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[Aetes Nakatomi]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 January 2016 - 01:24 PM, said:

I find the lack of maneuverability and twist to be almost instant death.

I also tried out using XL engines... Resulted in me getting ROFLstomped every match.

[Marauder3D]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 January 2016 - 01:24 PM, said:

or like me, you're going to get to that grave really fast.......

Yeah, I tried STD Engines and died jsut as fast, inpart because I then had no firepower.

I feel like a Meta *****, but the only STD engine Whammy I can do well with is a 6D with twin LPL and 4 Mediums.

So basically, a loadout that isn't very Warhammer-esque and could work on anything in game at the moment. But when you are just chasing wins and trying to get a mech mastered, a win is a win some days.

My 6R kept the PPCs, and they shoot fast enough with the 50% speed increase to hit the target. I just have heat troubles at the ranges I like to fight in--around 300 meters where I'm using both the 4 mediums and the 2 PPCs.

Oh well, I'll keep plugging away, and maybe this will eventually make me a better pilot.

[Wild Pegasus]

Lowridah, on 21 January 2016 - 01:25 PM, said:

The flipping atlas. Love the thing but I would be better off mothballing it instead of handicapping teams.

Same. Just don't know what it is about it that I can't get a handle on, I can run other assaults fine but the Atlas doesn't seem to agree with me on anything.

[Bulletsponge0]

victors
black knights
stalkers

Want to do well in them but I'm brutally bad in those chassis

[seveneyedfox]

I suck at the Timberwolf. There, I said it. I suck at the mech that's good at everything.

The low slung arms and weird hardpoints screw me up. I can't aim anything unless it's mounted on the torso. I feel too big. I get in people's way. I shoot them in the back or I shoot wall because the arms are so low. The high laser mounts on the A right torso omnipod don't feel right to me and are hard to fire as a separate weapon group from my other lasers. On laser vomit builds I overheat all the damn time and it feels like the mech always gets more and more nerfed.

There is not one build where I feel like I'm in my own skin.

But since my love affair with the timby ended I've discovered the Ebj, which is bizarre--I always thought it was an ugly and stupid mech in other MW games but I ******* rule in that thing in MWO at any range.

[Navid A1]

I use this build:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...95f5e0ff4492423

20 matches in and 380 damage per match, 21 kills, 10 deaths and 50/50 win/loss.
i'm liking it.

[0bsidion]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 January 2016 - 12:42 PM, said:

I'd literally rather leave it collecting dust in the garage than slap on fuschia metallic flake paint, shag carpet and velour.

I ain't some MetaPimp.


and admittedly, if it had Jager type arms... those PPCs of course could be massively more effective. But it doesn't, and anyone who actually is a fan of the IP knew this going in. It is what it is.

Could mitigate it some using the high torso mounts.... but If I'm gonna metawhore, I'll use a "Meta" Chassis, and not molest a classy iconic dame like the WHM.

Well, this is my MDD build. Pretty sure it's not any brand of meta I've ever heard of, but it works for me. My other MDDs kind of vary on a similar theme. Some have an LBX20, one has ARTEMIS LRM10, 2 ERMLs and TAG, but I get more or less the same performance.

So while you don't have to run meta, if you want to get some more mileage out of your favorite mech you might have to tweak your loadout to something that plays to your strengths. That's all I'm saying.

[Bishop Steiner]

Aetes Nakatomi, on 21 January 2016 - 01:42 PM, said:

I also tried out using XL engines... Resulted in me getting ROFLstomped every match.

that's happening with me using STDs and XLs.

[Bishop Steiner]

Navid A1, on 21 January 2016 - 02:11 PM, said:

I use this build:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...95f5e0ff4492423

20 matches in and 380 damage per match, 21 kills, 10 deaths and 50/50 win/loss.
i'm liking it.

4 or 5 weapon groups?

I was using both PPCs on one, chained, but went to going 1-2 on them. big issue I have on my current hardware is lack of a decent thumb trigger that doesn't cause me to shift my grip and thus aim. I like that it follows a lot of the ideas behind my build, but haven't tried it with the SRM mixed in.

