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Wintersdark, on 14 January 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

This is why I don't like the Timberwolf very much. Yes, it's perfect for Laser Vomit. A big engine just allows you to cram in more DHS, after all, and lasers don't require much tonnage. But as soon as you want to start having builds that aren't stupidly boring, those tonnage limits really get irritating.

So instead you want crit space limits ala the Warhawk? Just saying it is still far from perfect, but you will be able to dakka to your hearts content so it does have that.

Also, the inability to run 2 LPL-2 Gauss-ECM-1 JJ on the Blood Asp made me really sad, I think it is possible without the JJ so that's still a plus, but you can't load it quite as nicely as I would like (like you can on the Whale).

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 14 January 2016 - 07:38 AM.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 January 2016 - 07:36 AM, said:

So instead you want crit space limits ala the Warhawk? Just saying it is still far from perfect, but you will be able to dakka to your hearts content so it does have that.

Options my friend, options.

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Wintersdark, on 14 January 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

And thus, why we really need to get some slower mechs for Clans, with more pod space. Almost all our current mechs are faster ones with limited pod space, which is great if laser vomit every day is your bag, or if you just like going fast. But because of locked engines, the only options for those who want to bring Moar Gunz is IIC mechs - and those we have right now are fun, and while not bad, they're not exactly modeled after the best IS chassis and thus they all feature... Unfortunate geometry.

Which is part of the reason the Kingfisher could be the best 90 ton mech we have, it has MUCH better hardpoints than the HGN IIC, and while it doesn't have much tonnage, its enough for laser vomit which the HGN could never hope for.

In any case, the Clans have heavies that are mobile and good for laser vomit, I think something different like the Night Gyr (or Nova Cat, but I think the Gyr will be better IMO) would be great.

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 January 2016 - 07:36 AM, said:

So instead you want crit space limits ala the Warhawk?

Did you know the Turkina only has 5 free slots in each side torso? 5..

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Navid A1, on 14 January 2016 - 12:32 AM, said:

tell me ONE... just ONE reason why you don't want it. Its an iconic clan nova cat mech (i cant be the only clan nova cat fan here)
screw the timeline

-Russ Bullock: "around 3053"

timeline says the feelings mutual....

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 14 January 2016 - 08:01 AM.

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Xhaleon, on 14 January 2016 - 02:02 AM, said:

Because it's technically a downgraded Night Gyr and is a boring energy boat Omni in a game full of energy boat Omnis. At least, the Gyr won't start out as one.

Well, in fairness, the NovaKitty is not jsut a PewPewBoat.

-Alt config B is a nice Missile boat
Alternate Configuration B deviates from the formula of the Primary and Alternate Configurations greatly, as it is a missile boat rather than a sniper, being equipped with six LRM-15s. A pair of ER Medium Lasers provide short-range backup

-Charlie is a nice PewPewDakkaDakka machine
The C configuration, like the B is not all energy weapons, and is equipped with two Ultra AC/5s, one LB 5-X AC and Two Large Pulse Lasers. This makes it very potent against aircraft

and the Alpha adds JJs.

So it's actually a pretty rounded mech (literally, too), though it lack sthe precious MetaHillHumperHardpoints.

I very much want it.... when we start adding 3060ish tech and mechs.

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Xhaleon, on 14 January 2016 - 02:37 AM, said:

Question 3: How long before you realize that you're on an island for realsies?

well, he has at least 1-2 other guyz to keep him company there, though. Good news is I hear they have MW4 Mektek on the island and can play NovaCatz n MiffedKitty mk2s to their hearts content until PGI does decide it's time to advance far enough to have those mechs.....

Wintersdark, on 14 January 2016 - 03:00 AM, said:

... And the Nova Cat arms are significantly higher, at least according to Sarna artwork. Honestly, even excluding tonnage, I'd prefer the Nova Cat. More room for big guns AND the tonnage to use them.

so would I, TBH.... if Russ hadn't said "3053ish".

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Wintersdark, on 14 January 2016 - 03:00 AM, said:

... And the Nova Cat arms are significantly higher, at least according to Sarna artwork. Honestly, even excluding tonnage, I'd prefer the Nova Cat. More room for big guns AND the tonnage to use them.

