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[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 11 January 2016 - 08:03 PM, said:

Fire Falcon: The Moth is overrated, favored almost entirely by masochists, plus speed cap might still be an issue?

Huntsman: What the Nova wishes it could be

Night Gyr: ggclose TBR, ggclose

Kingfisher: Because the Turkina is just a somewhat crappier Daishi with nothing different about it

and the kingfisher would be even crappier with it's std engine. Anyone that says they'd rather run an std over a clan xl is lying or delusional.

[LastKhan]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 January 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

and the kingfisher would be even crappier with it's std engine. Anyone that says they'd rather run an std over a clan xl is lying or delusional.

Reason why i said Kodiak if acceptable in my tweet cause neither looked good.

Edited by LastKhan, 11 January 2016 - 08:09 PM.

[FupDup]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 January 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

and the kingfisher would be even crappier with it's std engine. Anyone that says they'd rather run an std over a clan xl is lying or delusional.

If I have to choose between a crappy clone and a crappy unique mech, I would rather add the latter than the former.

Give me the choice of a powerhouse Clan assault Omni and I'll be glad to pick that one instead, but I dunno of any in the timeline.

Edited by FupDup, 11 January 2016 - 08:14 PM.

[Pariah Devalis]

FupDup, on 11 January 2016 - 08:13 PM, said:

If I have to choose between a crappy clone and a crappy unique mech, I would rather add the latter than the former.

Give me the choice of a powerhouse Clan assault Omni and I'll be glad to pick that one instead, but I dunno of any in the timeline.

Ya know... that's actually a legitimate argument. I mean, the Turkey was unique back before they gave the DWF the jump jet option. Now? I donno. I mean, it still at least brings an option for gobs of firepower on a 5 ton discount, which must count for something. It just sucks that the only other option is as anemic in free tonnage as the Executioner, but not as maneuverable.

It (the Kingfisher) would basically need to bring ECM as an option to be a worthwhile choice. Otherwise what's the point?

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 11 January 2016 - 08:24 PM.

[Alistair Winter]

lol I'm not buying any more omnimechs.




Dual gauss 75 ton endo+ff Night Gyr with jump jets, you say?

[Amer]

Fire Moth, Black Lanner, Night Gyr, Turkina

[TheDevilsIncarnate]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 January 2016 - 01:11 PM, said:

Okay.

Fire Moth (need 20 tonner)
Viper (need 40 tonner)
Night Gyr
Kingfisher (yeah it's a standard engine Omni but it goes 70 kph with tweak, has endo and ferro so has respectable tonnage and can sword and board. Also the F variant has ECM along with some future tech, future tech could be modified to current tech so the Clanner can get their ECM assault.)

Please don't say Turkina folks, it's just a Dire that isn't as good.

Turkina or I won't buy it.

[Coralld]

Pariah Devalis, on 11 January 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

What I want? That fits within 3053 timeline and is an Omnimech as per Russ' request?

Fire Moth, Huntsman, Night Gyr, *Turkina

*Turkina only because at 3053 we have just two unreleased omnimech assault mechs, and one of them, the Huntsman, only has 24 tons of pod space, making it no better than the Executioner for a weapon delivery system

More practically speaking, as to what we need?

Fire Moth, Viper (or Phantom), Night Gyr, Turkina

Fills the 20 ton and 40 ton Clan tonnage gaps we currently have.

Huntsman is a 50 ton Medium and not an Assaults, where did you hear it was an Assault?

Edited by Coralld, 11 January 2016 - 08:35 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 January 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

and the kingfisher would be even crappier with it's std engine. Anyone that says they'd rather run an std over a clan xl is lying or delusional.

Arguing it would sword and board better, well, I can't put much stock in that.

I'd FAR rather have the extra 16.5t of weapons with a cXL kitted sword and board, because that tonnage is going to get you way more mileage than not losing some speed/dissipation when you lose half the mech. 16.5t is pretty damn significant.

