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[Coralld]

RedDevil, on 23 January 2016 - 10:51 PM, said:

There are no mechs that can replace those. We already have the best mechs. So with that out of the way, I want the mechs I want.

There would be less tears if this game was finally balanced on some sort of Battle Value rather than tonnage, which is just stupid.

Never said to replace but merely to compete and add something to the line up. The Huntsman is a 50t mech with the capacity to match the Crow in flexibility and firepower. Will it knock the Crow off it's purch as best Clan Medium? Probably not. Will it be able to compete and give the Crow a good run for it's money? You bet you mechs shiny metal arse it can.
We don't need the next go too power creep mech but what the Clan do need is another mech that can be viable. Also, what ever the Blanner can do so can the Huntsman, other than an ECM crutch runner.

Edited by Coralld, 24 January 2016 - 08:27 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Wintersdark, on 24 January 2016 - 01:42 AM, said:

The turkey and kingfisher, definitely not. They're at best mediocre entries that are only remotely considered because theres nothing else worthwhile.

The Kodiak, at least, is a battlemech, so it avoids the pitfalls that ruin both the other two and most of the other Omnimechs in discussion: being Omnimechs in PGI's crazy world of locked everything.

Maybe not amazing, but at least it's adaptable to whatever you want, rather than just being a potato.

STD360? Direwolf 2.0 (or 0.9, depending on how its maneuverability pans out)? Blah.

The Kodiak may not be All That And A Biscuit, but at least it brings more variety to the table, and Ghost Bear Awesomesauce.

Vapor Eagle would be way cooler

[Y E O N N E]

All these ****** mediums being mentioned when we have the Grendel as a thing in 3053.

Clans want their Blackjack competitor? Here it is.

[Pariah Devalis]

Coralld, on 24 January 2016 - 07:59 AM, said:

Never said to replace but merely to compete and add something to the line up. The Huntsman is a 50t mech with the capacity to match the Crow in flexibility and firepower. Will it knock the Crow off it's purch as best Clan Medium? Probably not. Will it be able to compete and give the Crow a good run for it's money? You bet you mechs shiny metal arse it can.
We don't need the next go too power creep mech but what the Clan do need is another mech that can be viable. Also, what ever the Blanner can do so can the Huntsman, other than an ECM crutch runner.

Thank you. Was about to reply to him the same. The Huntsman absolutely can trade blows fairly equally with the Stormcrow. We have great mechs left - just because you are unaware of them doesn't make them suddenly not exist. Plus, with CW supposedly being what PGI wants to focus on (whether or not we agree with the current gameplay and state of it), we need the medium mech tonnage flexibility. How long do you think we'll have this incredible tonnage range? When they drop that back down, we'll be hamstrung by our poor pool of choices.

[Bishop Steiner]

Yeonne Greene, on 24 January 2016 - 09:18 AM, said:

All these ****** mediums being mentioned when we have the Grendel as a thing in 3053.

Clans want their Blackjack competitor? Here it is.

11.5 tons of pod space say no thanks

I'll take my fully customizable Vapor Eagle which even stock, comes with 19.5 tons for guns, and one of the best hardpoint distributions one could ask for.
http://battletech.rp...ctory_frame.php

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 24 January 2016 - 09:24 AM.

[Pariah Devalis]

Yeonne Greene, on 24 January 2016 - 09:18 AM, said:

All these ****** mediums being mentioned when we have the Grendel as a thing in 3053.

Clans want their Blackjack competitor? Here it is.

Bishop Steiner, on 24 January 2016 - 09:22 AM, said:

11.5 tons of pod space say no thanks

Yep. I rather take a Pouncer.

[Bishop Steiner]

Pariah Devalis, on 24 January 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

Yep. I rather take a Pouncer.

I like the Grendel but it's basically ends up being a humanoid Shadowcat

[Pariah Devalis]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 January 2016 - 09:25 AM, said:

I like the Grendel but it's basically ends up being a humanoid Shadowcat

Yep. Except trading Hardpoint shortages for Podspace shortages. :\ Not that it has very many hardpoints, but by comparison.....

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 24 January 2016 - 09:26 AM.

[Y E O N N E]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 January 2016 - 09:25 AM, said:

I like the Grendel but it's basically ends up being a humanoid Shadowcat

With one crucial, crucial difference:

It could easily mount four C-MPL.

