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[Mystere]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 February 2016 - 10:08 PM, said:

Unless they are breaking CoC, have a coke and a smile and shut the heck up.

Just to be perfectly clear, did you mean "coke" or "Coke"?

[Bishop Steiner]

Mystere, on 17 February 2016 - 10:14 PM, said:

Just to be perfectly clear, did you mean "coke" or "Coke"?

Unlike the folks trying to tell people what to run, I believe in leaving people's choice of recreation to their discretion

[MischiefSC]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 February 2016 - 10:08 PM, said:

Gonna say this once and only once:

You want to control what your teammates run? Play Group or CW. Quick Play is specifically meant for casual play. Enter at your own risk. Believe it or not, non tryhards make up 90% of the player base. We have a right to have a place to drop too, and that place is in quickplay.

But I don't have time or desire to form a group you say? Then sit down, shut up and enjoy the ride. Because you have exactly zero input on what anyone else wants to do in the casual queue. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Unless they are breaking CoC, have a coke and a smile and shut the heck up.

I'm not trying to control anything. To say however that I'm obligated to just happily cheer when people play the fool in pug queue is disingenuous.

I'm no more obligated to ignore them being bad than they're obligated to bring a good mech.

You wanna play bad then play bad. To say nobody is allowed to point out that you're actually playing bad just isn't true. Of course they are. You don't want people to say 'wow, you're terrible at this game' then.... don't be terrible at the game.

Pug queue is no less a team game than group queue. In any way, shape or form. You're on a team and your performance affects that team. There is no solo play in MW:O except training grounds. You are always on a team. Every match. All the time. If you don't want to play on a team you can play in the training grounds or a different game until PGI makes a single player version of the game.

There's no obligation to care about the other people you're playing with. You can be an absolute selfish ******* if you want; plenty are. Vulture kills, hide in the back, use teammates as shields, play nothing but troll builds, whatever you want. However you're still being a selfish ******* to other players. Of course they get to call you on it. The 12 players on a pug queue team are no different from the 12 players in the group queue - generally they want to win, they're investing their time and energy in doing so and they are not unreasonable for thinking the other 11 people on their team are not just ******* the rest of the team over for giggles.

[Ghogiel]

MischiefSC, on 16 February 2016 - 01:48 PM, said:

Lower tiers progress faster than higher tiers.

That's only because of the much larger scores moving the PSR bar. There is nothing different about the rate the bar fills between tiers apart from performance (and the initial seeding of new accounts)

[MischiefSC]

Ghogiel, on 17 February 2016 - 10:29 PM, said:

That's only because of the much larger scores moving the PSR bar. There is nothing different about the rate the bar fills between tiers apart from performance (and the initial seeding of new accounts)

Are you sure? I put up good scores in T2 but I filled T3 in like a week. Performance has slowed a bit but not that much relative to total time.

Admittedly I almost never play solo queue, I stick to CW. Was just looking at mech stats; I've probably only got 250 total solo queue drops since PSR came out.

Fair enough.

[Karamarka]

Appogee, on 16 February 2016 - 10:02 AM, said:

Yeah, but then the matchmaker puts him on my team and I'm somehow supposed to carry not only him, but also three to six other people all bringing various version of Derp On Legs.

I can't level Mechs and carry at the same time.

Oh the humanity.

Exactly.

Tier 1 is a joke because of this. Cant play anything different with some 14 min suicider.

[Spr1ggan]

Karamarka, on 18 February 2016 - 01:50 AM, said:

Exactly.

Tier 1 is a joke because of this. Cant play anything different with some 14 min suicider.

Or because the team scatters to all corners of the map like the match we were just in. Looked at mini map, bigs hiding in a valley terrified of moving, the rest at each corner of the map. So i just run straight into the enemy blob die and drop another match hoping to not to be paired with idiots.

Not wasting my time trying to carry a pub match that's lost from the get go. The tier system is a joke.

