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[Arctourus]

alpine....one of my favorites....don't mess with it!

[Imperius]

Arctourus, on 04 January 2016 - 06:43 AM, said:

alpine....one of my favorites....don't mess with it!

What's so good about it?

[CDLord HHGD]

Join me in always voting for Alpine when it comes up!

#VoteAlpine
#SaveAlpine
#Alpine2016

[RoboPatton]

I have a feeling I will end up missing Alpine like I miss all the original maps, since replaced.

It's nice to have a mix of maps imo. Some with cover, some with barren wastes and a few hills.

I just hope the replacement map isn't bog with snow.

[sycocys]

sycocys, on 04 January 2016 - 08:36 AM, said:

Alpine is one of the few Mechwarrior-esque maps in the game. Really just needs some adjustments like different (random) drop points and cap/base points for the most part.

Could tunnel out the mountain to make a HPG-like theta zone and increase the size of the playable field without increasing the size of the map. Add mountains or a wall to the back side of the top of the mountain so if you set up there retreat isn't a viable option - and effectively guarding the back base/cap points isn't either.

Little more hill or clutter cover down past the ramp so the team from that side can't easily be spotted without actual scouting to determine which direction they are moving.

Make holding the mountain become a huge risk for loss, and utilize the rest of that map which is quite nicely laid out.

Don't get rid of the map though. Use it, if nothing else it would be a fantastic CW map to add a progression before Boreal.

[Xhaleon]

I do think that maps should never be completely removed from the game. I still miss the old Forest Colony.

Take Alpine for a spin in the editor and flatten out the entire map especially around the tryhard mountain area, leaving most of the rolling hills intact. Reduce the chance of Alpine appearing in the rotation in favor of the "replacement" map, but leave it as an option. I know they said they experimented with something like this before but were unsatisfied with the result; this is still the most economical way to make it more fair and avoid completely throwing away all the work and funds that were put into it.

If nothing else, why not repurpose Alpine into a CW map?

Oh yeah,

BRING BACK FOREST COLONY / SNOW

Edited by Xhaleon, 04 January 2016 - 08:45 AM.

[Hawk_eye]

MauttyKoray, on 03 January 2016 - 06:07 PM, said:

you have no idea how many times that's ended in a 0:0 draw.... Or some idiot charges the enemy team from either side, usually just 1 guy too which then screws everyone else.

From a pure reward point of view, a 0:0 draw pays more than a 12:0 loss.
(I´m not counting the time invested (and the boredom) which, of course, isn´t really correct, I know that)

That being said, I had a few matches on Alpine lately, where we didn´t fight the guys on the top and not _once_ did the match end in a draw.
The other guys _always_ came down to fight us (doesn´t mean we always won, but we _didn´t_ fight them while at on the top)

[Big Tin Man]

Thinking about how to fix this, beyond just spawns:

#1 Limit the map.It's already massive so just eliminate the B6 to F9 rectangle. Adjust spawns accordingly

#2 East/West very wide land bridge at E7/F7 with North/South tunnel or cave underneath. Main mountain is no longer accessible from E7/F7 on the right side of the map, you have to climb from D8 or F8. Spawns can remain mostly unchanged, but travel time for the blues to the top of the mountain is longer. Maybe add some ice block boulder cover in E5/E6.

[CDLord HHGD]

They could turn mechburger hill into a giant frozen lake and in conquest, put Theta in it. Could add a fog layer in it too to reduce LoS, but just on the lake.

[pbiggz]

there's alot they could have done but when they did all those things the map was so different they decided not to call it alpine anymore, and they're getting rid of the problematic old map. Deal with it.

How can you possibly be attached to this map when you haven't even seen polar highlands yet. I havent. I heard its better though. If it sucks maybe we can get alpine back, if its better, I don't ever want to see alpine again.

[CDLord HHGD]

pbiggz, on 04 January 2016 - 10:42 AM, said:

there's alot they could have done but when they did all those things the map was so different they decided not to call it alpine anymore, and they're getting rid of the problematic old map. Deal with it.

