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[wanderer]

Ties aren't zero income, though it does mean both teams get -less- for the result.

[GRiPSViGiL]

Oh the dictators are out in full force on a thread like this. Technically someone can use the entire 14 mins and 50ish seconds to hide and then try to engage and would have been participating. This is very subjective and there are a million different ways to consider participation and non-participation.

I fall on the play how you damn well please side.

[adamts01]

Eglar, on 08 January 2016 - 11:38 AM, said:

Though i am not refering to OP's case, I remember pgi at some point saying that they intentionally used the phrase "contributing towards victory" and not "avoiding a loss" in their CoC which makes a Tie a fairly disputable outcome. I don't know if this has been changed but you also used to recieve less income for a Tie (15k C-Bills) compared to a Loss (20k C-Bills),

In a precedent, PGI's MWO First Engagement Tournament, a certain Team made the call to Camp inside a Cave on the old Forest Colony Map with AC20 Jagermechs for the entire game duration while the other team didn't want to commit suicide by going there. (Details here)
At this point, PGI made the call to change the game mode from Skirmish to Assault in order to prevent a TIE by "Cavecamping" and enforcing a Win-Loss outcome.

I agree that it could be a grey area, but I imagine any reasonable person would consider a tie a victory over a loss.

[mania3c]

Eglar, on 08 January 2016 - 11:38 AM, said:

Though i am not refering to OP's case, I remember pgi at some point saying that they intentionally used the phrase "contributing towards victory" and not "avoiding a loss" in their CoC which makes a Tie a fairly disputable outcome.

But in this case the light was "contributing towards victory".. his only chance to win was to lure him outside his base and cap it fast. It seems he tried exactly that. So even according these rules, the light pilot did nothing wrong..

If it would be skirmish, I could somehow agree with OP...barely but I could see a point. However in assault, hiding and waiting what opponent will do and if there will be some window of opportunity to win by capping is perfectly valid move..especially in this situation...even according these rules (which are stupid in my opinion)..

Edited by mania3c, 08 January 2016 - 12:03 PM.

[adamts01]

GRiPSViGiL, on 08 January 2016 - 11:57 AM, said:

Oh the dictators are out in full force on a thread like this. Technically someone can use the entire 14 mins and 50ish seconds to hide and then try to engage and would have been participating. This is very subjective and there are a million different ways to consider participation and non-participation.

I fall on the play how you damn well please side.

I wouldn't give a **** if I could leave a match and not get penalized.

[Darian DelFord]

Please try to report me when I am in my Jenner and you all die in the first 5 minutes of the game and I wait 3 minutes to spread our the enemy while they look for me.

More importantly I love it when the enemy team asks if AFK or fighting and my team says fighting. I just assume they did nto say anything. let the enemy team wonder what I am doing, increases our chances of a win.

[Satan n stuff]

MrMadguy, on 08 January 2016 - 04:30 AM, said:

Unstated? Have you read 3rd post above yours?

Ceasing to meaningfully contribute for the remainder of the match if you still have support equipment, useful modules, or weapons (with any necessary ammo) available. Losing your primary weapon is not an acceptable excuse for hiding and/or shutting down if you still have a secondary weapon, a support-based item such as a TAG, or a consumable module available for use.

Yes unstated, as in it isn't stated. Tell me where it says "you're allowed to hide when your mech is rendered useless". It doesn't say that anywhere. In fact the only form of hiding that's explicitly allowed is hiding to get a better chance to win the match, however one might go about that. It also specifically forbids avoiding combat if it can't improve your chances of winning the match.

Edit: As for the specific case you brought up, the light was trying to get you off the base so he could capture it, he's not breaking any rules there.

Edited by Satan n stuff, 08 January 2016 - 02:06 PM.

[Mystere]

adamts01, on 07 January 2016 - 09:01 PM, said:

Hiding to protect your kdr ...

What makes you 100% sure someone is hiding to protect their KDR? Are you telepathic?

[Mystere]

MrMadguy, on 08 January 2016 - 09:44 AM, said:

You should really realize, that slower 'Mechs are not obligated to chaise faster ones. It's faster 'Mechs' duty - to engage with enemies.

When one is not enough:

[Ghogiel]

Mystere, on 08 January 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:

What makes you 100% sure someone is hiding to protect their KDR? Are you telepathic?

As per the COC it's an irrelevent factor now. But even so you can be 100% certain in retrospec, once the match is over if they hid and did nothing else while they still had weaps, their KDR was protected, and thus they hid and protected their KDR.

Edited by Ghogiel, 08 January 2016 - 04:35 PM.

[Masterbagger]

Good luck. I've gotten rage tears for hitting override and firing on the enemy when I was last man standing and hopelessly outnumbered. Whenever you play the game the way you want and ignore the whiners you have a chance of some sniveling little child on your team choking back rage tears to threaten to report you. Fortunately nothing seems to result from this. It may be the case these types of players aren't bothering to follow through with their threats or their mothers are bringing them chocolate milk and they forget about it.