Edited by Spr1ggan, 18 February 2016 - 02:38 AM.

[crashlogic]

MischiefSC, on 16 February 2016 - 01:48 PM, said:

Oh won't get to tier 1 though. Lower tiers progress faster than higher tiers. I almost never play pug queue - really don't like it, I like CW. I hadn't played ant pug matches since January when they released PSR and I was dead center T3 when it started. I made it to T2 in about 5 days, but in T2 I probably have 200 matches and have only moved 25% and that's with about a 1.3 win/loss. Ask around, even playing top meta and rocking face you're going to spend a lot of time in T2. You may never leave it.

The point though is that by the time you've got a couple thousand matches you probably should not be fighting T5s and new players should be common for you.

There's a wide range of skill in T3 though. People can farm damage and actually be pretty bad at the game. A great way to pad your stats is stay in the back, use LRMs or ERLLs and gauss. Try to get a few hits in while your team gets butchered (which they will if the other team sticks together, plays moderately aggressive and shares armor) and then vulture the kills off the mechs your teammates died stripping down.

Then end with "gah, I can't carry all u guis!" when ironically it was forcing your team to play 11 v 12 while you cowered in the back that drove the teams defeat but your decent score.

There are several ways to score well but play badly. Those players tend to cap out in T3/T2 generally.

So you'll see a mix of good and bad players all in to T2 and still more than a few in T1.

That you're likely to progress to T2 if you're even mediocre though is correct. You should, T5s are for people who are happy to get 200 damage in an assault and hate all their teammates as potential kill stealers.

You focus here on the LRM boat or maybe the sniper. But what about the guy who YOLOS his assault in the first four minutes of a match, an then gets in the chatbox and whines about noone helped him? The reality is that people can do well in LRM boats and help the team and they can do piss poor in Dire whale laser vomit boats. I think mech builds matter a lot less than teamwork. The LRM guys at the back are doing my brawler mechs a favor when they take off sheets of armour before I have to get in a fight with SRMS and MPLS or whatever.
I want teams that stay focused and support each other. I have played on these teams, I have seen them work. I think teamwork is an easy thing to do - unless you are playing conquest, which most often results in collective idiocy.

[Appogee]

crashlogic, on 18 February 2016 - 02:31 AM, said:

what about the guy who YOLOS his assault in the first four minutes of a match, an then gets in the chatbox and whines about noone helped him? often results in collective idiocy.

I've been PUGing in a Dire Whale today. It's been an ongoing disaster.

Typically, I am with 5 other guys at the front line. There are 3 enemies, easily killable, just around the corner. So we start to move forward.

And then, suddenly, I'm the only guy there. The 4 friendlies got shot once, backed off and are now running away, leaving me to get focused down solo by the 3 enemies we could have easily killed.

And so I die with 250 damage. And I have to watch as the team hides, fails and loses. And I point out in chat that we could have easily won the match if people had just grown a set of balls and fired their weapons instead of cowering behind cover.

*******.

Edited by Appogee, 18 February 2016 - 03:15 AM.

[TexAce]

Appogee, on 18 February 2016 - 03:10 AM, said:

I've been PUGing in a Dire Whale today. It's been an ongoing disaster.

Typically, I am with 5 other guys at the front line. There are 3 enemies, easily killable, just around the corner. So we start to move forward.

And then, suddenly, I'm the only guy there. The 4 friendlies got shot once, backed off and are now running away, leaving me to get focused down solo by the 3 enemies we could have easily killed.

And so I die with 250 damage. And I have to watch as the team hides, fails and loses. And I point out in chat that we could have easily won the match if people had just grown a set of balls and fired their weapons instead of cowering behind cover.

*******.

Trust me, people will find a way to twist this into being your fault.

[Zuesacoatl]

ScarecrowES, on 14 February 2016 - 09:08 AM, said:

The problem is multi-fold.

