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[TheArisen]

Gabriel Phoenix, on 15 January 2016 - 10:36 PM, said:

Here is the 3059 and below Omnimech.

Assault
Turkina ( Jade Falcon)
Savage Coyote (Clan Coyote)
KingFisher (Clan Ghost Bear)

Heavy
Woodsman ( Clan Wolf)
Linebacker (Clan Wolf)
Night Gyr (Jade Falcon)
Nova Cat (Clan Nova Cat)
Lupus ( Clan Coyote)
Crossbow ( Clan Steel Viper)


Medium
Pouncer (Clan Ghost Bear)
Lobo ( Clan Ghost Bear)
Stooping Hawk ( Smoke Jagaur)

Light
Cougar ( Jade Falcon)
Snow Fox ( Ice Hellion)
Coyotl ( Clan Coyote)
Hellion ( Clan Ice Hellion)


Now the four i would pick is Assault: Savage Coyote, Heavy: Woodman or Night Gyr, Medium : Lobo, Light: Coyotl or Hellion

No offense, but your list is a little off. You're missing a few mediums, classified a medium as a light & you're missing a some lights as well. The Coyotl is a 40 tonner. Viper, Phantom, Black Lanner are some missing mediums. Fire Moth & Fire Falcon should be in your light list.

[Pariah Devalis]

TheArisen, on 16 January 2016 - 01:05 AM, said:

No offense, but your list is a little off. You're missing a few mediums, classified a medium as a light & you're missing a some lights as well. The Coyotl is a 40 tonner. Viper, Phantom, Black Lanner are some missing mediums. Fire Moth & Fire Falcon should be in your light list.

Also missing the Huntsman. How could you? How could either of you? THe one medium omni that could compete with the Stormcrow, and in a 50 ton package no less?

[TheArisen]

Pariah Devalis, on 16 January 2016 - 04:12 AM, said:

Also missing the Huntsman. How could you? How could either of you? THe one medium omni that could compete with the Stormcrow, and in a 50 ton package no less?

Haha, hey now, I wasn't going for a comprehensive list.

Sadly, it looks like it's between the Black Lanner & Viper for the pack.

[Pariah Devalis]

Odanan compiled a list of twitter votes for mechs - at least as close as he could figure. I cannot imagine it was easy to track down every set of votes for mechs.



Observations from that relatively small slice of voting pool:

Fire Moth is wanted. Big time. No god damned question. Clan pilots want our stupidly fast upside down armed battle taxi.

Viper eeks ahead of the nearest competition, the Black Lanner - a mech I don't personally know why was wanted outside of the interesting factor - and the Huntsman - a mech I am surprised people remember even exist as it was primarily a Nova Cat medium, but is likely the only Clan medium omni of this time frame that can throw some serious shade on the Stormcrow's dominancy in the Clan medium bracket. From my perspective, we needed the 40-ton mech, and I love the Huntsman, so this bracket is looking good to me. Minor point of confusion here is that the Battle Cobra somehow has more votes than the Pouncer. Given the limitations in both frames, and that the Battle Cobra is even more limited than the Pouncer, I am a little shocked.

TheArisen, on 16 January 2016 - 04:44 AM, said:

Haha, hey now, I wasn't going for a comprehensive list.

Sadly, it looks like it's between the Black Lanner & Viper for the pack.

Seeing above, na. Very much up in the air. I suspect if they did a refinement poll to determine which of the two should be in the followup mech pack the Huntsman would win. It's just a far better overall omni. I mean, Black Lanner is a cool mech. It very much is. However it suffers from a stupidly small amount of pod space for a mech its size.

Heavies? No competition. The scary omnimech is the clear winner. Night Gyr did to its competition like what it could do to its targets on the battlefield: bully its way to the top with sheer brute force.

As expected, the assaults are pretty close. Honestly? I thought the Kingfisher was getting more votes, so seeing the Turkina in the lead - even though it is just by a single vote - made me stop and go "huh." Honestly, rather ambivalent about either of them. I still think the Kingfisher is an inferior Executioner, and the Turkina an inferior Dire Wolf. Hopefully the winner gets something to redeem it, such as an ECM for the 'Fisher or a generous torso twist range for the Turkina.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 16 January 2016 - 04:52 AM.

[Lupis Volk]

I vote Lupus since my name is partially based off that word.

[TheArisen]

This poll has the Linebacker doing ok. The Kingfisher blew away the Turkina. But the Huntsman has only gotten a couple votes.
http://mwomercs.com/...clan-omnimechs/

[Pariah Devalis]

TheArisen, on 16 January 2016 - 04:55 AM, said:

This poll has the Linebacker doing ok. The Kingfisher blew away the Turkina. But the Huntsman has only gotten a couple votes.
http://mwomercs.com/...clan-omnimechs/

Wish I knew about that poll. Also, I am saddened. Why the hell would the Black Lanner beat the Huntsman by that much? It's a bad mech. A BAD mech. It's 55 tons with, what, 16 tons of pod space? By the numbers it is terrible. We need more good options for the Medium bracket, not more filler mechs.

