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[Mahpsy]

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Now hear me out before you pull your flamers out, heh, but if the goal of this game is for the 2 factions to be on equal levels why not the price range on mechs? It would make sense especially if you want the clans to be populated at all for community warfare.

And lets face it, not many new players are willing to grind for something so expensive that plays on the same level of an inner sphere mech.

And before it's mentioned, yes clans to lore are more expensive cuz lore reasons yada yada yada. It's a cool concept, but isn't working out.

Thoughts?


TL;DR Up front prices on clan mechs too high for newer players to want to want or grind for. Redistribute clan mech costs without effecting total cost of the mechs.

Edited by Ragingdemon, 26 January 2016 - 04:36 PM.

[Mcgral18]

This is a fallacy


Clams come with DHS and an XL


Go build your IS mech with DHS, Endo and an XL, come tell us which costs more again.

Edited by Mcgral18, 26 January 2016 - 04:03 PM.

[Mahpsy]

Mcgral18, on 26 January 2016 - 04:03 PM, said:

This is a fallacy


Clams come with DHS and an XL


Go build your IS mech with DHS, Endo and an XL, come tell us which costs more again.

Just did on my Dragon total cost 8mill rounded down compaired to 12 mill mad dog, next person in line?

Edited by Ragingdemon, 26 January 2016 - 04:08 PM.

[Queen of England]

They actually did reduce clan c-bill costs quite a bit from lore. E.g., a Timber Wolf-Prime costs 24,233,124 in BattleTech but 15,178,647 in MWO.

[FupDup]

Queen of England, on 26 January 2016 - 04:08 PM, said:

They actually did reduce clan c-bill costs quite a bit from lore. E.g., a Timber Wolf-Prime costs 24,233,124 in BattleTech but 15,178,647 in MWO.

I think that's because of engine costs...TT has engine costs increase by mech size, even for the same exact engine. A 300 engine on a 50 ton mech is cheaper in TT than that same 300 engine put in a 100 ton mech, etc.

[Mcgral18]

Ragingdemon, on 26 January 2016 - 04:05 PM, said:

Just did on my Dragon, next person in line?

Dem OP (overpriced) Clams, #pgiplzfix

Both have around the same loadout, guess the result?
MDD-C 11.4 Mil
DRG-1C 12.9 Mil


Now that leg has collapsed on you, care to try again?

[dario03]

It depends on how you do things. There is also the whole omnimech/battlemech thing. And some omnimechs don't have all the upgrades. IS mechs can be a bit cheaper in the long run since they are all battlemechs right now so you can share engines, and some of the builds are good with standards. But if you keep a xl engine in all of your battlemechs, and run dhs,endo,ferro then the cost is about the same. Clan battlemechs have the same advantages but theres only a few of those. There is also things like selling variants you don't use that would affect your costs.

Edited by dario03, 26 January 2016 - 04:13 PM.

[Mahpsy]

Mcgral18, on 26 January 2016 - 04:09 PM, said:

Dem OP (overpriced) Clams, #pgiplzfix

Both have around the same loadout, guess the result?
MDD-C 11.4 Mil
DRG-1C 12.9 Mil


Now that leg has collapsed on you, care to try again?

Yeah, accessibility to new players, which you completely forgot about.

[Mcgral18]

Ragingdemon, on 26 January 2016 - 04:12 PM, said:

Yeah, accessibility to new players, which you completely forgot about.

No, why should that change?

Unless you want to decrease the cost of items across the board, you're just asking for Clams to be outright cheaper than IS mechs.

[Queen of England]

I just put together a BL-7-KNT-L with the same size engine as a TBR-PRIME. The Black Knight is slightly more expensive, although they're pretty close.

[Mahpsy]

Mcgral18, on 26 January 2016 - 04:15 PM, said:

No, why should that change?

Unless you want to decrease the cost of items across the board, you're just asking for Clams to be outright cheaper than IS mechs.

Why do I have to keep saying it. New player accessibility.