How can you possibly be attached to this map when you haven't even seen polar highlands yet. I havent. I heard its better though. If it sucks maybe we can get alpine back, if its better, I don't ever want to see alpine again.

Because I do not think there's an issue with Alpine as it sits. Not the map's fault nobody else tries different tactics.
Because I also think more maps is better overall.

[Imperius]

cdlord, on 04 January 2016 - 11:30 AM, said:

Because I do not think there's an issue with Alpine as it sits. Not the map's fault nobody else tries different tactics.
Because I also think more maps is better overall.

Maps could be designed to dictate tactics but we always get one big landmark per map and people death-ball to it.

#KillApline2016

Other babies were ok with removing graphic options, glow, cockpit glass, inverse kinematics, and Knockdowns all things I wanted to stay.

So bye bye crap map you won't be missed they might be able to bring it back soon™ After the list above gets fixed we don't have time for alpine. This is the general response I receive from the community so I will throw the "Other stuff is more important" card like everyone else!


Thanks again #KILLALPINE2016

Edited by Imperius, 04 January 2016 - 11:41 AM.

[TheBlackMegadeus]

Imperius, on 04 January 2016 - 11:37 AM, said:

#KILLALPINE2016

[pbiggz]

cdlord, on 04 January 2016 - 11:30 AM, said:

Because I do not think there's an issue with Alpine as it sits. Not the map's fault nobody else tries different tactics.
Because I also think more maps is better overall.

It's entirely the map's fault nobody tries different tactics.

There are plenty of places to fight on the map, but none are as good as that mountain. If you give it up, you basically throw the match. In other words, there are many options, but only one of them really means anything. That's bad design in a nutshell, and i'm telling you this from experience.

[Big Tin Man]

w00t!!!

Russ Bullockruss_bullock 7m7 minutes ago

I will try to update the Road map when I can but I was wrong - Alpine was always going to stay in rotation, I had old information. It stays

https://twitter.com/...098971225096192

#SavedAlpine

Edited by Big Tin Man, 04 January 2016 - 11:55 AM.

[Helsbane]

When we played Alpine for our MRBC matches, we forced the fight off the mountain and into other areas pretty effectively. If you want the fight to be somewhere other than candy mountain, simply don't go to areas within range of weapons atop candy mountain. It's really not that damn hard. Position and patience, let them see where a few of you are, and draw them off the familiar terrain into the unfamiliar. You just have to get your forces moving in the right direction from the first tick of the match clock, get them into a concealed area, and murder the first scout that comes looking for you (this means no lurms, direct fire only). That forces the fight to come to you.

[CDLord HHGD]

Big Tin Man, on 04 January 2016 - 11:54 AM, said:

w00t!!!

Russ Bullockruss_bullock 7m7 minutes ago

I will try to update the Road map when I can but I was wrong - Alpine was always going to stay in rotation, I had old information. It stays

https://twitter.com/...098971225096192

#SavedAlpine

#SavedAlpine

[smokefield]

now lets get back old maps into rotation and things will be more interesting.

[Bishop Steiner]

pbiggz, on 04 January 2016 - 11:46 AM, said:

It's entirely the map's fault nobody tries different tactics.

There are plenty of places to fight on the map, but none are as good as that mountain. If you give it up, you basically throw the match. In other words, there are many options, but only one of them really means anything. That's bad design in a nutshell, and i'm telling you this from experience.

This is not true. The mountain is a mediocre position, especially once the opfor is entrenched. The entire southern portion of the map is actually BETTER for fighting, and out of reach, effectively of Candy Mountain Snipers.

The problem is players can't think past "the big visible terrain feature".

It is a Player issue, not a map issue.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 04 January 2016 - 12:21 PM.

[Imperius]

The issue with every map is if you want to get deferent play you have to block off the center of the map. People will take the fastest route to the other team almost 100% of the time in typical death ball fashion.