I only worry that the Nova Cat will have the old Dragon problem of a potbelly weapons catcher CT, as that could be a serious problem for it, as it will not have the Dragon's option of using a larger engine to off the large CT through twisting at high speed, nor will it have the option to go very quick to try and minimize it's exposure time.

That being said, I'd rather the Nova Cat over another Jade Turkey design.

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Widowmaker1981, on 14 January 2016 - 04:27 AM, said:

You must not actually play CW... IS assaults are a staple. A lot of us are running 2 85 ton assaults and 2 blackjacks, largely on the principle that against most teams you can just assault smash them and not even use the BJs. Battlemasters, Stalkers and to a lesser extent Banshees are all over CW.

ah the "you don't see what I see in tier 1 metatryhard drops, so you must not CW" argument....

SMH.

Of course. Silly me.

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Gas Guzzler, on 14 January 2016 - 07:46 AM, said:

Did you know the Turkina only has 5 free slots in each side torso? 5..

Yeah, and it makes me sad, which is why I really don't care much one way or the other about Kingfisher vs Turkina because they both have their problems and it still isn't a Blood Asp. Outside of that I would totally be down for a Mad IIC, it won't be like it was in the MW4-HC mod but I would still be happy.

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Widowmaker1981, on 14 January 2016 - 04:56 AM, said:

Im the reverse. Imo the Cat is better (pretty damn high mounted arms, and ability to do fully articulated triple UAC5 double LPL definitely does it for me), and it would be nice to have another good even tonnage mech. My OCD goes crazy if my CW dropdeck is even 5 tons underweight.

and you must not research...
http://www.solaris7....Info.asp?ID=997
ALL variants available of the NovaCat have only SH+UA actuators, plus being an Omni, automatically would lose the LA actuator once you mount Ballistics or PPCs anyhow. So not, NOT "fully articulated".

They are decently high, though. And most importantly, those shoulders should let you roll some serious damage away from the torsos.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 14 January 2016 - 08:09 AM.

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Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2016 - 07:59 AM, said:

Well, in fairness, the NovaKitty is not jsut a PewPewBoat.

-Alt config B is a nice Missile boat
Alternate Configuration B deviates from the formula of the Primary and Alternate Configurations greatly, as it is a missile boat rather than a sniper, being equipped with six LRM-15s. A pair of ER Medium Lasers provide short-range backup

-Charlie is a nice PewPewDakkaDakka machine
The C configuration, like the B is not all energy weapons, and is equipped with two Ultra AC/5s, one LB 5-X AC and Two Large Pulse Lasers. This makes it very potent against aircraft

and the Alpha adds JJs.

So it's actually a pretty rounded mech (literally, too), though it lack sthe precious MetaHillHumperHardpoints.

I very much want it.... when we start adding 3060ish tech and mechs.

Yea.. damn that 3060-ish era... I'd like my Cougar dang nabbit... but 3058 as a start of construction is a ways off, even if Prime, Alpha, Beta, Charlie and Delta all have current in game tech... Although it is in TRO 3060, and we do have mechs out of TRO 3058 already....

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 January 2016 - 07:36 AM, said:

So instead you want crit space limits ala the Warhawk? Just saying it is still far from perfect, but you will be able to dakka to your hearts content so it does have that.

Also, the inability to run 2 LPL-2 Gauss-ECM-1 JJ on the Blood Asp made me really sad, I think it is possible without the JJ so that's still a plus, but you can't load it quite as nicely as I would like (like you can on the Whale).

arms are pretty low, so I'm not THAT impressed with it's fabled dakka ability. Arms only have 8 slots, torsos 5, so it's a little cramped, too, IMO. I think a lot of people are going to find it almost too cramped to use all the tonnage in all the diverse ways they think they can.

Metus regem, on 14 January 2016 - 08:11 AM, said:

Yea.. damn that 3060-ish era... I'd like my Cougar dang nabbit... but 3058 as a start of construction is a ways off, even if Prime, Alpha, Beta, Charlie and Delta all have current in game tech... Although it is in TRO 3060, and we do have mechs out of TRO 3058 already....

because TRO dates and Mech Introduction dates are not one and the same?

Gas Guzzler, on 14 January 2016 - 07:46 AM, said:

Which is part of the reason the Kingfisher could be the best 90 ton mech we have, it has MUCH better hardpoints than the HGN IIC, and while it doesn't have much tonnage, its enough for laser vomit which the HGN could never hope for.