[KHETTI]

DAYLEET, on 21 January 2016 - 12:55 PM, said:

Do they get the win though? My assault tend to have a kdr under one, way under sometiems like my MAL/KGC/EXEC with 0.5 but have a win rate of 2.0. This lead me to believe, the best thing to do in an assault is open the ct of 2 big guys, take all the damage you can take and then die and let the team clean up.

It's because you said unstoppable, i think you may be talking just about kdr.

Wasn't referring to KDR in anyway, i'm actually talking about timing it just right, appearing at the absolute worst time in the worst place for the enemy.
Creating that "Oh sh!t an Atlas" moment, leading that game winning push, and going down like a f*ckin Boss!.

[Darth Hotz]

Atlas. Love the mech but I just dont get along with it. To slow, low hardpoints, always the prime target and usually left behind by the nascar race team.

[Aetes Nakatomi]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 January 2016 - 02:25 PM, said:

that's happening with me using STDs and XLs.

I just do not seem to be able to score over 400 damage in the thing (even when dropped meta). Tried every Engine she can fit.

[Bishop Steiner]

Aetes Nakatomi, on 21 January 2016 - 02:53 PM, said:

I just do not seem to be able to score over 400 damage in the thing (even when dropped meta). Tried every Engine she can fit.

broken 400 couple times...barely. breaking 300 seems like an accomplishment.....

[The Iron Chancellor]

CPLT-K2 - I tried 2xPPC 2xAC5, not my thing, die like a bug due to XL, I tried 4 LL/LPL XL/No XL, still die like a bug,
tried 2xAC10 + 4ML with xl, still died miserably, finally tried STD engine 2UAC5 + 4ML, still I feel absolutely useless.

It of course doesn't help that I can do the 2xUAC5 setup on one of my marauders and do better due to JJ
availability and the cannons being high mounted, as for the 2xAC10,
there's a warhammer that can do it but better (though I don't own those and really have no intention to).

I can and did get good scores with my splatpult and my Jester, but both of those have JJ's and it feels so much easier
to spread damage, still unforgiving because catapults are massive, but in comparison to my failures in the K2, Ill take
any of the other two cats any-day.

[Navid A1]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 January 2016 - 02:32 PM, said:

4 or 5 weapon groups?

I was using both PPCs on one, chained, but went to going 1-2 on them. big issue I have on my current hardware is lack of a decent thumb trigger that doesn't cause me to shift my grip and thus aim. I like that it follows a lot of the ideas behind my build, but haven't tried it with the SRM mixed in.

5 weapon groups. I use left mouse and right mouse for PPCs, E key for medium lasers, left ALT for auto cannon, and another key on my mouse for SRMs (wheel tilt right).

Its a discipline I use on almost all mu builds:
left mouse and right mouse for left and right arm (when the mech has arm weapons)
E and Left alt for torso mounted weapons (I use mouse buttons if the mech has no arm weapons)
Mouse wheel tilt for SRMs always
if i need a 6th weapon group, i use left shift (i use a keyboard toggle to swith "left shift" between MASC and 6th weapon group)
On mechs with jumpjets AND ballistics i use an extra group for ballistics in order to be able to effectively "poptart"

Getting used to 4+ weapon groups and range discipline takes practice though.

Also, another note.. I never run locked arms, that is the whole point of lower arm actuators.

Edited by Navid A1, 21 January 2016 - 03:54 PM.

[Wolfways]

seveneyedfox, on 21 January 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

I suck at the Timberwolf. There, I said it. I suck at the mech that's good at everything.

The low slung arms and weird hardpoints screw me up. I can't aim anything unless it's mounted on the torso. I feel too big. I get in people's way. I shoot them in the back or I shoot wall because the arms are so low. The high laser mounts on the A right torso omnipod don't feel right to me and are hard to fire as a separate weapon group from my other lasers. On laser vomit builds I overheat all the damn time and it feels like the mech always gets more and more nerfed.

There is not one build where I feel like I'm in my own skin.

But since my love affair with the timby ended I've discovered the Ebj, which is bizarre--I always thought it was an ugly and stupid mech in other MW games but I ******* rule in that thing in MWO at any range.

I have a similar feeling when I'm in a TBR. It just feels....wrong. Like I'm too big, and the weapons seem to be firing from weird positions. I'm the same with the PPC mounts on the CPLT-K2 though.

