how he knows so much about the ins and outs of these cheating programs.....hmmmmm.

[Pjwned]

Widowmaker1981, on 22 December 2015 - 04:49 AM, said:

Probably new players who don't know what ECM is think its a hack.

Which is funny since it's so unbalanced that it might as well be a hack.

[Tarogato]

Pjwned, on 23 December 2015 - 02:22 PM, said:

Which is funny since it's so unbalanced that it might as well be a hack.

Which is funny, because IS has more ECM options yet nobody even uses them for CW, despite the LRM spam from Clan pugs. It's almost like... ECM isn't as important has having a good build. =P

[Sandpit]

Widowmaker1981, on 22 December 2015 - 04:49 AM, said:

Probably new players who don't know what ECM is think its a hack.

Trust me, it's not new players. I get tired of hearing "hacks" every time a team I'm on gets rolled, and a lot of the people making those claims have been here since CB.

I'm serious, almost without fail, if we suffer a bad loss against a really good team, the first word I hear most often thrown out is "hack"

I said it many moons ago and I'll say it again today, especially with the Tier system now, some of the "elite" snowflakes around here aren't as "elite" as they thought they were so their egos concoct any and every excuse they can to assure everyone else that the match wasn't lost for valid reasons, there's always a scapegoat or boogeyman.

Premades
VOIP
Blance
Clan mechs
Hero mechs
Maps
Spawn points
Teammates
Hacks
Time Limit
Game Mode

Every single one of those have factually been listed on these forums as reasons someone lost. Some of the players in this community just rreally need to get over themselves. Period

[pwnface]

As much as I see people claiming "hacks" in drops lately, I'm tempted to report myself and see what happens