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[Jetfire]

Ted Wayz, on 18 February 2016 - 05:09 PM, said:

AC2's tickle. But I admit sometimes they make me pause and say "is he really firing AC2's?" and take a whole 8-12 damage before moving along.

I mean I guess I tickled a few faces off last night, including putting down two lights in a row that tried to jump me, but then my AC leading is on point.

Ted Wayz, on 18 February 2016 - 05:18 PM, said:

This long range fire support you speak of. Who does that? Besides mechs that like to be caught alone by lights. Not a good play in a lightly armored, no armor or structure quirk mech with a 120 degree turn radius.

And short range finisher? Over a AC20 Dragon, Medium Pulse Quickdraw or Streak Dog? Okay. Personal preference I guess.

LBX20 with 4 mplas.... yeah eating King Crabs even with ease. It's ok, everyone thought I was insane when I said the BJ-1X was a champ too.

[Nightshade24]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 19 February 2016 - 09:36 AM, said:

ERPPC Lights haven't ever been a serious meta.

They were quite commonly as popular as Cataphracts w/ 2 PPC + Gauss, was the only lights meta groups would use, and most often the entireity of the Light population in a match (By that I mean 50-75% of all light mechs in the game was rather an ER PPC Spider or a derivative). If it isn't meta, than it's competitive, or over powered, or what ever word see's fit if it isn't "meta". Which it is as the definition of meta really does fit this.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Nightshade24, on 19 February 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

They were quite commonly as popular as Cataphracts w/ 2 PPC + Gauss

No they weren't, especially once the Ember dropped. I'm pretty prior to the Ember, it was Jenners or Ravens over Spiders, and neither of them mounted PPCs.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 19 February 2016 - 02:17 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Gyrok, on 19 February 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Not according to GMan:

http://www.nogutsnog....php?topic=3932

Kind of a preference thing, I would rather have a little more speed. I think I went with XL270 and 19 DHS but I can't remember right now.

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

It doesn't instantly obsolete all mechs that came before it...

Therefore it's not worth having?

[Raso]

The Atlas Overlord, on 19 February 2016 - 02:35 PM, said:

It doesn't instantly obsolete all mechs that came before it...

Therefore it's not worth having?

That's what I'm getting from this thread. Though it is hard to tell since it has devolved into the sort of PPC measuring and postulating I've come to expect from such discussions.
I'll have to look elsewhere for a level headed discussions about this mech...

[Nightshade24]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 19 February 2016 - 02:17 PM, said:

No they weren't, especially once the Ember dropped. I'm pretty prior to the Ember, it was Jenners or Ravens over Spiders, and neither of them mounted PPCs.

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 19 February 2016 - 09:36 AM, said:

ERPPC Lights haven't ever been a serious meta.

It appears that we are in a stalemate then.

[Ted Wayz]

The Atlas Overlord, on 19 February 2016 - 02:35 PM, said:

It doesn't instantly obsolete all mechs that came before it...

Therefore it's not worth having?

It is the worst 60 ton in the unspectacular 60 ton category.

It is worse than 55 ton and 50 ton mechs. And those are mediums. It is quite possibly the worst Heavy.

But the leaderboard will prove how good or bad it is. And there are plenty of heavy mech leaderboards to compare it against.

See what I did there?

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 19 February 2016 - 02:17 PM, said:

No they weren't, especially once the Ember dropped. I'm pretty prior to the Ember, it was Jenners or Ravens over Spiders, and neither of them mounted PPCs.

The broken hitbox Spider was something to behold. Saw one solo 5 mechs to win a match for us. As long as it was moving you really couldn't damage it.

Good thing there aren't mechs like that now.....wait a second....

[Gas Guzzler]

Ted Wayz, on 19 February 2016 - 03:01 PM, said:

Good thing there aren't mechs like that now.....wait a second....

There aren't.

[Y E O N N E]

Gyrok, on 19 February 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Not according to GMan:

http://www.nogutsnog....php?topic=3932

GMan's builds are guidelines, not always hard-and-fast definitive solutions to the meta. For a chassis this new, he's still spit-balling with the rest of us, anyway.

Personally, I'd rather not get caught out at 74 on a field where the best heavies run with a 15 kph advantage on that and the Mediums with a 20-25 kph advantage. Choosing between 17x DHS @ 81 kph or 19x DHS @ 74 kph, I choose the former.

