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[CK16]

Hit the Deck, on 28 May 2016 - 04:45 PM, said:

If they decide to inflate the arm ballistic hardpoint, it can do a respectable 2UAC/10+2UAC/5 with 10 tons of ammo (5 tons for each type), maximum armor, one Jump Jet, 11DHS, while keeping the engine:



KDK-3 is still better because it can strip its arms' armor for more ammo but it can't jump and have more limited pitch angle (because of torso mounted weapons - not that it really matters).

Yea, here is to hoping we get such inflation lol. Would make things interesting if we can get at least one variant that has 2 ballistic per arm. Also given hero's are made up, maybe we get a hero with such a config maybe instead? Like something with quad UAC 5's with laser back up or something of the like.

Edited by CK16, 28 May 2016 - 06:17 PM.

[Hit the Deck]

CK16, on 28 May 2016 - 06:16 PM, said:

Yea, here is to hoping we get such inflation lol. Would make things interesting if we can get at least one variant that has 2 ballistic per arm. Also given hero's are made up, maybe we get a hero with such a config maybe instead? Like something with quad UAC 5's with laser back up or something of the like.

Assuming that we still have the current balance, that would make the Hero very desirable, for sure. Cries of P2W incoming

[CK16]

Hit the Deck, on 28 May 2016 - 06:55 PM, said:

Assuming that we still have the current balance, that would make the Hero very desirable, for sure. Cries of P2W incoming

Well they have to be able to sell the hero! I mean look at the heros that are crap....think they sell well? lol

[Green Mamba]

Finally we can have a TW with JJs ..oh wait

[CK16]

Green Mamba, on 28 May 2016 - 08:39 PM, said:

Finally we can have a TW with JJs ..oh wait

Its more then just JJ's that make this mech unique over the Timber Wolf....For one its 15 tons heavier, with that comes with what you would want, more armor, more free tonnage, also its a Battlemech so you can change engine, armor, structure, remove JJ's ect. ect ect. Nothing is fixed. Plus it has arms like the Ebon Jaguar.

[CK16]

So I was thinking of some unique quirks to make the chassis stand out a bit (not that it needs it but for fun)

-All variants a slight JJ quirk, if one exists either duration or more thrust.


-MCMkII-1: Gauss Rifle Cool down by -10% Missile cool down -10% (give it the long range suppression fire title it is told to have) agility quirks.

-MCMkII-2: LBX spread by -5% Missile spread by -10% (for better brawling)agility quriks

-MCMkII-4: Energy range by +5% (helping energy boat a bit since only 4 slots in the arms) agility quirks

-MCMkII-6: Energy cool down by -10% and additional structure/armor by %5 overall (replicating Harjel units)

What do you think?

Edited by CK16, 14 June 2016 - 07:59 PM.

[CK16]

Sooo I was playing with some "Meta builds" of how the Mk II could be seen in MWO, although the last one I could not get tonnage right, in MWO should be able to mount twin UAC20's and 4 SRM's sooo....

Spoiler

Thoughts?

What do you guys think would be good hard point inflation?

MCMK-II-1: 4 Ballistic, 4 Energy, 2 Missile
MCMK-II-2: 2 Ballistic, 6 Energy 4 Missile
MCMK-II-4: 4 Energy 4 Missile
MCMK-II-6: 8 Energy

??? Does it need it??? I would love 1 variant at least with 4 ballistic!

[Scout Derek]

I'm surprised Imperius doesn't come here and talk about the MK II. He was a big fan of it.

[Hit the Deck]

Procurator Derek, on 22 June 2016 - 08:59 PM, said:

I'm surprised Imperius doesn't come here and talk about the MK II. He was a big fan of it.

The whale is currently playing other games because he's mad at Russ who is just dangling a carrot in front of him.

[CK16]

Easy guys you say his name in the mirror 2 more times he will be summoned o.O

But seriously, what would you guys possibly run on a MK II? Any varriants stick out?

Edited by CK16, 22 June 2016 - 09:17 PM.

[Scout Derek]

CK16, on 22 June 2016 - 09:14 PM, said:

Easy guys you say his name in the mirror 2 more times he will be summoned o.O

But seriously, what would you guys possibly run on a MK II? Any varriants stick out?

The TBRMKII-2 Stands out for me. Dual AC/10 with quad SRM6+A with either 6 ML, 6SPL, or 6SL. If that will fit that is.

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 22 June 2016 - 09:14 PM, said:

Easy guys you say his name in the mirror 2 more times he will be summoned o.O

But seriously, what would you guys possibly run on a MK II? Any varriants stick out?

If was forced to run it...

