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[Rushin Roulette]

I love this thread... it is just so filled with popcorn entertainment... it starts off wanting to unite the clans to get them to face the same direction and (as usual) devolves into clan vs. clan and Clan vs. IS squabbling... Trying to get clanners to unite is like trying to heard cats.... it apparently just doesnt work

As usual, getting clanners to sit on a round table ends up with them arguing about who gets to sit on the corners.

Lagreskul, on 10 February 2016 - 12:13 AM, said:

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I agree with you. and Id also like to add, that clanners are complaining that the IS get to sell their engines or re-use them on other mechs... well the IS cant sell or re-use their omnipods, so that is another thing to consider while balancing prices.

Prices for the mechs after upgrades can usually be broken down as;

Clan lights are much cheaper
Clan mediums are slightly cheaper to equal
Clan heavies are equal to slightly more expensive
Clan Assaults are more expensive

The reason behind this; IS light mechs may be cheap to purchase initially, but require just about every known upgrade (DHS, ES and FF as well as a large XL engine), IS Assualts however do not require an XL engine, and do not have enough space for FF (a few dont even have space for ES).

Edited by Rushin Roulette, 10 February 2016 - 12:56 AM.

[Lagreskul]

Aye, and all things considered, some players might not enjoy playing clan as much with the current CW metagame. From what I've seen, IS is going to be much more likely to frontload 100 ton assaults such as atlases, king-crabs, and sometimes stalkers whereas clan-aligned MERCs or clanners have a lot more incentive to run the lighter warhawks, gargoyles, or executioners due to one of the Clan's biggest strengths being their uniform and rapid travel speed. While everyone else is cruising along at 80-100 kph, the Direwhale fills a similar role to a stalker, a gun platform, and waddles around at the speed of a Prius in a parking lot. If you like running big, slow, 100 tonners, you'll definitely be a lot happier in IS because the only place the Dire has is as a first drop gun-bed.

So, play what you like. Like front-loading? IS is the place where that happens. Like balanced drop decks? Clans have got you filled.

Edited by Lagreskul, 10 February 2016 - 09:28 AM.

[Jep Jorgensson]

Not always. An IS pilot can now bring a full deck of four thunderbolt heavy mechs right now (from what I was told) or go with 2-3 assaults and a light or two. So it really is tough being an IS pilot right now. *Snicker*

Edited by Jep, 10 February 2016 - 05:36 PM.

[MovinTarget]

I run 2 80-85 tonners, a Tbolt or Jager (map dependent) and a combat light...

The one thing clanners can claim legitimately is while they can outfit their omni mechs any number of ways, there is less flexibility in platforms tonnage-wise so they often need to under-ton their deck because once they pick 3 mechs there isn't a one more that will just fit that remaining tonnage.

IS has a mech at EVERY 5 ton increment so you can always maximize the dropdeck tonnage. Additionally while you may not have the flexibility of omni mechs, you often have a plethora of options in chassis/variants at each 5 ton increment.

...do I get bonus points for using the word plethora correctly in a sentence?

[Lagreskul]

MovinTarget, on 10 February 2016 - 05:58 PM, said:

"words"

I'm only claiming what I see, and yeah, either faction can run four 65's, and do pretty well at it as the ebon jaguar is a pretty decent offensive mech with a massive payload. However, you will see plenty of Atlases and King Crabs on the IS side with good frequency, meaning nearly every single match. And, until the Kodiak comes along, the clans don't have a substitute Atlas. The 100 tonner that we do have is more akin to the role that a stalker role and is a sweet gun-bed, but for the brawl it suffers.

[Natural Predator]

It seems to me through my experience that coordination, patience, and fire discipline win the day. All things being equal I greatly appreciate clan mechs for their ability to adapt to different situations and load outs. While having fairly good success against the inner sphere my color my observations; I suppose their is some amount of truth to the superiority of certain inner sphere chassis. For example I believe inner sphere assault mechs can brawl better than their clan counterparts. My belief is the Kodak will help tip that back into balance. I also think innersphere light mechs have a slight bit more diversity and therefore make a better light lance combination; though the cheetah is no question the captain of combat amongst lights. All in all I think skill and coordination will always overcome whatever slight advantages one side holds over the other.

