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[ACH75]

Arms and Torso Crossairs are part of MWO Gameplay and Arm-Lock function breaks it

turning it most-like a canonic shooter game.


Removing this option will drastically reduce the effectivness of laser boating and will

encourage again multiple weapon systems loadouts.

[El Bandito]

But people in general don't use armlock for laser vomiting in the first place. I think the most amount of time I used the armlock was on my 6xCUAC5 Dakka Whale.

Edited by El Bandito, 07 February 2016 - 04:38 AM.

[ShiftySWP and the Pleated Pants]

El Bandito, on 07 February 2016 - 04:30 AM, said:

But people don't use armlock for laser vomiting in the first place.

Truth... I use it all the time and I am not a people.

Seriously though, I find it so useful that the toggle is bound to my mouse. No arm weapons?....then locked arms means a better aiming reticle. Spread weapons?...then arm lock helps with pin point damage and allows a quick unlock for that darn ACH sitting on top of a Mesa in Bog.

I really think efficient arm lock use is one of those little things that can make any pilot better.

[LordNothing]

sounds like someone using a strawman argument to use a problem with a game to get the feature they want.

wont fix laser boating or large alphas. it will just piss off a lot of people who use the feature.

Edited by LordNothing, 07 February 2016 - 05:07 AM.

[Inveramsay]

I'm not even sure I have arm lock bound yet a do a lot of high damage laser alphas. Tell me how this would solve anything?

[adamts01]

Clan mechs can just remove arm actuators then... Or would you remove that function from the game as well?

[Alistair Winter]

It's true in most cases, although there are exceptions. And people may flock to mechs that don't need weapons in the arms (Hunhie IIC, Top Dog, Banshee, etc).

But in any case, it's a step in the right direction. Even if removing arm lock only spreads damage a little bit for good players, it's a step in the right direction.

[Thunderbird Anthares]

nah, if you want to get rid of laser vomit, arm lock has nothing to do with it

there is a number of things which, in various combinations, might help though... like...

- simply dropping laser damage
- implementing a much longer linear damage drop-off for lasers
- make mechs explode again to make in-your-face vomits punishing
- implement heat slowdown (myomer malfunction)

the current massive alpha laser vomits make the PPC spams of the old days look tame, they were not NEARLY that bad, and yet they were part of the reasoning for ghost heat in the first place

its simple really, the hitscan weapon must never also have the best damage profile, because they already have an advantage with the hitscan and are therefor lower skill weapons - everyone knows this... i dont know why its a thing here

[STEF_]

I laugh when a "tryhard-wannabe" writes on chat "Unlock the aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarms!! Noob!!"

First of all, toggle on/off.
Second, you must have the same kind of weapon much close as possible for convergence-----> Torsi
Third, the true tryhard wants the hardpoints as higher as possible-----> torsi.
Four: easy.....instant....pinpoint....convergence and positioning >>>>> facehugging at 5-6 metres

edit: just to be clear witn my post, arm lock on/off has nothing to do with High laser alphas

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 07 February 2016 - 05:49 AM.

[LordNothing]

fix the nausea and i will unlock my arms, plain and simple.

[TercieI]

Sorry, no. Many high level players don't even use it for LV. We were chatting about it the other night and the majority of our team never uses it any more. It was huge for pop-sniping but not particularly a big deal for LV

[Thorqemada]

Many Mechs have either Hardpoints in the Torso OR the Arms - removing Arm Lock will simply make them even more popular.
Afair the Stormcrow can field 10 or 12 Lasers in the Arms...other like the HBK have 7 Laser in the Torso...Arm Lock does nothing to them...it only makes the playfiled more even that Mechs with spread Hardpoints can compete a bit better against these Hardpoint-Monsters when Arm Lock is enabled.

Edited by Thorqemada, 07 February 2016 - 05:42 AM.

[ACH75]

adamts01, on 07 February 2016 - 05:16 AM, said:

Clan mechs can just remove arm actuators then... Or would you remove that function from the game as well?

Upper arms actuators can't be removed so it's sufficient to spread damage in many situations

[adamts01]

ACH75, on 07 February 2016 - 05:42 AM, said:

Upper arms actuators can't be removed so it's sufficient to spread damage in many situations

I remove my lowers on my Timby alpha boat, never use arm lock, and I'm part of the problem with the game. This isn't a solution. COF when too many weapons are shot at once is.

[ACH75]

Thorqemada, on 07 February 2016 - 05:42 AM, said:

Many Mechs have either Hardpoints in the Torso OR the Arms - removing Arm Lock will simply make them even more popular.
Afair the Stormcrow can field 10 or 12 Lasers in the Arms...other like the HBK have 7 Laser in the Torso...Arm Lock does nothing to them...it only makes the playfiled more even that Mechs with spread Hardpoints can compete a bit better against these Hardpoint-Monsters when Arm Lock is enabled.

Arms weapons grants more precision but lower mounts as drawback and quirks have to be used to balance the overall performance...

[adamts01]

ACH75, on 07 February 2016 - 05:56 AM, said:

Arms weapons grants more precision but lower mounts as drawback and quirks have to be used to balance the overall performance...

Stormcrow arms are higher than the head mount, and Blackjack arms are higher than the torso. Just to name 2.

[GreyNovember]

You realize this does absolutely nothing to stop my 30pt 1-2 alphas from my Nova, the biggest threat to have ever walked?

[Bishop Steiner]

Alistair Winter, on 07 February 2016 - 05:20 AM, said:

It's true in most cases, although there are exceptions. And people may flock to mechs that don't need weapons in the arms (Hunhie IIC, Top Dog, Banshee, etc).

But in any case, it's a step in the right direction. Even if removing arm lock only spreads damage a little bit for good players, it's a step in the right direction.

was it not that long ago I commented on the butthurt howls of "skill" players if anyone threatened their precious crutch? LOL.

This thread sounds like a mix of cats in heat and coyotes yelping already, lol.

If it won't matter, then why dost they protest verily?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 07 February 2016 - 07:03 AM.

[Triordinant]

It won't stop veterans from laser vomiting but will make everything (lasers or not) harder for new players. So...

[Bishop Steiner]

Triordinant, on 07 February 2016 - 07:10 AM, said:

It won't stop veterans from laser vomiting but will make everything (lasers or not) harder for new players. So...

new players learned just fine for the first year or more without it..... because we didn't even have the option.

yet always seem to be "skilled" players most against it being removed.