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[Percy Veer]

Has the word game, strategy, tactics gone beyond your understanding.

Meta...meta..meta...

Sounds like a pseudo-intellectual to me!

You know...a real wannabe!

[Revis Volek]

What does this have to do with MWO?

[Cion]

Dude, understanding your other thread here and being understanding and all on your situation, do try to pause a few seconds before posting a thread like this.

You might be right on the concept, and have some great insights, but get a buddy/friend to help you review things like these before posting on someplace where they will be stuck for a long time.

Good luck bro.

[MischiefSC]

It's a slang term in this community for whatever currently works best in the given MW:O balance scheme. It's no more a misuse than saying something is cool or dope.

It's a topic that gets discussed a lot and typing out "optimized chassis specific laser loadout in the current balance iteration" gets old quickly. Instead we say "the meta".

We have a lot of appropriated words here. A sort of local nerd dialect.

[Nauht]

You whippersnappers. In my day the word to describe the current trend was "FOTM".

Ah, those were the golden days....

[Jables McBarty]

Just as that guy that sounds like a tank commander from the Gulf War might actually have been a tank commander in the Gulf War, some of the people using the word "meta" might actually be intellectuals. Like academics and writers and stuff. It may be a small player base, but it is certainly a diverse player base.

[Realizer]

Perfect balance in games with different load outs, structural designs, and weapon options is a fallacy at best. It would be almost impossible to create a game where every option the player has is equal to another. This situation creates a balance where certain builds or play-styles will always be stronger than others. This is called a Meta situation, where you are saying okay what happens when the players are of theoretically equal skills levels, which build wins? That's what Meta is, every game has one. Every thing in life has this situation, there is always a choice that in theory is the better choice. Whether that be cooking, building, finances, politics, you name it; there will always be a way/path/design that is slightly better or easier to perform with the same results.

That's life, it's one giant meta, and it's how things work.

Edited by Realizer, 17 February 2016 - 03:31 PM.

[Wolfways]

Meta, FOTM, etc. It's just a crutch for bad players so they can pretend they are better than they actually are

Why bother playing a build you enjoy when you can play something boring that doubles your match score? Unless for some reason the match score is the thing that is fun to you of course....

[LordNothing]

every game has its own lingo, as wrong as it usually is (and you cant tell em its wrong then they start trolling you with it and everyone copies them because people are sheep). meta is a troll word used by trolls who just want to confuse the living hell out of people. in this game however its used as a truncation for a certain cheat site people source their builds from to be competitive (circumventing the fun part of the game that lets you try to find the best build you can through trial and error, rather than with excel). it also is seemingly used as synonym for any strategy deemed superior at the time.

its annoying i know. the best thing you can do is stand resolute and use exact language and not fall into the trap of using four letter words to describe everything. you will be doing everyone a favor. this is why i prefer "optimal" instead of meta to denote a mech that is in the best config it can be in, and i also use the words like "strategy" or "tactics" instead using meta as a stand in for same.

Edited by LordNothing, 17 February 2016 - 04:41 PM.

[Gyrok]

Just going to leave this here:

https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Metagaming

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Computer games

Recently the term metagame has come to be used^{[citation needed]} by PC Gaming shoutcasters to describe an emergent methodology that is a subset of the basic strategy necessary to play the game at a high level. The definitions of this term are varied but can include "pre-game" theory, behavior prediction, or "ad hoc strategy" depending on the game being played. An example of this would be in StarCraft where a player's previous matches with the same opponent have given them insight into that player's playstyle and may cause them to make certain decisions which would otherwise seem inferior.

Edited by Gyrok, 17 February 2016 - 04:36 PM.

[LordNothing]

and there is that, the general term. so now we use one word for 3 different things. and you wonder why people get confused. the word is over used and in most cases unnecessary.

Edited by LordNothing, 17 February 2016 - 04:47 PM.

[Malachy Karrde]

Its not necessarily what works best...its what a few people who think they know everything think works best. What works best is what works for you as a pilot, not what some elitist snob thinks is best. There is a difference. Meta is a bad word in my book. If its "meta" I want nothing to do with it.

[Realizer]

On higher level of abstraction
Any subject can be said to have a meta-theory, a theoretical consideration of its properties, such as its foundations, methods, form and utility, on a higher level of abstraction. In linguistics, a grammar is considered as being expressed in a metalanguage, language that operates on a higher level in order to describe properties of the plain language (and not itself)
Meta is also gaining currency as an adjective, as well as a prefix, as in the work of Douglas Hofstadter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta

People who deny such ways of thought, in my experience are generally people who think diet soda is good for you. (Just trying to be as honest as others seemed to be in this thread.)

Edited by Realizer, 17 February 2016 - 04:54 PM.

[sycocys]

Cion, on 17 February 2016 - 03:07 PM, said:

Dude, understanding your other thread here and being understanding and all on your situation, do try to pause a few seconds before posting a thread like this.

You might be right on the concept, and have some great insights, but get a buddy/friend to help you review things like these before posting on someplace where they will be stuck for a long time.

Good luck bro.

I was just going to post the same thing.

[LordNothing]

when a word has too many meanings, sometimes its better to use a different word.

[Alistair Winter]

Percy Veer, on 17 February 2016 - 02:58 PM, said:

Has the word game, strategy, tactics gone beyond your understanding.

Meta...meta..meta...

Sounds like a pseudo-intellectual to me!

You know...a real wannabe!

Don't be rude.

[Moldur]

Meta is supposed to specifically refer to tactics or strategy pertaining to utilizing information outside what makes sense "just based off numbers" so to speak. It is "gaming the game" based off how you think other people are going to be playing it due to various factors that might not normally be considered. Yes, people use it wrongly all the time.

For instance, if you know that the enemy will probably be doing a light rush in CW, and tell everyone to grab SSRM boats, even though you are dropping on Boreal Vault, that is playing meta. You are being effective based off how others are likely to play the game, rather than strictly what makes sense based off the map, numbers, or what would make sense if you were to be "going in blind" so to speak. Meta continues to build on top of itself as people continue to anticipate each other.

[PocketYoda]

Meta is term for "do it my way or leave" you ignore those types..

Its a game play it as you see fit, if that angers others so be it.

[Bishop Steiner]

Percy Veer, on 17 February 2016 - 02:58 PM, said:

Has the word game, strategy, tactics gone beyond your understanding.

Meta...meta..meta...

Sounds like a pseudo-intellectual to me!

You know...a real wannabe!

Ah, look at you, all trying to sound smart and special. Emphasis on trying.

Someone must have been given a shiny new dictionary for their birthday, and feeling like all kinds of a special princess, eh?

You know the word "gay" actually means "happy, carefree" and "shambles", a meat market, whilst "******" means a bundle of sticks. I wonder why nobody reacts to those terms in "their intended" definitions?

Crazy, right?

Oh, but linguistic evolution and contextual use changes things, you say? Yes, indeed it does. Even when one says "meta".

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 February 2016 - 07:08 PM.

[LordNothing]

language evolves, we get it. that still doesn't make people who use the word "meta" look smart. it means so many things that it is vague and useless. its actual meaning can only be inferred by its context. this is not an elegant way to use language, especially when there are synonyms with more explicit meaning that can be used. but that isnt cool so we use words that all the cool people are using.