First, this is not YOUR game. It's a team game. You should expect, at all times, to remain competitive for the sake of the other 11 players on your team. If you bring a bad mech and a bad build, you're forcing the 11 other players to carry you. And while you might be having fun slumming it in a bad mech, the 11 other players on your team that are suffering for you probably won't be enjoying the game nearly as much.

Second, I completely agree that you should be able to take whatever build you want, as long as it has the potential to be competitive. Your D-DC build is far from that. 300-600pts of damage in a match is nowhere near competitive for an Atlas. Hell, it's not even competitive for a 35-ton light mech. And much of the damage you're laying down is LRM damage, which in reality is worth half of what the damage total actually is because it's spread all over and not contributing directly to kills. If you were able to rack up ungodly stats in that Atlas, you'd put all naysayers to bed... but you're not. You're posting sub-par stats.

Third, you're not using the hardpoint configuration to best effect for your build, and you're not utilizing the mech itself for its strengths and weaknesses. To have an ECM mech sitting in the back lobbing LRMs (and a paultry number of those as it is) is an insult to the team, and the perfect picture of selfishness. A D-DC should be up front shielding the team and soaking damage. Beyond that, simply the configuration you've chosen under-utilizes the hardpoints you have available... namely the 2 ballistics in the purse, and the many smaller-tube missile racks. Your arrangement of the LRMs is poor, which leads to those weapons mounted to not work as well as they should. You're not using the defining traits of the mech, namely the second ballistic slot and the ECM. You've mounted an engine that is too small for the mech, making you a liability for ambush during the match.

I'm sorry. But you've got a bad build. You put up bad stats in that build. And the playstyle that build is built around is nothing but a liability for the team. All you've done for them is waste an assault slot. I know all this is kinda harsh, and your OP shows clearly you're not receptive to the advice... but it's best to simply change the build to something effective and useful to the team. You'll put up better numbers, enjoy the game more, and the team will thank you for it.

Sorry, but I buy a game for one purpose, and one purpose only, for ME to have fun. I could give a crap less if you are having fun, I did not buy this game for you, I bought it for me, and with being a founder, clans 1,2,and3, resistance 1 and 2, IIC, Phoenix, Marauder, WH, Riffleman, Archer, Kodiak(all of them with heroes), and sarahs purchaser, I really could care less about how you feel in this game. Unless you feel like coming over and tickling my jimmies while I play to make my purchases even more worth it, you matter very little to me.

Second, in tier 3, anything above 300 is above avg. The only players I have seen in matches with 1000+ consistently are players that I know are comp players, but anything over 800 is not a common thing to see in tier 3 matches. I am a decent player, and though some games when I am trying out a new build (like a Rifleman for the first time and die fast to XL check with 90 dmg) I only pull high 3s to 700s consistently. With a 1200+ dmg match when I jump in my dakka DWF.so to say 300 is low on an avg player in a light mech is just ludicrous. This is solo queue, not group, and not CW.

Third, meta is great in the right hands, but personally, I suck with gauss. I can use them, but nowhere near as effectively as I can other slug throwers, or the laser vomit. PPCs are the same for me, I just can never produce the damage I see other pilots push with them, I gimp the team when I try and play with meta weapons that I am no good at using. I am far more effective with what you might call a sub-optimal build because I can place the shots i want when I want them, versus using the gauss and failing. Forcing others into meta may seem like a great idea, but if those players just can not use those weapons, whether because of the charge mechanic or travel time compensation etc, it would be better for them to focus on weapons they can use.

ScarecrowES, on 14 February 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

Not sure how that's so. It's a bad build. He does poorly in it. His bad build and play is a liability to the team. There are many many better builds for the D-DC out there that anyone can do better in that utilizes the mech in what it's good at.

The advice, then, is to get a better build. Do better with it. Be a bonus to the team.

The OP clearly doesn't want advice. He doesn't want to hear the truth. He wants to come onto the forums and seek pity and validation for his bad choices. Some people are inclined to do that. I'm not one of them.