[Bishop Steiner]

Navid A1, on 21 January 2016 - 03:46 PM, said:

5 weapon groups. I use left mouse and right mouse for PPCs, E key for medium lasers, left ALT for auto cannon, and another key on my mouse for SRMs (wheel tilt right).

Its a discipline I use on almost all mu builds:
left mouse and right mouse for left and right arm (unless the mech has no arm weapons)
E and Left alt for torso mounted weapons (E for lasers and Alt for ballistics)
Mouse wheel tilt for SRMs always
if i need a 6th weapon group, i use left shift (i use a keyboard toggle to swith "left shift" between MASC and 6th weapon group)

Getting used to 4+ weapon groups takes practice though.

Yeah. Also, I have a crippled hand so more than 3 groups is an issue. I prefer my left hand free to maneuver, not worry about firing too.

It's one reason I do miss how well joysticks worked for MW4, even for aiming, because their inherent design allowed for multiweapon access very intuitively.

Been looking at the g502, I think it is from Logitech, in part because it has a dual thumb button that looks to sit exactly where my thumb actually rests, which would allow me to easily access a 4rth or 5th fire group.

So yeah, I guess I should also advertise that as one of my build limitations.

I'm running a potato laptop, essentially stuck with 3 fire groups (a 4th with LRMs or SSRMs works), and can't really set up peripherals like a Nostromo. I do own a nostromo and logitech g13, (can't really decide which is better) either of which I would not mind using as part of a set up, if I ever can put a desk top back together.

[Ted Wayz]

Not a necro thread...but subject is vaguely familiar.

Re-re-re-re-re-tread!

[Sandpit]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 January 2016 - 11:33 AM, said:

Been playing TT Battletech since 1987, every single MW video game title... for 29 years.

My first mech ever? WHM-6R Warhammer. Been my favorite mech ever since. Have run that same character all these years, most of them, in that same old Warhammer.

And finally for the first time since the Crescent Hawk games.... I have my Warhammer again. I even can make it match my custom TT build (and improve it slightly).

And I suck in it. Horribly.

Yeah... it's a little squishy. Yes, my refusal to take the PPCs out of the arms doesn't help. And yet I see others do the same.... and are fine. But these.... are my lowest scoring heavies...and it's not close. My Dragons score higher. My stock Summoner Prime almost doubles the avg score.

It's that having to admit, I'm a mediocre Heavy Pilot at the best of times. I'm a Medium Jock. In an FPS, without that mobility.... I just stink. I'm still happy that it's here, and love how it looks..... but....

So yeah... 29 years in the making... and it's probably the worst fit for me of any mech. But I freely admit, the breakdown in this relationship.... it's not the Warhammer's fault. It's mine.

But realizing that still makes me a saaaaaad panda.

How about you guys, any tales of broken Mech homes, and heartbreak and woe?

I"m doing very well in my 6D
2LPL
4MPL

good range, great alpha, good heat, lots of armo, std engine. It's a beast in a brawl.

The mech I just can't seem to do well with?
The Quickdraw. I just haven't found my niche with it honestly. Can't find a good groove for it.

[Navid A1]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 January 2016 - 03:53 PM, said:

Yeah. Also, I have a crippled hand so more than 3 groups is an issue. I prefer my left hand free to maneuver, not worry about firing too.

It's one reason I do miss how well joysticks worked for MW4, even for aiming, because their inherent design allowed for multiweapon access very intuitively.

Been looking at the g502, I think it is from Logitech, in part because it has a dual thumb button that looks to sit exactly where my thumb actually rests, which would allow me to easily access a 4rth or 5th fire group.

So yeah, I guess I should also advertise that as one of my build limitations.

I'm running a potato laptop, essentially stuck with 3 fire groups (a 4th with LRMs or SSRMs works), and can't really set up peripherals like a Nostromo. I do own a nostromo and logitech g13, (can't really decide which is better) either of which I would not mind using as part of a set up, if I ever can put a desk top back together.

I play on a laptop too, (not potato specs though).
G502 is working nicely for me... specially the mouse wheel tilts (one is an extra weapon group and the other is arty)