To the actual topic at hand. I would easily aline myself with a United clan push. But most especially with fellow crusader clan smoke jaguar. I have found little honor in the doggies and clan jade falcon is currently decimated, though in the future i would rather enjoy fighting alongside a resurgent clan jade falcon. So for me alliances with smoke jaguar>jade falcon>doggies

[Commander A9]

I still retain my belief that united, we can beat any threat.

We just simply have to work together. It really isn't that hard.

[DreamFallen Novacat]

Commander A9, on 14 February 2016 - 06:47 PM, said:

I still retain my belief that united, we can beat any threat.

We just simply have to work together. It really isn't that hard.

Agreed on this point, can't wait for tomorrows patch...

[Naglinator]

For the day will come and our kin will stand
On Terra's firm soil, ready to rebuilt
The Star League with their hearts and hands.
But who shall lead? Upon whose shoulders
Will the burden lie? The answer is the test; The test is the journey. Whichever Clan
Carves its way through the barbarians
To reach that fabled cradle of us all
Shall be the vehicle of the League's rebirth. Upon
The Star League throne shall sit that Clan's
Wisest Khan. So should it be - So shall it be.

I see nothing about cooperation, only that the first one there wins

[Commander A9]

:/

You want the Clans to take Terra?

Then start working together.

We can't get Terra by having the Clans pug each other to death.

[Naglinator]

Just clan wolf to take Terra. I don't want the other ones to Clans really aren't the clans if we aren't beating each other silly as well as the IS.

[Czarr]

Not to sound like a D but i kind of like the fact that the clans are not a factored cause it means that the very few that still play CW are now playing Steiner, Marik, Liao, Davion, FRR and Kurtia rather then all that plus the clans. It makes war in the IS a lot more fun when the players are avoiding the clans and just playing IS

seriously.....PGI you should of just had this game take place during the Succession wars.

Edited by Czarr, 15 February 2016 - 04:50 PM.

[KHAN ATTAKHAN]

Edited by KHAN ATTAKHAN666, 22 February 2016 - 01:11 AM.

[Naglinator]

KHAN ATTAKHAN666, on 15 February 2016 - 06:07 PM, said:

I'm trying to unite Clan Ghost Bear under a KHAN so we can get a move on and I got called an idiot and got so flamed it burnt my bacon, you're talking about uniting the 4 clans and that means an IL-KHAN, you're as Crazy as I am, I like that, come to GBKP's TS at StranaMechty I'm in the Guestroom all week from 8pm AEST, if your serious then lets talk, I'm sure the Alliance would like to help a brother clan to push the offensive, actually I know we would, we help you and you help us and who knows maybe we'll get somewhere and scare the doo doo outta everyone, even those in our own clans.

A temporary alliance mind you, we still have to battle each other you know, that keeps the LOREMASTERS happy, they get all upset if you don't give them something to play with.


A temporary alliance between us even at the unit level would be the beginning of a real game changer and in the end others will follow a new destiny or fall into obscurity.
The alliance is willing are you???.

Not in the slightest.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

KHAN ATTAKHAN666, on 15 February 2016 - 06:07 PM, said:

I'm trying to unite Clan Ghost Bear under a KHAN so we can get a move on and I got called an idiot and got so flamed it burnt my bacon, you're talking about uniting the 4 clans and that means an IL-KHAN, you're as Crazy as I am, I like that, come to GBKP's TS at StranaMechty I'm in the Guestroom all week from 8pm AEST, if your serious then lets talk, I'm sure the Alliance would like to help a brother clan to push the offensive, actually I know we would, we help you and you help us and who knows maybe we'll get somewhere and scare the doo doo outta everyone, even those in our own clans.

A temporary alliance mind you, we still have to battle each other you know, that keeps the LOREMASTERS happy, they get all upset if you don't give them something to play with.


A temporary alliance between us even at the unit level would be the beginning of a real game changer and in the end others will follow a new destiny or fall into obscurity.
The alliance is willing are you???.