Combined with JJs and a lolfast top speed, do not underestimate that. People underestimated the BJ-1X even before it got superquirked, and it got many of them killed. It's far, far better than the Shadow Cat.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 24 January 2016 - 09:37 AM.

[FupDup]

Yeonne Greene, on 24 January 2016 - 09:18 AM, said:

All these ****** mediums being mentioned when we have the Grendel as a thing in 3053.

Clans want their Blackjack competitor? Here it is.

You have inspired me to make yet another mech spreadsheet. Curse you...



So its obvious strengths are being quite fast for a medium, having even better jumping than the Scat, and having Clan tech available to mount in it.

Its weaknesses seem to be below average pod space (less than Shadow Cat) and a shortage of hardpoints for guns.

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Something else of concern is the mounting height of the arm weapons...the artwork above shows the right arm mounted high but the left arm mounted low.

The problem is that MWO doesn't support that level of asymmetry. MWO is all or nothing. In MWO, both arms must be high or both arms must be low.

Trying to make that left arm with the fist into a high-arm would probably turn out weird as heck, so I would expect them to treat it like a Dragon or Victor and make the right arm into a low arm. As such, this probably removes the possibility of having high-mounted arms as an advantage.

Torso hardpoints are debatable for mounting height...but severely lacking in quantity.

Edited by FupDup, 24 January 2016 - 09:41 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Yeonne Greene, on 24 January 2016 - 09:37 AM, said:

With one crucial, crucial difference:

It could easily mount four C-MPL.

Combined with JJs and a lolfast top speed, do not underestimate that. People underestimated the BJ-1X even before it got superquirked, and it got many of them killed. It's far, far better than the Shadow Cat.

OK, so what you are saying is it can emulate ONE build of one variant of the BJ?

Cuz it sure can't match it for dakka, or run dual PPC

[Y E O N N E]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 January 2016 - 09:40 AM, said:

OK, so what you are saying is it can emulate ONE build of one variant of the BJ?

Cuz it sure can't match it for dakka, or run dual PPC

Do you see BJs running Dakka or Dual PPCs often? No? Neither do I. It's usually me doing that and, if it isn't, it's usually killed by me because I make a habit of hunting other people using my favorite 'Mechs. Damn impostors, all of 'em!

What most people want out of the SHC, which they were hoping to be good because it's light and can save CW drop-deck tonnage, is one or two more E hard-points. The Grendel is exactly that. Even with more tonnage freed by unlocking JJs or MASC, the SHC can never mount more energy weapons and the ones it has to take to get the damage to 30 are slow.

Also, subjective opinion, the Vapor Eagle looks stupid. Most of the Medium and Light 'Mechs PGI has been releasing look stupid, which is why I don't buy them. I want a new one, and for once I'd like it to look something like a war machine and not be another freaky humanoid form-factor thing that runs around the map with its arms held looking like a Hanna-Barbera cartoon character.

[Bishop Steiner]

Yeonne Greene, on 24 January 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

Do you see BJs running Dakka or Dual PPCs often? No? Neither do I. It's usually me doing that and, if it isn't, it's usually killed by me because I make a habit of hunting other people using my favorite 'Mechs. Damn impostors, all of 'em!

What most people want out of the SHC, which they were hoping to be good because it's light and can save CW drop-deck tonnage, is one or two more E hard-points. The Grendel is exactly that. Even with more tonnage freed by unlocking JJs or MASC, the SHC can never mount more energy weapons and the ones it has to take to get the damage to 30 are slow.

Also, subjective opinion, the Vapor Eagle looks stupid. Most of the Medium and Light 'Mechs PGI has been releasing look stupid, which is why I don't buy them. I want a new one, and for once I'd like it to look something like a war machine and not be another freaky humanoid form-factor thing that runs around the map with its arms held looking like a Hanna-Barbera cartoon character.

Looks are meaningless since Alex updates them. And the Grendel wins no awards, either.

And yes, I do see plenty of dual PPC BJ3 around, and with the changes in AC2s, they are not uncommon (outside maybe comp drops), nor are the old AC20/Mlaser BJ1s exactly missing in action. Also see a fair number of Arrows.

But glad to see the only objective is to continue to feed a stale meta

[Metus regem]

FupDup, on 24 January 2016 - 09:39 AM, said:

You have inspired me to make yet another mech spreadsheet. Curse you...



So its obvious strengths are being quite fast for a medium, having even better jumping than the Scat, and having Clan tech available to mount in it.