Dual UAC/10 (or UAC/20 depending on my mood)
Dual ASRM4
MPLs
Ammo to taste.

Nothing special, just a down and dirty murder machine.

[dervishx5]

Procurator Derek, on 22 June 2016 - 08:59 PM, said:

I'm surprised Imperius doesn't come here and talk about the MK II. He was a big fan of it.

Well he's not interested in talking to people who don't agree with him.

[Battlemaster56]

CK16, on 22 June 2016 - 09:14 PM, said:

Easy guys you say his name in the mirror 2 more times he will be summoned o.O

But seriously, what would you guys possibly run on a MK II? Any varriants stick out?

Not many since most of the variants are pretty much the same, mostly be dual gauss and some lasers with srm back up or dual uac10s with lasers none really stand out even the Dark Age variants looks uninteresting

[Hit the Deck]

CK16, on 22 June 2016 - 09:14 PM, said:

Easy guys yoy say his name in the mirror 2 more times he will be summoned o.O

But seriously, what would you guys possibly run on a MK II? Any varriants stick out?

Well, it would be released after the GH v.2 goes live. That's a good thing IMO because this 'Mech can't really boat anything but she can already do pretty decent loadouts.

BTW concerning its size or silhouette, I guess it will look decent for a 90 tonner because of its shape (though it's a bit gangly). Could someone extrapolate how a 90 tons Timber Wolf look like compared to other 'Mechs?

Battlemaster56, on 22 June 2016 - 09:22 PM, said:

Not many since most of the variants are pretty much the same, mostly be dual gauss and some lasers with srm back up or dual uac10s with lasers none really stand out even the Dark Age variants looks uninteresting

Let's hope for ballistic inflation on the arms

[Battlemaster56]

Hit the Deck, on 22 June 2016 - 09:25 PM, said:

Well, it would be released after the GH v.2 goes live. That's a good thing IMO because this 'Mech can't really boat anything but she can already do pretty decent loadouts.

BTW concerning its size or silhouette, I guess it will look decent for a 90 tonner because of its shape (though it's a bit gangly). Could someone extrapolate how a 90 tons Timber Wolf look like compared to other 'Mechs?


Let's hope for ballistic inflation on the arms

Some extra dakka be nice maybe quad uac5 with srms seems nasty

[Strum Wealh]

Hit the Deck, on 22 June 2016 - 09:25 PM, said:

BTW concerning its size or silhouette, I guess it will look decent for a 90 tonner because of its shape (though it's a bit gangly). Could someone extrapolate how a 90 tons Timber Wolf look like compared to other 'Mechs?

90/75 = 1.20
1.2^(1/3) = 1.06266

As the Mk.II is 20% more massive than the original Mad Cat (90 tons for the Mk.II, vs the original's 75 tons), it would/should have ~20% more overall volume under PGI's volumetric scaling system.

A volumetric increase of 20% corresponds to an upscaling of the 'Mech's linear dimensions by ~6.27% (as increase in volume is the cube of the increase in scale from the original linear dimensions; see the Square-Cube Law) - that is, a "90-ton Mad Cat" using the same 3D model as the original would be ~6.27% taller overall, ~6.27% wider overall, ~6.27% longer/deeper overall, have limbs that are ~6.27% thicker than those of the original, and so on and so forth.

However, the traditional Mk.II design is usually represented as having thinner and somewhat gangly legs & missing most of the arm assembly between the gun pod and the body, and having a somewhat-less-pronounced "hunchback" (the boxy part between the missile launchers). That volume - very likely more than the traditionally-larger arm pods could account for, by themselves, and still remain well-proportioned - "has to go somewhere", which would likely mean making the body even longer and/or wider and/or taller overall (versus that of a "simply scaled-up Mad Cat").

[CK16]

So after some searching and digging up on the Mad Cat Mk II, I got into a bit in Field Manual Updates and found this tidbit.



A Trail of Refusal that the Jade Falcon's declared for against Clan Diamond Shark over the Ha Otoko design, along with the Sharks intentions to sell the design to the DCMS. Their defense was that it is the warrior not the technology, thus to prove they were serious, they issued they would fight the trail in 2nd line “inferior” battlemechs. This took place in I believe post 3061, landing right at the time that the Mk II was fresh off the assembly lines, or just at the end of its development. Now what does this have to do with the Mad Cat Mk II? Simple it is a Battlemech, and at this time a very new design the Sharks would have been wanting to field test and show off as well (they are merchants!). So one could say a high ranking leader could have access to the mech early, and could have a custom varriant made realitivly quickly (compared to standard refit times) for such a trial.

The Shark I chose was SaKahn Angus Labov (who probably lead the Diamond Sharks in this trial).