In any case, the Clans have heavies that are mobile and good for laser vomit, I think something different like the Night Gyr (or Nova Cat, but I think the Gyr will be better IMO) would be great.



Did you know the Turkina only has 5 free slots in each side torso? 5..

still better than only one torso with room, period.

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Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2016 - 08:14 AM, said:

arms are pretty low, so I'm not THAT impressed with it's fabled dakka ability. Arms only have 8 slots, torsos 5, so it's a little cramped, too, IMO. I think a lot of people are going to find it almost too cramped to use all the tonnage in all the diverse ways they think they can.


because TRO dates and Mech Introduction dates are not one and the same?

I know, Shadow Cat is a 3003 start of production... just saying she could've been in TRO 3055 rather than '58... but you know power creep and all that...

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 January 2016 - 08:07 AM, said:

Yeah, and it makes me sad, which is why I really don't care much one way or the other about Kingfisher vs Turkina because they both have their problems and it still isn't a Blood Asp. Outside of that I would totally be down for a Mad IIC, it won't be like it was in the MW4-HC mod but I would still be happy.

Truth.

Which is why I would prefer a Clan Battlemech or IIC pack at this juncture, and then maybe early next year see a timeline jump to Operation Bulldog (use tech up to 3061 or so) before the next Omnimech wave, TBH.

I know some want to jump right to 3067, but it'll be enough work just to remotely balance the new tech from the 3050s, so 3060ish would be a good jump for the next couple years, then after that is set, go for the 3067 tech.

Metus regem, on 14 January 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

I know, Shadow Cat is a 3003 start of production... just saying she could've been in TRO 3055 rather than '58... but you know power creep and all that...

Well, more like...cause no one had thought up the Shadowcat yet? the whole 3055, 3058, 3060, etc stuff came out in linear order and basically were full of the designs they had come up with in between, regardless of their "retcon" births.

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Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2016 - 08:19 AM, said:

Which is why I would prefer a Clan Battlemech or IIC pack at this juncture, and then maybe early next year see a timeline jump to Operation Bulldog (use tech up to 3061 or so) before the next Omnimech wave, TBH.

I'd rather Clan Wave 4 just be a bunch of medium omnis, just so I can get my Viper (and have a new bunch of mediums to play with), but then again, with a Battlemech pack we could get the CSV cheese so......

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 14 January 2016 - 08:21 AM.

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Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:

still better than only one torso with room, period.

Sure, I'm just slandering the Turkina at every opportunity. I'm only acting in accordance with Article 3.1 of the Forum Warrior's Code.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 14 January 2016 - 08:28 AM.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 January 2016 - 08:21 AM, said:

I'd rather Clan Wave 4 just be a bunch of medium omnis, just so I can get my Viper (and have a new bunch of mediums to play with), but then again, with a Battlemech pack we could get the CSV cheese so......

I'd go for a Medium Pack, too, since I am a Medium Jock, and tbh, the other timeline choices in most classes bore me. But I'd rather get more Clan Battlemechs in, tbh.

Gas Guzzler, on 14 January 2016 - 08:23 AM, said:

Sure, I'm just slandering the Turkina at every opportunity. I'm only acting in accordance to Article 3.1 of the Forum Warrior's Code.

well, it is hot trash, too. Just prefer to destroy them for the right reasons.

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Gas Guzzler, on 14 January 2016 - 08:23 AM, said:

Sure, I'm just slandering the Turkina at every opportunity. I'm only acting in accordance to Article 3.1 of the Forum Warrior's Code.

I kind of support this act, it's a rather over rated mech, that would be a Dire Wolf that lost 5 pounds (tons).....

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Metus regem, on 14 January 2016 - 08:27 AM, said:

I kind of support this act, it's a rather over rated mech, that would be a Dire Wolf that lost 5 pounds (tons).....

IMO all current era Omni Assaults are overrated garbage. Even the Battlemechs are getting a little limited aside from the IICs.

(3060 will have some nice options when it arrives, like the Canis)

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Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2016 - 08:29 AM, said:

IMO all current era Omni Assaults are overrated garbage. Even the Battlemechs are getting a little limited aside from the IICs.

(3060 will have some nice options when it arrives, like the Canis)

True, and I'm looking forward to being out of the age of over sized engine clan mechs to be honest...