Its weaknesses seem to be below average pod space (less than Shadow Cat) and a shortage of hardpoints for guns.

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Something else of concern is the mounting height of the arm weapons...the artwork above shows the right arm mounted high but the left arm mounted low.

The problem is that MWO doesn't support that level of asymmetry. MWO is all or nothing. In MWO, both arms must be high or both arms must be low.

Trying to make that left arm with the fist into a high-arm would probably turn out weird as heck, so I would expect them to treat it like a Dragon or Victor and make the right arm into a low arm. As such, this probably removes the possibility of having high-mounted arms as an advantage.

Torso hardpoints are debatable for mounting height...but severely lacking in quantity.

Wow that hunk of scrap is helping to make the Coyotl look even better... Yes she may not have a ton of hard points, but at least the ones she has are high mounts like Ebon Jaguar...

Edited by Metus regem, 24 January 2016 - 01:57 PM.

[DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 January 2016 - 09:15 AM, said:

Vapor Eagle would be way cooler

He said 3053, Vapor Eagle is 3055 so sorry nope... It's from a Clan not even in the game, has ATM's, and is a Battlemech sorry fits none of the criteria for being a 3053 Omnimech with current tech.

Edited by DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley, 24 January 2016 - 05:48 PM.

[Coralld]

DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley, on 24 January 2016 - 05:46 PM, said:

He said 3053, Vapor Eagle is 3055 so sorry nope... It's from a Clan not even in the game, has ATM's, and is a Battlemech sorry fits none of the criteria for being a 3053 Omnimech with current tech.

The production year for the Vapor Eagle is 2863. The fact that Its from a Clan that's not in the game is irrelevant as the Clans traded and claimed mechs from each other just like the IS. The ATMs is really the only kind of issue but that's only on 2 of the 4 varients. Russ said he would much rather have the mechs as Omnis but he did not specifically say they had to be as far as I recall.

Edited by Coralld, 24 January 2016 - 07:21 PM.

[Zordicron]

lol, well, I skipped a bit(got tired of reading at page 13)

I thought Russ wasn;t going to have mech packs anymore? heh. Must have noticed the profit margins were not as good or something.

I would STRONGLY prefer the new unseen style we have been getting, I have grown tired of a good assault or heavy being the carrot for pre-ordering some medium or light mech i do not actually want(at least not for real money.... Wolfhound...)

Anyway, there is no omni mech left that I actually would pay real money for, at least I don;t think there is, even after reading the first dozen pages of suggestions.

There are several mechs on my list, most are IS, but some are clan(or are brought back to IS by clans so that counts IMO)


Supernova. But they better not F up those arm pods, OR ELSE.
Stone Rhino
Annihilator
Grizzley
That lol MG spam one with like 13 MG points or whatever it was(just because I would actually use it that way)
Glass Spider so I can haz clan Jager with a hat.


As for stuff that kinda fits Russ' question
Battle Cobra(not sure if it is a worth while mech but it has a neat looking design)
Lupus(std engine though)
Naga(would have to switch out for regular LRM though)
Night Gyr

Anything else called a clan mech that I know of would be one of those "wait and see" type that I would wait for it to release unless it looked supah awesome. I am not even sure I would pre order the stuff I put in the "Russ" list, would have to see artwork. Mostly, i want the 3 assaults I listed, and would buy a couple others if they were in a regular unseen style pack so long as the artwork turned out.

Lots of IS stuff on my short list yet, lots of stuff from pre-clan really. Not sure how PGI is going to keep the release of new mechs roughly equaled out in the future, not much clammer stuff left IMO thats worth while outside of the battlemechs we don;t have.

[Cy Mitchell]

This seems to be the hottest thread on the forum so in case the MWOnline devs are watching it, I want to add my preferences.

There are only two Clan 'Mechs pre-circa 3053 that I really want to see added. Those are the Firemoth (Dasher) and the Black Lanner. Both are fast, highly versatile designs that can fill multiple roles and play styles. They would perfectly complement the existing stable of light and medium 'Mechs.

I already have access to all the heavies I need with the Hellbringer, Mad Dog, Mad Cat and Summoner.

I won't care about getting an assault until 3066 when the Mad Cat M II becomes available.

P.S. If you add those first two 'Mechs that I mentioned, I will pre-order them now!

Edited by Rampage, 04 February 2016 - 11:27 AM.

[ScarecrowES]

Linebacker. Do want.

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