Just play and let the haters hate.

[Ratpoison]

Ghogiel, on 08 January 2016 - 04:34 PM, said:

As per the COC it's an irrelevent factor now. But even so you can be 100% certain in retrospec, once the match is over if they hid and did nothing else while they still had weaps, their KDR was protected, and thus they hid and protected their KDR.

Firetrucks are red, and apples are red, so clearly firetrucks are made out of apples.

[StonedVet]

There is one player in a group that rhymes with workstar that does this in skirmish with his lights. Runs and hides when its obvious who is winning. It makes for entertaining chats, happened 4 times in a 3 hour span a few days ago. Obviously I won't name them but was surprised to see it happening.

[VinJade]

I find it funny how they want to get rid of the 'tie' due to some dumb reason by the whiners who don't like having to 'wait'.
by the way there are more than one way to be tied.

Not to long ago I was in a match where I seen a Cat(The dumb one with no secondary weapons) and a Adder, both had no weapons/ammo left so it ended up a tie.

sometimes it cannot be helped.

so to penalize over it in some form or another is as dumb as any mech not carrying a energy weapon of some kind.
if anything it should be pgi who should take a looong hard look at themselves. they don't like ties then force all players to have some kind of non-ammo based weapon on their mechs or be penalized or offer a eject option should the mech have no Actual weapons or ammo left.

ECMs, Tags, BAPs, NARCs, ect are NOT weapons.

[Mystere]

VinJade, on 08 January 2016 - 06:47 PM, said:

so to penalize over it in some form or another is as dumb as any mech not carrying a energy weapon of some kind.
if anything it should be pgi who should take a looong hard look at themselves. they don't like ties then force all players to have some kind of non-ammo based weapon on their mechs or be penalized or offer a eject option should the mech have no Actual weapons or ammo left.

Considering some people here seem to actually want players to report for execution, I say let's give it to them via a keyboard command, but with an animation in which the pilot is dragged out of the Mech, hands tied behind the back, forced to kneel, before finally being shot in the back of the head with a pistol. I want that in very graphic and heart wrenching detail.

[Revis Volek]

Malagant, on 08 January 2016 - 10:03 AM, said:

I'm really tired of being told how I HAVE to play the game...really tired.

Who games is it again?

Also by definition dont most games have RULES? Even major sports?

All GAMES tell you how to play other wise its just a free for all and not really a game at all? If we dont have a definitive set of rules and guidelines how do we even know what a win or loss is? Let alone a infraction, i guess there arent any if we dont have any rules to go by!

MECH ANARCHY!

Edited by DarthRevis, 08 January 2016 - 08:21 PM.

[Pjwned]

MrMadguy, on 08 January 2016 - 12:56 AM, said:

No. Assault is problem too. Enemy team tried to cap our base - 50% was capped. We successfully defended it. I in my King Crab was left 1vs1 against only one 'Mech left at their side - Firecheater. First he tried to use his invulnerability to defeat me - he was running from me around the base for several minutes. Then, when after losing both arms he realized, that it wouldn't work - he simply ran away and hid. I was unable to both chaise him or cap their base, cuz he had speed advantage. So he simply caused running out time. He lost, but has chosen to preserve his K/D. We told him about new COC, but he ignored it.

Ok. It can be treated as tie. 1vs1 - both refuse to lose. But I think, that the fact, that faster 'Mechs has so big advantage - is unfair. He can avoid combat to preserve his K/D and run out time and I can't. And as this advantage is unfair - it should not be abused. He still had lasers left in CT. He knew, that I was unable to cap their base. But he has hidden anyway. He deserved his report for non-participation.

Securing a tie is a valid strategy even if it is a little boring in that case, getting salty about it just makes you a whiny baby.

Maybe next time defend your base better.

[Idealsuspect]

MrMadguy, on 08 January 2016 - 04:55 AM, said:

Lol. I lost my chance to win only because he gone hiding - that's what is called non-participation. Also, we don't care, what you think is acceptable. You have rules - you have to follow them. He had lasers in CT - he had a chance to win. He refused to do it. Have it contributed to his win? No. He was non-participating - he was reported.

He was smart enough for make you lose your chance to win.. next time instead cry just react better and counter him.
Or go cap his base if he come back for disallow you capping victory be better than him and finish him with your 100tons ...
But you said he don't engage you but the true is you don't wanna go search him becose in this case he will come finish the cap ..
In fact you weren't engaging too .. just camping at your base, you should report yourself after report him if you were honest but no you aren't

Edited by Idealsuspect, 08 January 2016 - 09:20 PM.

[VinJade]

I have been thinking a lot about my first few games, I moved powered down, got yelled at, one enemy comes up doesn't see me, I power up torso crit him, move, power down, and do it again.

it worked against three mechs and then they wised up and went hunting for me in groups.

[adamts01]

Mystere, on 08 January 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:

What makes you 100% sure someone is hiding to protect their KDR? Are you telepathic?

Either that, trolling or their ego can't handle being killed in a video game. It doesn't really matter.