[Morggo]

Before you reply by slapping yours up on the table... I get it, you're better than me. But damn Ted, how do you get through your front door with a head that big? You're competitive, fan-freaking-tastic but just because the majority of us don't stroke off to >1000 games every drop doesn't invalidate our opinions of the chassis quality. I've seen plenty of actual screen shots across the forums showing good solid performance as well as plenty of testimonials by people loving the Rifleman as to definitely not make it "quite possibly the worst 60 ton mech." You hate the chassis, we get it. Others find it meh, doesn't fit their playstyle, cool. Yet others are having a ball with it, even seen proponents in T2 and all tiers saying it's a fine mech. Damn dude, go seal club or carry your T1 match or crush the leaderboards but even if you do all that it doesn't mean your personal opinion is the final word on this chassis is the gospel we all must bow to. Some of us play for fun, the chassis performs and is fun. We win.

Edited by Morggo, 19 February 2016 - 03:18 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Morggo, on 19 February 2016 - 03:18 PM, said:

Before you reply by slapping yours up on the table... I get it, you're better than me. But damn Ted, how do you get through your front door with a head that big? You're competitive, fan-freaking-tastic but just because the majority of us don't stroke off to >1000 games every drop doesn't invalidate our opinions of the chassis quality. I've seen plenty of actual screen shots across the forums showing good solid performance as well as plenty of testimonials by people loving the Rifleman as to definitely not make it "quite possibly the worst 60 ton mech." You hate the chassis, we get it. Others find it meh, doesn't fit their playstyle, cool. Yet others are having a ball with it, even seen proponents in T2 and all tiers saying it's a fine mech. Damn dude, go seal club or carry your T1 match or crush the leaderboards but even if you do all that it doesn't mean your personal opinion is the final word on this chassis is the gospel we all must bow to. Some of us play for fun, the chassis performs and is fun. We win.

Ted Wayz is a competitive player? I didn't know that.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Yeonne Greene, on 19 February 2016 - 03:07 PM, said:

GMan's builds are guidelines, not always hard-and-fast definitive solutions to the meta. For a chassis this new, he's still spit-balling with the rest of us, anyway.

This.

[Bulletsponge0]

the only thing the rifleman need is some help for the STs...

[Jetfire]

Bulletsponge0, on 19 February 2016 - 03:52 PM, said:

the only thing the rifleman need is some help for the STs...

I certainly would not argue that it could use a little boost to the internals to boost it's survivability a little, I am fine with it being a glass cannon but even with an extra 5-10 pts of internals to the torsos it would be that, just a small level of forgiveness. Besides that I think it actually launched pretty much right. Does not seem to have any crazy hitbox issues so far at least.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

The only hitbox issue is with the antenna transferring damage into the CT. Remove that thing from the CT hitbox (it is, after all, only a damned antenna, not a glacis plate protecting vital components) and you solve 90% of the durability issues, leaving only the tendency towards crumpling under heavy fire that might be expected of a second-line fire support 'Mech compared to front-line skirmishers and brawlers like the QKD and DRG. I'd rather not be taking a dirt nap because PGI decided my anti-aircraft radar should be load-bearing... but at the same time, the RFL would feel all kinds of wrong if it could just gulp down a 60+ alpha, lick its monstrous lips, and ask for second helpings. The overall feel is right.

[Ted Wayz]

Armor breached game over with this mech. No durability.

Looking forward to the results over the weekend. Hopefully some of the bloodthirsty hardcore players (JMan5, McGral18, psichih0lic, VOLTRON, prtNspz, Project V 99, et. al.) put the mech through the paces and lend their voices, good or bad, on the state of this mech.

[Clownwarlord]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 19 February 2016 - 09:36 AM, said:

ERPPC Lights haven't ever been a serious meta.

You either where not playing during the time of the great lag shield, hit reg issues, and wonky hit boxes on the little ********. Or you just forgot about it.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

clownwarlord, on 19 February 2016 - 05:27 PM, said:

You either where not playing during the time of the great lag shield, hit reg issues, and wonky hit boxes on the little ********. Or you just forgot about it.

Or maybe, it was never a serious problem outside PUG queues.....

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Ted Wayz, on 19 February 2016 - 03:01 PM, said:

It is the worst 60 ton in the unspectacular 60 ton category.

It is worse than 55 ton and 50 ton mechs. And those are mediums. It is quite possibly the worst Heavy.

So "It's not better than everything else therefore bad" confirmed.

By this logic, find the worst assault and buff it....oh wait now there's a new worst assault.... better buff that too....oh wait....

Or we could just tone down all the OP mechs, and stop the power creep.

Edited by The Atlas Overlord, 19 February 2016 - 06:10 PM.