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[Revis Volek]

Light: Fire Falcon (25 Tons)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Fire_Falcon

Medium: Battle Cobra OR Pouncer (Both 40 Tons)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Battle_Cobra
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Pouncer

Heavy: Woodsman OR Night Gyr (Both 75 Tons)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Woodsman

Assault: Kingfisher (90 Tons)
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Kingfisher

[pbiggz]

Beware of the low podspace mediums guys. experience says they dont translate well into this game.

Also, I see alot of people asking for the turkina, if you ask for it, be sure to tell russ you expect the thing to move way faster than it does stock, thats important, and it better jump.

IronClaws, on 11 January 2016 - 03:47 PM, said:

It would be like comparing a Highlander to a King Crab or Atlas. Also, I believe that there are only two or three Clan Assault Omnis that are available in 3050-3053 that are not already in the game (Omnis, not 2nd-Line).

No he's right. The turkina moves 52 kph. Its got a 285 xl so even though its 5 tons lighter its just as slow and with its hard points and hard wired jumpjets its strictly worse than the direwolf. Remember its an omnimech, its engine is locked.

Edited by pbiggz, 11 January 2016 - 03:58 PM.

[Revis Volek]

pbiggz, on 11 January 2016 - 03:55 PM, said:

Beware of the low podspace mediums guys. experience says they dont translate well into this game.

Also, I see alot of people asking for the turkina, if you ask for it, be sure to tell russ you expect the thing to move way faster than it does stock, thats important

Most of our mediums have low pod space already, i just want a 40 tonner that is decent.

[Gas Guzzler]

IronClaws, on 11 January 2016 - 03:47 PM, said:

It would be like comparing a Highlander to a King Crab or Atlas. Also, I believe that there are only two or three Clan Assault Omnis that are available in 3050-3053 that are not already in the game (Omnis, not 2nd-Line).

Do you understand that if the speed is the same (Dire Wolf and Turkina both go the same speed) the maneuverability is identical?

Night Gyr,Warhawk and Kodiak (w/400XL) will all go 70 kph, and have the same agility.

So a Highlander that goes 52 kph will have the same agility as an Atlas or King Crab that goes 52.

Does that make sense? There is no agility benefit from dropping tonnage if you still go the same speed. Torso twist speed, turn rate, etc are all the same.

[Revis Volek]

IronClaws, on 11 January 2016 - 03:18 PM, said:

The Turkina is 95 tons, so it would be slightly more maneuverable than the Dire, but will have nearly as much weaponry (think Executioner more pod space).

NO it wont, Maneuverability in this game is tied to engine size. Its doesn't have a larger engine then the DWF nor will its movmentype be different so it wont climb hills better and wont twist faster or anything like that.

Its a gimped DWF...

[Commander A9]

Let's see...

Light: Cougar (www.sarna.net/wiki/Cougar)
Medium: Hellhound
Heavy: Ares (was in Mechwarrior 4: Mercenaries) or Linebacker (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Linebacker)
Assault: Mad Cat. Mk II (http://www.sarna.net...i/Mad_Cat_Mk_II) or Bane/Kraken (http://www.sarna.net...ne_%28Kraken%29) or Deimos (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Deimos)

[Ace Selin]

Fire Falcon
Mongrel (Grendel)
Night Gyr
Kingfisher

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Fire Falcon, Black Lanner, Linebacker, Turkina

The Night Gyr can sub for the Linebacker, but it's a far less interesting mech.

[TELEFORCE]

Commander A9, on 11 January 2016 - 04:01 PM, said:

Let's see...

Light: Cougar (www.sarna.net/wiki/Cougar)
Medium: Hellhound
Heavy: Ares (was in Mechwarrior 4: Mercenaries) or Linebacker (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Linebacker)
Assault: Mad Cat. Mk II (http://www.sarna.net...i/Mad_Cat_Mk_II) or Bane/Kraken (http://www.sarna.net...ne_%28Kraken%29) or Deimos (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Deimos)

The Ares isn't a canon omnimech. It was created by MekTek for its unofficial MW4 expansions. The Linebacker would be an interesting fast heavy to have though.

The Mad Cat Mk. II and the Cougar are out of the time window Russ requested.

The Conjurer is basically a Wolverine IIC, which I think is fine as I like the Wolverine.

Edited by TELEFORCE, 11 January 2016 - 04:11 PM.

[Lightfoot]

Pirahna, Goshawk, Night Gyr or Huntsman, Kingfisher. These are good choices.

Woodsman also because it has Pirate/Forbidden clan lore.

Edited by Lightfoot, 11 January 2016 - 07:56 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 January 2016 - 03:57 PM, said:

Do you understand that if the speed is the same (Dire Wolf and Turkina both go the same speed) the maneuverability is identical?

Night Gyr,Warhawk and Kodiak (w/400XL) will all go 70 kph, and have the same agility.

So a Highlander that goes 52 kph will have the same agility as an Atlas or King Crab that goes 52.