And if this were a single-player game, literally noone would care. That justification... that he can do whatever he wants because HE'S having fun... it's backwards. He's not the only player on his team. He effects each and every one of them and THEIR experience. To choose his experience over theirs is the definition of selfishness.

His mech may not be optimal, but in the end, if that guy is smiling, and so am I, I could care less. They are here for the same things as I am, fun. If you want meta monkey shenanigans, go to the group queue, or CW. We drop solo so we can be who we are in this game. The biggest kick I get, is when i find one of you meta humpers, and I kill you with a sub-optimal build. It is a delight, and I can quit playing the rest of the day knowing I dropped one of your kind with what you would call a horrible mech lol.

To force someone to play the way you want him to play so that you can have fun is the TRUE definition of selfishness. To feel that people have to pay what they have paid, and follow your rules, get off it. I have spent far more than most in this game, and will bow to no one when it comes to my fun, and I expect no one to bow to my demands either. That is like asking the guy who just bought a Stingray to stay in the slow lane, or someone who bought a Jeep for offroading to keep it on the tar because electric and green is the new driving meta, ha, screw that, I bought my mechs so I could play with tiny little pixels that look like the giant stompy robots I played in 1980 on my TT, the way I want to play them, and when I want to play them. I did not spend this much money for some tool to tell me I am doing it wrong. LMFAO, grow up.

[TexAce]

^^This

Just because of those metahumpers here in this thread, I'm gonna take my baby to CW now and kill some humpers with LRMs. And then lick their hatetears. Just because I can.

Edited by TexAce, 18 February 2016 - 04:54 AM.

[Tranderas]

Zuesacoatl, on 18 February 2016 - 04:08 AM, said:

Sorry, but I buy a game for one purpose, and one purpose only, for ME to have fun. I could give a crap less if you are having fun, I did not buy this game for you, I bought it for me, and with being a founder, clans 1,2,and3, resistance 1 and 2, IIC, Phoenix, Marauder, WH, Riffleman, Archer, Kodiak(all of them with heroes), and sarahs purchaser, I really could care less about how you feel in this game. Unless you feel like coming over and tickling my jimmies while I play to make my purchases even more worth it, you matter very little to me.

Second, in tier 3, anything above 300 is above avg. The only players I have seen in matches with 1000+ consistently are players that I know are comp players, but anything over 800 is not a common thing to see in tier 3 matches. I am a decent player, and though some games when I am trying out a new build (like a Rifleman for the first time and die fast to XL check with 90 dmg) I only pull high 3s to 700s consistently. With a 1200+ dmg match when I jump in my dakka DWF.so to say 300 is low on an avg player in a light mech is just ludicrous. This is solo queue, not group, and not CW.

Third, meta is great in the right hands, but personally, I suck with gauss. I can use them, but nowhere near as effectively as I can other slug throwers, or the laser vomit. PPCs are the same for me, I just can never produce the damage I see other pilots push with them, I gimp the team when I try and play with meta weapons that I am no good at using. I am far more effective with what you might call a sub-optimal build because I can place the shots i want when I want them, versus using the gauss and failing. Forcing others into meta may seem like a great idea, but if those players just can not use those weapons, whether because of the charge mechanic or travel time compensation etc, it would be better for them to focus on weapons they can use.

His mech may not be optimal, but in the end, if that guy is smiling, and so am I, I could care less. They are here for the same things as I am, fun. If you want meta monkey shenanigans, go to the group queue, or CW. We drop solo so we can be who we are in this game. The biggest kick I get, is when i find one of you meta humpers, and I kill you with a sub-optimal build. It is a delight, and I can quit playing the rest of the day knowing I dropped one of your kind with what you would call a horrible mech lol.