[Metus regem]

Pariah Devalis, on 16 January 2016 - 04:44 AM, said:

Odanan compiled a list of twitter votes for mechs - at least as close as he could figure. I cannot imagine it was easy to track down every set of votes for mechs.



Observations from that relatively small slice of voting pool:

Fire Moth is wanted. Big time. No god damned question. Clan pilots want our stupidly fast upside down armed battle taxi.

Viper eeks ahead of the nearest competition, the Black Lanner - a mech I don't personally know why was wanted outside of the interesting factor - and the Huntsman - a mech I am surprised people remember even exist as it was primarily a Nova Cat medium, but is likely the only Clan medium omni of this time frame that can throw some serious shade on the Stormcrow's dominancy in the Clan medium bracket. From my perspective, we needed the 40-ton mech, and I love the Huntsman, so this bracket is looking good to me. Minor point of confusion here is that the Battle Cobra somehow has more votes than the Pouncer. Given the limitations in both frames, and that the Battle Cobra is even more limited than the Pouncer, I am a little shocked.



Seeing above, na. Very much up in the air. I suspect if they did a refinement poll to determine which of the two should be in the followup mech pack the Huntsman would win. It's just a far better overall omni. I mean, Black Lanner is a cool mech. It very much is. However it suffers from a stupidly small amount of pod space for a mech its size.

Heavies? No competition. The scary omnimech is the clear winner. Night Gyr did to its competition like what it could do to its targets on the battlefield: bully its way to the top with sheer brute force.

As expected, the assaults are pretty close. Honestly? I thought the Kingfisher was getting more votes, so seeing the Turkina in the lead - even though it is just by a single vote - made me stop and go "huh." Honestly, rather ambivalent about either of them. I still think the Kingfisher is an inferior Executioner, and the Turkina an inferior Dire Wolf. Hopefully the winner gets something to redeem it, such as an ECM for the 'Fisher or a generous torso twist range for the Turkina.

Clearly I was the one vote for the Coyotl... Too bad as its a good 40t Mech....

[SgtMagor]

KingFisher or Turkina for assault, but since most of my rides have jump jets, Turkina would get the thumbs up!, besides having a 95ton Daishi might be a better choice than its 100ton variant...

Edited by SgtMagor, 16 January 2016 - 05:15 AM.

[Pariah Devalis]

Metus regem, on 16 January 2016 - 05:12 AM, said:

Clearly I was the one vote for the Coyotl... Too bad as its a good 40t Mech....

Wanted the Coyotl, too. I don't think he accounted for my vote change, which turned into an all medium pack (coyotle, viper, pouncer, huntsman). It really is the best mech for the 40-ton slot. Every other one is just various shades of underwhelming.

Edit:

Still think we need a Medium 4-Pack. We need that injection of lower tonnage grunt mechs, especially with 4v4 CW coming up. Otherwise, what, Shadow Cats, Ice Ferrets, or Novas against Blackjacks? Oh, that will be fun....

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 16 January 2016 - 05:29 AM.

[Metus regem]

Pariah Devalis, on 16 January 2016 - 05:20 AM, said:

Wanted the Coyotl, too. I don't think he accounted for my vote change, which turned into an all medium pack (coyotle, viper, pouncer, huntsman). It really is the best mech for the 40-ton slot. Every other one is just various shades of underwhelming.

Edit:

Still think we need a Medium 4-Pack. We need that injection of lower tonnage grunt mechs, especially with 4v4 CW coming up. Otherwise, what, Shadow Cats, Ice Ferrets, or Novas against Blackjacks? Oh, that will be fun....

You want to really make fun of the Black Liner, the Coyotl a 40t Mech only has 1t less pod space than a Mech 15t's heavier! I honestly think the Coyotl would've been a great Gunship Mech, massive payload and decent speed for it's weight.

[Pariah Devalis]

Agreed. All it needed was another variant or two that offered a ballistic option or something in the LT aside from a missile hardpoint. It's the only good 40 ton mech.

Sadly, I think it has the same problem as the Huntsman, only a bit worse: "What's a Coyotl?"

[Metus regem]

Pariah Devalis, on 16 January 2016 - 05:38 AM, said:

Agreed. All it needed was another variant or two that offered a ballistic option or something in the LT aside from a missile hardpoint. It's the only good 40 ton mech.

Sadly, I think it has the same problem as the Huntsman, only a bit worse: "What's a Coyotl?"