I nominate Nalglinator as your new Khan. Naglinator as your first act please ask the bears to go jump in a lake. Thank you

[chimmy]

Speaking as a member of both MS and ISEN, the group that owns the FRR hub and actually got the FRR hub to the state it is in today, I gotta disagree with the idea that ANY MS member, outside of edge cases like myself and R2D2FTW who are both MS and ISEN members, had anything to do with the FRR hub setup or it's continued livelihood. Sure, the ISEN took notes from the way that the MS teamspeak is laid out and how it functions but as stated before no MS member took part in setting it up.

Edited by chimmy, 15 February 2016 - 07:46 PM.

[Jarl Dane]

chimmy, on 15 February 2016 - 07:45 PM, said:

Speaking as a member of both MS and ISEN, the group that owns the FRR hub and actually got the FRR hub to the state it is in today, I gotta disagree with the idea that ANY MS member, outside of edge cases like myself and R2D2FTW who are both MS and ISEN members, had anything to do with the FRR hub setup or it's continued livelihood. Sure, the ISEN took notes from the way that the MS teamspeak is laid out and how it functions but as stated before no MS member took part in setting it up.

They got it Chimmy. I think like 4 pages back the guy who said it recanted.

Anyways, as you can see the real issue is ego. You want a Clans-undivided Community hub, but there are many factions out there who can't even pull it off on their own. In-fighting and a willingness to endorse their own TS over a community one. The hurdles can be, at times, insurmountable.

I would venture you'd be better off uniting a clan faction first, before attempting to unite all the clan factions.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Strana Mechty, a Clan-wide hub TS is an option and we do have units from all four factions there (plus some outlier units that are touring for mechbays in IS currently), but ultimately faction level hubs tend to get more visibility and therefore business.

That's not a complaint mind ya, just statement of the reality of the game community.

When Smoke Adders were a permcon and heavily invested in CW when it first came out, the 512 person server developed into more of a CSJ-centric spot probably because so many of our friends in the "Smoke Alliance" worked with us over there. Over time tho, as CW interest burned out for quite a few units, folks realized the need for the Smoke Alliance wasn't yet here (as CW really doesn't matter "yet") and as folks moved from faction to faction, it's developed into the skittles hub that it is today, still with a focus on Clan units.

So, there's plenty of room, there's no rent required and folks are welcome to get some rooms set up there anytime, but given the nature of CW, it will remain a hub server but not the end all be all of clan efforts. Having it become a haven that unites all of the Clans is likely unrealistic, as if to say that all of the IS units decided to forgo their faction hubs and goto a mega IS TS. Unlikely.

Plus there are some seriously large units out there (such as SWOL) that will likely always use their own TS I imagine.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Lukoi Banacek, on 15 February 2016 - 08:24 PM, said:

Strana Mechty, a Clan-wide hub TS is an option and we do have units from all four factions there (plus some outlier units that are touring for mechbays in IS currently), but ultimately faction level hubs tend to get more visibility and therefore business.

That's not a complaint mind ya, just statement of the reality of the game community.

When Smoke Adders were a permcon and heavily invested in CW when it first came out, the 512 person server developed into more of a CSJ-centric spot probably because so many of our friends in the "Smoke Alliance" worked with us over there. Over time tho, as CW interest burned out for quite a few units, folks realized the need for the Smoke Alliance wasn't yet here (as CW really doesn't matter "yet") and as folks moved from faction to faction, it's developed into the skittles hub that it is today, still with a focus on Clan units.

So, there's plenty of room, there's no rent required and folks are welcome to get some rooms set up there anytime, but given the nature of CW, it will remain a hub server but not the end all be all of clan efforts. Having it become a haven that unites all of the Clans is likely unrealistic, as if to say that all of the IS units decided to forgo their faction hubs and goto a mega IS TS. Unlikely.

Plus there are some seriously large units out there (such as SWOL) that will likely always use their own TS I imagine.

How ironic you bring this up, we're about to actually expand our TS and try to turn it into a Wolf TeamSpeak Hub.