Does that make sense? There is no agility benefit from dropping tonnage if you still go the same speed. Torso twist speed, turn rate, etc are all the same.

But then quirks, because the PeaceDove gets some, doesn't it?
Just so you don't get his hopes up. HGN gets massive ones.

[Gas Guzzler]

Mcgral18, on 11 January 2016 - 04:15 PM, said:

But then quirks, because the PeaceDove gets some, doesn't it?
Just so you don't get his hopes up. HGN gets massive ones.

Yeah I was ignoring quirks just to get my point across because I think he thinks that a lighter mech going the same speed has more agility.

I guess the Turkina has an ECM variant as well, but I feel the Kingfisher would be a better fit to get ECM. All they would have to do is trade the HAG30 for a standard Gauss rifle and extra ton of ammo.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 11 January 2016 - 04:17 PM.

[pbiggz]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 11 January 2016 - 04:05 PM, said:

Fire Falcon, Black Lanner, Linebacker, Turkina

The Night Gyr can sub for the Linebacker, but it's a far less interesting mech.

17.5 tons of podspace on a 65 tonner? **** that noise. Your mech is garbage.

Id rather have the night gyr stuffed up my rear then have a linebacker put in the game, its useless.

The Night Gyr has 38 tons of podspace AFTER jumpjets and AFTER FULL ARMOR.

Edited by pbiggz, 11 January 2016 - 04:18 PM.

[Dagorlad13]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 January 2016 - 03:57 PM, said:

Do you understand that if the speed is the same (Dire Wolf and Turkina both go the same speed) the maneuverability is identical?

Night Gyr,Warhawk and Kodiak (w/400XL) will all go 70 kph, and have the same agility.

So a Highlander that goes 52 kph will have the same agility as an Atlas or King Crab that goes 52.

Does that make sense? There is no agility benefit from dropping tonnage if you still go the same speed. Torso twist speed, turn rate, etc are all the same.

I would love to have the Kodiak in game, but Russ was asking for Omnis, so that means pretty much the Turkina, or Kingfisher for this timeline. Maybe the Kingfisher would be better since it has a standard engine, though.

[Mcgral18]

pbiggz, on 11 January 2016 - 04:17 PM, said:

17.5 tons of podspace on a 65 tonner? **** that noise. Your mech is garbage.

Id rather have the night gyr stuffed up my rear then have a linebacker put in the game, its useless.

The Night Gyr has 38 tons of podspace AFTER jumpjets and AFTER FULL ARMOR.

16.5 and 37.5, actually

[Gas Guzzler]

IronClaws, on 11 January 2016 - 04:21 PM, said:

I would love to have the Kodiak in game, but Russ was asking for Omnis, so that means pretty much the Turkina, or Kingfisher for this timeline. Maybe the Kingfisher would be better since it has a standard engine, though.

Kodiak is probably going to be a separate single pack. I was just trying to express to you that agility is tied to speed, and since the Turkina is no faster than the Dire, it will be just as agile.

I feel like the Kingfisher offers more of something different, whereas the Turkina is too similar to the Dire Wolf, just not quite as good. I'm sure it wouldn't even be bad, its just too similar, and I think it would be cool to have something a little different. Kingfisher is also a better candidate for getting ECM in my opinion.

Mcgral18, on 11 January 2016 - 04:24 PM, said:

16.5 and 37.5, actually

Just a chip off the legs for the Night Gyr. Perfect for dual gauss + 6 tons and 4 ER MLs and 4 extra DHS.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 11 January 2016 - 04:27 PM.

[pbiggz]

Mcgral18, on 11 January 2016 - 04:24 PM, said:

16.5 and 37.5, actually

Please dont ask for the linebacker. I don't want to put a Night Gyr in my rear...

[GRiPSViGiL]

Make it easy on him to get your money....more mechs....less actual development of long term sustainability. I think we all know how this goes by now.

[Raziberry]

Fire Moth - I don't care if they gimp the speed, it's a classic and we need a 20-tonner.
Viper - amazing maneuverability, it's a classic, and we need a 40-tonner.
Grizzly - I love the Summoner, but we need a 70-tonne 'Mech that isn't gimped with the Omni restrictions. The Grizzly's a solid heavy BattleMech. If it needs to be an Omni, then the Night Gyr is the only logical choice. The Linebacker would be just another 65-tonner.
Kingfisher - It'll fill the 90-tonne slot nicely. Solid hitter, no XL.

[Flutterguy]

IronClaws, on 11 January 2016 - 04:21 PM, said:

I would love to have the Kodiak in game, but Russ was asking for Omnis, so that means pretty much the Turkina, or Kingfisher for this timeline. Maybe the Kingfisher would be better since it has a standard engine, though.

He said "ideally" and frankly both the Kingfisher and Turkina are so bad that we should probably assume that there is no ideal 4 mechs that meet his ideal criteria.

Edited by Flutterguy, 11 January 2016 - 04:30 PM.