[Pariah Devalis]

Coralld, on 11 January 2016 - 08:31 PM, said:

Huntsman is a 50 ton Medium and not an Assaults.

Woops. I double listed Huntsman. I listed it as the Medium I intended to, and wrote its name in again instead of Kingfisher when comparing the Turkina to something else. Edited. Thanks!

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 11 January 2016 - 08:39 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Alistair Winter, on 11 January 2016 - 08:27 PM, said:

lol I'm not buying any more omnimechs.




Dual gauss 75 ton endo+ff Night Gyr with jump jets, you say?

Got to admit, the only things likely to get me to buy this pack would be a Night Gyr for a Heavy, a Huntsman for a medium, and a Piranha for a light. The rest of the heavies, meh. All the assaults, even more meh. There's other decent mediums, but the Huntsman is probably the most interesting.

But that Night Gyr, I've wanted that for ages.

[Coralld]

Pariah Devalis, on 11 January 2016 - 08:35 PM, said:

Woops. I double listed Huntsman. I listed it as the Medium I intended to, and wrote it's name in again instead of Kingfisher when comparing the Turkina to something else. Edited. Thanks!

No, thank you for clearing that up because I was soooooooooo confused.

[0bsidion]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 January 2016 - 02:45 PM, said:

here's my reasoning... the meta mechs" and the nostalgia and popular ones are locks for getting in. The only way we are going to see our more obscure mechs is to push and campaign and take any chance one can get.

Alright, I've taken a closer look at the Crossbow, and it has a whopping 16 tons of pod space. And 6 hard points max, all in the arms. Not much to like there. I get where you're coming from on obscure mechs, but this is the heavy version of a Gargles. I can't get behind it.

A mech doesn't have to have meta potential for me to like it, but it does have to bring something to the table. You managed to dig up a mech that'll be in worse shape than the poor Summoner.

The Woodsman though, 27 tons of pod space. We've got ballistics, energy, and missile mounts. Hardpoints in the STs as well as the arms. That's something I can work with. If this won the heavy vote I wouldn't be sad.

Edited: The stats I found on the Woodsman were oddly a bit off the mark. For some reason it was listed as an 80 tonner. Sarna says 75 tons so we'll go with that.

Edited by 0bsidion, 11 January 2016 - 09:07 PM.

[Wintersdark]

0bsidion, on 11 January 2016 - 08:48 PM, said:

Alright, I've taken a closer look at the Crossbow, and it has a whopping 16 tons of pod space. And 6 hard points max, all in the arms. Not much to like there. I get where you're coming from on obscure mechs, but this is the heavy version of a Gargles. I can't get behind it.

A mech doesn't have to have meta potential for me to like it, but it does have to bring something to the table. You managed to dig up a mech that'll be in worse shape than the poor Summoner.

The Woodsman though, 31.5 tons of pod space. We've got ballistics, energy, and missile mounts. Hardpoints in the STs as well as the arms. That's something I can work with. If this won the assault vote I wouldn't be sad.

This is my problem with most of the suggestions. They're for mechs that would be objectively poor in MWO. Either just very bad, or simply worse clones of existing mechs. I really don't want to see mechs added that are bottom-of-the-barrel bad.

If I felt there was any chance of those poor Clan mechs getting fixed (see: Summoner) then I'd be fine with it. However, there has been zero indication that that will happen.

[FupDup]

0bsidion, on 11 January 2016 - 08:48 PM, said:

Alright, I've taken a closer look at the Crossbow, and it has a whopping 16 tons of pod space. And 6 hard points max, all in the arms. Not much to like there. I get where you're coming from on obscure mechs, but this is the heavy version of a Gargles. I can't get behind it.

A mech doesn't have to have meta potential for me to like it, but it does have to bring something to the table. You managed to dig up a mech that'll be in worse shape than the poor Summoner.