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Angus_Labov"]http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Angus_Labov

An idea for this Custom varriant comes from Metus regem with this build.

Metus regem, on 30 June 2016 - 09:40 AM, said:

Not much is given on him as a Warrior, mostly as a merchant... so if I had to guess, I would say a more frugal armament. He was also noted as being more of a long term planner, rather than short term, so we can expect to see weapons that would be better later in a match, if I had to guess, this is how I think he'd run a Mk. II

Spoiler

Angus Labov's Mk.II

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3065
Cost: 24,112,900 C-Bills
Battle Value: 3,181

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 69.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
1 Gauss Rifle
1 LB 20-X AC
5 ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 138 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 360 16.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 3 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 2 LT, 1 RT 6.00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 4 LT, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: LT, LA, RA 0.00

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 29 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 19 28
L/R Torso (rear) 10
L/R Arm 15 25
L/R Leg 19 32

================================================================================
Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Medium Laser HD 5 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers CT 10 2 2.00
ER Medium Laser RT 5 1 1.00
Targeting Computer RT - 6 6.00
ER Medium Laser LT 5 1 1.00
Gauss Rifle RA 1 6 12.00
LB 20-X AC LA 6 9 12.00
@LB 20-X (Slug) (5) LT - 1 1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) RA - 2 2.00
@LB 20-X (Cluster) (5) LA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 32
4/2j 6 7 2 0 4 0 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, FLK 1/1/0

That set up gives him long range punch with Gauss + TC combo, and close range murder with the LB-20+5 ERML, firing everything would leave him at +4 heat, just under the -1mp. How ever due to the bracket nature of this build, he wouldn't be using the GR when he's using the LB-20+5ERML, meaning that once he's in close and walking he can use everything but the GR and be at +4 heat.

I would really like if anyone knows any well known Diamond Sharks of this era let me know so can try to dig some info on them as well, maybe a few options here...

Edited by CK16, 01 July 2016 - 09:47 PM.

[Hit the Deck]

CK16, on 01 July 2016 - 09:42 PM, said:

...Their defense was that it is the warrior not the technology, thus to prove they were serious, they issued they would fight the trail in 2nd line “inferior” battlemechs.

So, the saying "it's the pilot" turns out to find its way back to the Jade Falcon

[Strum Wealh]

CK16, on 01 July 2016 - 09:42 PM, said:

So after some searching and digging up on the Mad Cat Mk II, I got into a bit in Field Manual Updates and found this tidbit.



A Trail of Refusal that the Jade Falcon's declared for against Clan Diamond Shark over the Ha Otoko design, along with the Sharks intentions to sell the design to the DCMS. Their defense was that it is the warrior not the technology, thus to prove they were serious, they issued they would fight the trail in 2nd line “inferior” battlemechs. This took place in I believe post 3061, landing right at the time that the Mk II was fresh off the assembly lines, or just at the end of its development. Now what does this have to do with the Mad Cat Mk II? Simple it is a Battlemech, and at this time a very new design the Sharks would have been wanting to field test and show off as well (they are merchants!). So one could say a high ranking leader could have access to the mech early, and could have a custom varriant made realitivly quickly (compared to standard refit times) for such a trial.

However, it should be noted that the very next page (that is, page 59) of Field Manual: Updates states:
"The furor over HarJel pales next to the outright disbelief and anger as the Diamond Sharks continue their plans to supply the Inner Sphere with military technology. In 3066, they unveiled the Mad Cat Mk II. Based on the popular Clan Timber Wolf design, the Sharks kept its Inner Sphere designation, as they intend to sell it specifically within Inner Sphere borders. Unlike the Ha Otoko, the Mad Cat Mk II is not a stripped-down version, but incorporates fully functional Clan technology (and a service contract that includes Diamond Shark technicians to keep it running at peak performance). Diamond Shark arguments that the BattleMech showcases only old Clan equipment, nothing cutting-edge, will not forestall challenges for long."

It is also stated (on page 59 of Field Manual: Updates) that "[Alpha Galaxy's] warriors have gotten few chances recently for heavy action, but that is expected to change in the next few months as the first challenges come over the Mad Cat Mk II (and Warhammer IIC) programs."

If the Mad Cat Mk II was "unveiled" ("show[n] or announce[d] publicly for the first time") in 3066, then it could not have taken place in the Trial against the Falcons in 3061.
Additionally, Field Manual: Updates is written from the viewpoint of 3067 ("...including a history section that will bridge the gap between where the appropriate field manual left off and the current year of 3067..."), so the statement that the first challenges over the Mad Cat Mk II would be forthcoming serves to further highlight its newness (and reinforce the point that it had been introduced only recently, relative to the FM's viewpoint).