Yes trial mechs are a thing, too bad you cant change the load outs.

If dropping the cost of the mechs is too much then increase the cost of changing omi pods equal to the price reduced.

[N0MAD]

Mcgral18, on 26 January 2016 - 04:09 PM, said:

Dem OP (overpriced) Clams, #pgiplzfix

Both have around the same loadout, guess the result?
MDD-C 11.4 Mil
DRG-1C 12.9 Mil


Now that leg has collapsed on you, care to try again?

Sure but if you are trying to Master 3 chassis it ends up much more expensive for the Clans, you can use that same XL and equipment on the 3 IS chassis to master but you need to buy 3 very expensive clan mechs to do the same, instead of you know 1 engine and 3 cheap chassis. That expensive engine can then be re used with your next set of chassis you want to master, but with clans its another 3 expensive mechs.
So over all Clans can be much more expensive to master.

[Queen of England]

Ragingdemon, on 26 January 2016 - 04:19 PM, said:

Why do I have to keep saying it. New player accessibility.

Yes trial mechs are a thing, too bad you cant change the load outs.

If dropping the cost of the mechs is too much then increase the cost of changing omi pods equal to the price reduced.

You want Clan mechs to be more accessible to new players than IS mechs? Right now, they're about equal in cost.

[Mahpsy]

Queen of England, on 26 January 2016 - 04:20 PM, said:

You want Clan mechs to be more accessible to new players than IS mechs? Right now, they're about equal in cost.

The up front costs are too high.

Case and point, got 5 new people to play, all want to join me in ghost bear, but its too expensive simple to purchase AND to elite out. As someone ells said, IS can throw their engines around freely while Clans have to re buy every time too.

[TELEFORCE]

You aren't just paying for XL engines on Clan 'mechs, but the cost of each pod is factored in too.

Also, it's pretty much useless comparing in-game costs with those from BattleTech. As it stands right now, the costs of equipment in BattleTech don't change between eras, which leads to hilariously expensive fusion XXL engines in the Dark Age even though they are quite commonplace.

If people are so fixated on costs in BattleTech, CGL needs to publish a BattleTech Edition of Kelley Blue Book.

Edited by TELEFORCE, 26 January 2016 - 04:24 PM.

[pwnface]

N0MAD, on 26 January 2016 - 04:20 PM, said:

Sure but if you are trying to Master 3 chassis it ends up much more expensive for the Clans, you can use that same XL and equipment on the 3 IS chassis to master but you need to buy 3 very expensive clan mechs to do the same, instead of you know 1 engine and 3 cheap chassis. That expensive engine can then be re used with your next set of chassis you want to master, but with clans its another 3 expensive mechs.
So over all Clans can be much more expensive to master.

This is true, but it also assumes that you want the same engine in all of your mechs. I'm not sure about anyone else, but I typically run different engine sizes depending on the loadout for a particular variant let alone a different chassis.

[Mcgral18]

N0MAD, on 26 January 2016 - 04:20 PM, said:

Sure but if you are trying to Master 3 chassis it ends up much more expensive for the Clans, you can use that same XL and equipment on the 3 IS chassis to master but you need to buy 3 very expensive clan mechs to do the same, instead of you know 1 engine and 3 cheap chassis. That expensive engine can then be re used with your next set of chassis you want to master, but with clans its another 3 expensive mechs.
So over all Clans can be much more expensive to master.

And if you want to make a dropdeck, you're unable to.

[-Vompo-]

Having new players have a choice between a Clan mech with good build versus a IS mech with cheap & crappy loadout is even worse than what we have now.

Edited by VompoVompatti, 26 January 2016 - 04:28 PM.

[Gruinhardt]

Queen of England, on 26 January 2016 - 04:16 PM, said:

I just put together a BL-7-KNT-L with the same size engine as a TBR-PRIME. The Black Knight is slightly more expensive, although they're pretty close.

True. But when you tire of playing the Black Knight you can take the engine out. Next mech you build using that engine costs far less.

[Orkhepaj]

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