The Woodsman though, 31.5 tons of pod space. We've got ballistics, energy, and missile mounts. Hardpoints in the STs as well as the arms. That's something I can work with. If this won the assault vote I wouldn't be sad.

Crossbow Prime is the worst.

It has only two missile hardpoints. One in each arm. 16 tons of pod space.

DERP.

It stands right up there with Gargoyle Prime and Mist Lynx Prime as some of the worst mechs in Battletech history.


If we want a sorta "hipster" Clan heavy Omni, the Linebacker would at least be somewhat presentable. It has the same basic pod space (if we count engine DHS it has 4 more tons) but some better hardpoints and a higher top speed (same speed as Stormcrow lol).

With that being said, the obvious only true answer is Night Gyr. Why? Because Night Gyr.

Edited by FupDup, 11 January 2016 - 08:57 PM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

0bsidion, on 11 January 2016 - 08:48 PM, said:

The Woodsman though, 31.5 tons of pod space. We've got ballistics, energy, and missile mounts. Hardpoints in the STs as well as the arms. That's something I can work with. If this won the heavy vote I wouldn't be sad.

FTFY

[Random Carnage]

Wintersdark, on 11 January 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

The Turkina would be flat out awful in MWO. Something less maneuverable than the Dire Wolf, with nothing to show for it. Yay.

Any less maneuverable than a Dire and it's a bunker. A bunker with no ability to take hits. Or shoot back without melting.

[0bsidion]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 11 January 2016 - 08:57 PM, said:

FTFY

Hah thanks, I actually FTFMS after I found out this site: http://ebt.trueborn....y=name,%20model was quite different from the version on Sarna. Not sure where they got their stats from.

[Bishop Steiner]

0bsidion, on 11 January 2016 - 08:48 PM, said:

Alright, I've taken a closer look at the Crossbow, and it has a whopping 16 tons of pod space. And 6 hard points max, all in the arms. Not much to like there. I get where you're coming from on obscure mechs, but this is the heavy version of a Gargles. I can't get behind it.

A mech doesn't have to have meta potential for me to like it, but it does have to bring something to the table. You managed to dig up a mech that'll be in worse shape than the poor Summoner.

The Woodsman though, 27 tons of pod space. We've got ballistics, energy, and missile mounts. Hardpoints in the STs as well as the arms. That's something I can work with. If this won the heavy vote I wouldn't be sad.

Edited: The stats I found on the Woodsman were oddly a bit off the mark. For some reason it was listed as an 80 tonner. Sarna says 75 tons so we'll go with that.

FupDup, on 11 January 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:

Crossbow Prime is the worst.

It has only two missile hardpoints. One in each arm. 16 tons of pod space.

DERP.

It stands right up there with Gargoyle Prime and Mist Lynx Prime as some of the worst mechs in Battletech history.


If we want a sorta "hipster" Clan heavy Omni, the Linebacker would at least be somewhat presentable. It has the same basic pod space (if we count engine DHS it has 4 more tons) but some better hardpoints and a higher top speed (same speed as Stormcrow lol).

With that being said, the obvious only true answer is Night Gyr. Why? Because Night Gyr.

Funny Fupdup will push for a useless kingfisher but back you on not liking a useless Crossbow

And never asked you to agree with me. SImply put out my reasoning. The "Good" mechs are a given. I'd like to see some lesser mechs make it, period.

TBH, too many people push for "meta" mechs that it's almost an irrelevant thought.

Night Gytr bores me, end of story. Whether any of you agree, I honestly don't give a ****.

Wintersdark, on 11 January 2016 - 01:34 PM, said:

Piranha, Huntsman, Night Gyr, and ... ugh.Kingfisher? STD360 on a Clam Omni? Gross. Naga? Needs Arrows.

There's really no decent timeline appropriate Omni assaults that aren't really bad.

Piranha aint an Omni.

[Ultimax]

Don't Care / Don't Care / Night Gyr / Blood Asp


Because screw the timeline!