To force someone to play the way you want him to play so that you can have fun is the TRUE definition of selfishness. To feel that people have to pay what they have paid, and follow your rules, get off it. I have spent far more than most in this game, and will bow to no one when it comes to my fun, and I expect no one to bow to my demands either. That is like asking the guy who just bought a Stingray to stay in the slow lane, or someone who bought a Jeep for offroading to keep it on the tar because electric and green is the new driving meta, ha, screw that, I bought my mechs so I could play with tiny little pixels that look like the giant stompy robots I played in 1980 on my TT, the way I want to play them, and when I want to play them. I did not spend this much money for some tool to tell me I am doing it wrong. LMFAO, grow up.

Why are you playing a team game if you don't want to do what's best for the team?

Your analogy is trash. It's not like watching a guy buy a fast car and expecting him to go slow; it's watching a guy buy an expensive car and expecting him not to crash it into the first streetlight he sees "for the fun of it." It's expecting him to be competent, to use the tools set in front of him properly.

But then again, the only thing "play for fun" folks think of when they hear the word "tool" is a mirror.

[Sandpit]

Zuesacoatl, on 18 February 2016 - 04:08 AM, said:

Sorry, but I buy a game for one purpose, and one purpose only, for ME to have fun.

free to play
then you'd probably have more fun in solo games as opposed to team based games

[Zuesacoatl]

Sandpit, on 02 March 2016 - 12:02 AM, said:

free to play
then you'd probably have more fun in solo games as opposed to team based games

Sand, I understand it is free to play, but I have spent a great deal on it for me to have fun. I would think you would have read the whole post instead of picking one thing out. I play the game, hell, I have dropped with you a couple times in matches with and against and I operate as a member of a team, but I will not take some meta weapons because I am not that great with some of them and will only gimp the team if I try and force myself to use them because some tryhard gets butt hurt if he sees me without them. Though the game is f2p, I still pay to play it, and again, I do so for me. I did not drop over the 1500+ I have on this game to be told by some meta junky how to play my mech. I drop on solo queues to play as I like.

I try my hardest to stay out of the group sandbox so they can have their tryhard game time while I have my fun time in solo. I help my teams, I just don't do it with try hard load outs of ppcs and gauss. I do it in a way that i can be viable to the team. I talk on comms, i follow orders if someone takes the lead, and I do what I can to win with the team. I use my mechs to screen others, protect the pigs, etc. But i can not use ppcs as effectively as I see others use them, and I put out more damage with a bit more unorthodox builds then with some meta weapons. I still use lazors, but I am not that good with ppcs and gauss, and I know my limitations with those weapons and will not bring them because I will gimp my team more if I forced myself to use them. That is the problem with a lot of people in this thread, they do not understand that the weapon system may be awesome in the right hands, but forcing them into the hands of those that cannot use it will only hurt the team.

I know my lack of skill with these weapons will keep me in the high tier 3 sometimes pushing to tier 2 bracket, but again, I understand my limitations, and apply my skill as best I can to help the unit I am fighting with.

Edited by Zuesacoatl, 02 March 2016 - 04:48 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

Zuesacoatl, on 02 March 2016 - 12:29 AM, said:

I try my hardest to stay out of the group sandbox so they can have their tryhard game time while I have my fun time in solo. I help my teams, I just don't do it with try hard load outs of ppcs and gauss. I do it in a way that i can be viable to the team. I talk on comms, i follow orders if someone takes the lead, and I do what I can to win with the team. I use my mechs to screen others, protect the pigs, etc. But i can not use ppcs as effectively as I see others use them, and I put out more damage with a bit more unorthodox builds then with some meta weapons. I still use lazors, but I am not that good with ppcs and gauss, and I know my limitations with those weapons and will not bring them because I will gimp my team more if I forced myself to use them. That is the problem with a lot of people in this thread do not understand. The weapon system may be awesome in the right hands, but forcing into the hands of those that cannot use it will only hurt the team.

I'm absolutely not trying to tell you you must use any weapon system or anything like that - but, like anything, its just practice. You ARE going to be bad with weapons you have never really used, and the only way you will ever get better at them is to accept being bad with them for a bit while you learn.