To that I say "Lazy peasant, do your home work on mechs."

But about a different LT, it's why I designed my Beta version with a UAC-5 in there with 2 or 3 tons of ammo, and basically ERML everywhere else, just to give it something different... Hell I still say she was better than her 'replacement', the Dragonfly (Viper)....

Edited by Metus regem, 16 January 2016 - 05:45 AM.

[Pariah Devalis]

Metus regem, on 16 January 2016 - 05:44 AM, said:

To that I say "Lazy peasant, do your home work on mechs."

But about a different LT, it's why I designed my Beta version with a UAC-5 in there with 2 or 3 tons of ammo, and basically ERML everywhere else, just to give it something different... Hell I still say she was better than her 'replacement', the Dragonfly (Viper)....

Low bar to set. Unless, of course, that bar was using its 8 jump jets. 8. Jump jets.

Don't get me wrong, I love how my Shadow Cat flies with 6, but I'd knock off 2 in a heartbeat. 8? God damn. For a mech its size, 2 tons of freed up space would be huge!

[Metus regem]

Pariah Devalis, on 16 January 2016 - 05:46 AM, said:

Low bar to set. Unless, of course, that bar was using its 8 jump jets. 8. Jump jets.

Don't get me wrong, I love how my Shadow Cat flies with 6, but I'd knock off 2 in a heartbeat. 8? God damn. For a mech its size, 2 tons of freed up space would be huge!

Doubly so, as she is so tonnage starved, not even 25% of her weight is available for pod space on the Dragonfly (Viper), if anything it is just going to reinforce the laser vomit game play, same for the Black Lanner....

Oh gods! I was just looking it up, the Black Lanner, looks like she has 13t of pod space.... Seems to be the consistent amount free across the Prime, Alpha, beta and Delta.. The Charley seems to be an odd duck, as its crit locations do not match the the other four I listed, as well as having less pod space.

[Pariah Devalis]

Metus regem, on 16 January 2016 - 05:57 AM, said:

Doubly so, as she is so tonnage starved, not even 25% of her weight is available for pod space on the Dragonfly (Viper), if anything it is just going to reinforce the laser vomit game play, same for the Black Lanner....

Oh gods! I was just looking it up, the Black Lanner, looks like she has 13t of pod space.... Seems to be the consistent amount free across the Prime, Alpha, beta and Delta.. The Charley seems to be an odd duck, as its crit locations do not match the the other four I listed, as well as having less pod space.

http://webspace.webr...space_final.pdf

Oh gods. You are correct. I thought it had 16 tons of pod space. Only 13. 13!!!!!

Edit: and people are defending it based on its hardpoints. What the hell were they going to put in it with 16 tons of pod space, let alone 13?

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 16 January 2016 - 06:08 AM.

[Metus regem]

Pariah Devalis, on 16 January 2016 - 06:05 AM, said:

http://webspace.webr...space_final.pdf

Oh gods. You are correct. I thought it had 16 tons of pod space. Only 13. 13!!!!!

If anything all it does is make the Coyotl look even better, more pod space a Mech 15t heavier....

[Pariah Devalis]

Metus regem, on 16 January 2016 - 06:08 AM, said:

If anything all it does is make the Coyotl look even better, more pod space a Mech 15t heavier....

Me thinks there was either a lack of critical thinking skills going on, or a lack of people researching their options. I'm not sure what is the larger factor: laziness or stupidity. "But it has insane hardpoints!" To fill with, what, packing foam? It is literally a worse Shadow Cat. It cannot jump, it cannot shoot, is a larger profile, and has worse hardpoint locations.

By comparison, the Coyotl, though scant in hardpoints, has tonnage to use them. The Huntsman, otoh, has gobs and gobs of interesting hardpoint configurations and 24 tons to use them.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 16 January 2016 - 06:11 AM.

[Metus regem]

Pariah Devalis, on 16 January 2016 - 06:10 AM, said:

Me thinks there was either a lack of critical thinking skills going on, or a lack of people researching their options. I'm not sure what is the larger factor: laziness or stupidity. "But it has insane hardpoints!" To fill with, what, packing foam? It is literally a worse Shadow Cat. It cannot jump, it cannot shoot, is a larger profile, and has worse hardpoint locations.

By comparison, the Coyotl, though scant in hardpoints, has tonnage to use them. The Huntsman, otoh, has gobs and gobs of interesting hardpoint configurations and 24 tons to use them.

Yup....

Well the Prime and Alpha have ECM in the head locations.... But ECM isn't as powerful now...

[Pariah Devalis]

Metus regem, on 16 January 2016 - 06:13 AM, said:

Yup....

Well the Prime and Alpha have ECM in the head locations.... But ECM isn't as powerful now...

Tell me how much the ECM is saving the Shadow Cat. :\