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[SQW]

PGI should just let ppl fight using stock mechs or have a stock mech only mode. No lore mechs would cram in as much lasers as some of the meta mechs. Convergence is a headache but it's only a issue because of lasers and mechlab.

Or just make it the further a mech differs from it's stock loadout, the greater the the C-bill/XP penalty. Hey, customized mechs takes more to operate and repair than standard mech right? Bring back the post-match repair cost for those meta mechs.

Alternatively, just bump the laser heat by 30-50%.

There are lots of quick and dirty way to patch things up while PGI focus on growing the player base.

[DaZur]

With few exception, I've rarely seen a "suggestion" offered up by the community that was not couched in the OPs desire to shape something around their personal desire / goal. Very few appreciate and understand the glabal impact of their suggestions.

The reality is there is no one magic bullet regardless of what the intelligencia infer...

The OP is 100% correct in that it's far easier to blame some outside influence than to self-reflect and appreciate most peoples woes are self-induced.

This is acknowledging MWO is not perfect... But at the same time it’s not immediately remedied by a singular twiddle of some game mechanic.

Edited by DaZur, 11 February 2016 - 08:42 PM.

[LordNothing]

anything op enough to be routinely exploited by players of all skill levels, groups, and entire units, is an obvious blight on balance. big groups of lasers are that blight.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

SQW, on 11 February 2016 - 08:30 PM, said:

much lasers as some of the meta mechs

I present you,
the Black Python: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Black_Python
the Penetrator: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Penetrator
the Black Hawk Ku: http://www.sarna.net...i/Black_Hawk_KU


There are plenty of laser boats in TT, just not everything.

[SQW]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 11 February 2016 - 08:45 PM, said:

I present you,
the Black Python: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Black_Python
the Penetrator: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Penetrator
the Black Hawk Ku: http://www.sarna.net...i/Black_Hawk_KU


There are plenty of laser boats in TT, just not everything.

Sorry, I meant mechs currently in MWO (apart from the Nova). And I seriously doubt TT will allow its laser boats to alpha as often and accurately as they do in MWO. Watching a missile-less Timberwolf sprout 8+ beams of light sickens me. =P

[FupDup]

SQW, on 11 February 2016 - 08:58 PM, said:

Sorry, I meant mechs currently in MWO (apart from the Nova). And I seriously doubt TT will allow its laser boats to alpha as often and accurately as they do in MWO. Watching a missile-less Timberwolf sprout 8+ beams of light sickens me. =P

They definitely can't alpha as accurately due to TT's random hit locations.

However, in terms of firing frequency, if they carry enough heatsinks they can keep puking every turn for the whole match without ever overheating.

[cSand]

InspectorG, on 11 February 2016 - 04:30 PM, said:

DS is puzzle solving, you know whats around the corner after the first time it kills you.

Unless it's another player...

I'm gonna log in while you're playing and HUNT YOU DOWN

[InspectorG]

cSand, on 12 February 2016 - 11:23 AM, said:

Unless it's another player...

I'm gonna log in while you're playing and HUNT YOU DOWN

Invite sent

I see you in hell.

[Ted Wayz]

SQW, on 11 February 2016 - 08:30 PM, said:

PGI should just let ppl fight using stock mechs or have a stock mech only mode. No lore mechs would cram in as much lasers as some of the meta mechs. Convergence is a headache but it's only a issue because of lasers and mechlab.

Or just make it the further a mech differs from it's stock loadout, the greater the the C-bill/XP penalty. Hey, customized mechs takes more to operate and repair than standard mech right? Bring back the post-match repair cost for those meta mechs.

Alternatively, just bump the laser heat by 30-50%.

There are lots of quick and dirty way to patch things up while PGI focus on growing the player base.

Sized hard points would solve many problems too.

[PocketYoda]

Ted Wayz, on 12 February 2016 - 06:25 PM, said:

Sized hard points would solve many problems too.

I really miss that from older games, i don't care if its not lore it balanced the mechs way better..

[cSand]

InspectorG, on 12 February 2016 - 05:17 PM, said:

Invite sent

I see you in hell.

[DrxAbstract]

El Bandito, on 11 February 2016 - 12:12 PM, said:

Not having met is not an excuse. His attempts (or lack there of) at balancing are all here for us to see. There were so many obvious balance issues he either ignored or delayed for months. And the LBX is still crap after 3 years. Three years!

Meanwhile, Machine Guns and Flamers at their absolute best have never been viable weapons.

[El Bandito]

DrxAbstract, on 12 February 2016 - 09:00 PM, said:

Meanwhile, Machine Guns and Flamers at their absolute best have never been viable weapons.

TBF, machine gun during middle of 2013 was acceptable. Then Paul nerfed it to the ground while trying to implement his "crit seeking" mechanism. I want the good old machine gunning days back.

[DrxAbstract]

El Bandito, on 12 February 2016 - 09:07 PM, said:

TBF, machine gun during middle of 2013 was acceptable. Then Paul nerfed it to the ground while trying to implement his "crit seeking" mechanism. I want the good old machine gunning days back.

Except that they werent. They were less than 'OK' and only achieved this because at that point they were the best iteration of Machine Guns we'd had so far. You still needed 4+, a lot of face time and a clear line to a Mech's internals for them to be worthwhile. Flamers have never seen the light of day, by comparison. Do I personally blame Paul for this? Yes. He's the guy who determines the end-all version of what we get with the power to say "Do this..." And the simple fact Machine Guns, and to a much greater extent Flamers, have gone this long without so much as a knock on the door is quite frankly disgusting.

[dwwolf]

FupDup, on 11 February 2016 - 12:34 PM, said:

To be fair, there are arguably some situations where the game itself is at fault, like with LBX being bad and Vindicators being mediocre.

The latter is accurate . Vindicators are meant to be utterly mehh in all combat situations. They are cheap 'n cheerfull mechs meant to fill up numbers in Liao forces. Cheap Fusion engine, jump jets to increase the marginal mobilty for the weight class.

[Mech Jager]

El Bandito, on 12 February 2016 - 09:07 PM, said:

TBF, machine gun during middle of 2013 was acceptable. Then Paul nerfed it to the ground while trying to implement his "crit seeking" mechanism. I want the good old machine gunning days back.

The last nerf about 1-1.5 years ago was due to folks using macros and the fact that MG do not have a cooldown. They could really increase the output. Now that they have rate of fire quirks I am assuming they have a way to limit the max output. If I use my spam macro 1ms key press, it seems like the mgs run out of ammo faster, but testing ground do not always reflect server side in game results.