[juxstapo]

MeanFacedJohnny, on 14 February 2016 - 07:59 AM, said:

The fact that I've spent nearly $300 on this game since I started 3 years ago should tell you how much I like this game.

I find your lack of affection disturbing.

Ok, it seems as if everyone has gently remonstrated; 1. why LRMs on an Atlas causes so much salt, and 2. Not to worry about it while PUG'n and run what makes you giggle. Evryone runs unoptimized builds for some reason or other (trolling, just for kicks, TRO enthusiast, lost a bet, took a dare, etc.), also, ignoring chat shat is an essential skill to casually enjoying any online game.

But if and when you join a team, then I would espouse the viewpoint that some research and logical engineering is called for. Once the time and effort has been put in place to get a largish group of adults to all sit down to a video game together and play against a comparable group then you do owe to your peers to build and play to the best of your ability... (unless you've an entire team of jokers, in which case you've probably joined Ransom's Corsairs or some such nonsense. )

EDIT: 34 pages?!?! Holy Richard Cameron Johnny What Have You Done?!?

Edited by juxstapo, 02 March 2016 - 04:21 AM.

[Zuesacoatl]

Widowmaker1981, on 02 March 2016 - 03:33 AM, said:

I'm absolutely not trying to tell you you must use any weapon system or anything like that - but, like anything, its just practice. You ARE going to be bad with weapons you have never really used, and the only way you will ever get better at them is to accept being bad with them for a bit while you learn.

The thing is, I am happy with where I am at. Though damage is not a good metric for player skill, I do put out no less than 300+ dmg on a bad match, and higher on my good ones. I focus on helping the team with where I can be the most effective, even using my mostly stripped mech to shield one of my mates that is still pumping damage into the op-for. I do not enjoy PPCs or Gauss because I am no good at them, and do not wish to honestly try any more because it takes the fun out of the game when you try them, and just fail for your team. I may see a tier 1 player now and then, but I am sure that most I have played with can attest that I am a decent pilot, and a great team member. To me, that is all I need in solo queue because I am not trying to be competitive, I am dropping to have fun. Tier 3/2 is where my skill has taken me, if I wanted to be any better, I would join another unit, I have 7 kids, a great job, and just enough time to have fun in MWO, i am not going to ruin that time to press into tier 1 and join a unit, as I said, I already have a job lol.

I understand that you may not be one of the ones that wants to force weapons systems down peoples throats, but you are the minority when it comes to comp and tryhard players, if you read through all 34 pages in this thread, you will see the theme of "if you don't play my way, and with the weapons i say, you are a horrible person, and should delete MWO!" and "How can you have fun if you are not running the toppest most highest ubberest of meta builds us tryhards say you should be running?"

[Rushin Roulette]

Just at a side note at MrMadguy... what the heck are you trying to say with your signature?

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I quit this game, till it won't be fixed.

[Bud Crue]

In a t4 pug match last night, I was driving my "support/sniper" Panther. Its the resistance variant, with only 1ERPPC, 2ams, full jump jets, a beagle and an xl250. My goal with my 107 mechs is to make everyone different and useful. This one is intended to be a mech that if I end up on team that groups I try to stay with the assaults and provide a bit of AMS protection and to let nasty lights know to keep their distance. Or if I drop with a group of scatterers I can get up high and snipe/harass the enemy.

So back to the match. Team of scatterers. Ran around providing support and sniping where I could. Ended up alone against the last enemy Stalker. Couldn't manage to bring it down, but hit it at least 6-7 times (darting around trying not to die, its hard to focus). The other three survivors of my team finally lumber around a corner and finish off the stalker (it was down to one laser) and one of em types into chat "That panther build sucks." End of match I had 382 damage and 2 kills (1 solo) with a single ERPPC.

That Panther isn't meta. It isn't optimum. But it most certainly was effective and it was fun. We won. I did more than most in ensuring that victory. Yet my 35 ton less than optimum mech is the point o your ire? Blow it out your a$$.