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[Crockdaddy]

Oh yeah thats right. The sore losers otherwise as a mega large unit in clan wolf simply use their 500 membership to spam the report button. What happens when they do it to you next.

[Kin3ticX]

I think it should be investigated

Report fraud is just as serious as violating the code of conduct if not more so

If you have 200 active players you can generate up to 1,000 reports per day if you intend to brigade someone with them

Edited by Kin3ticX, 04 March 2016 - 06:34 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Brigade use of the report button pretty much makes any sense of fairness in the process void.

Please ban the holy loving **** out of whoever spammed the report button. That's so cheap and feeble and immature it makes the community less.

We all get that NKVA can be snarky. What's worse is they can be funny in their mockery. When you try to put that into the same category as the guy I saw using racist epithets the other day you are abusing the system.

Trying to force people out of the game by abuse of the report button because they make fun of you is... I don't even.

[fbj]

I am actually upset to hear about this.

I find this disturbing and hope this doesn't happen to anyone unfairly.

[MischiefSC]

fbj, on 04 March 2016 - 08:53 PM, said:

I am actually upset to hear about this.

I find this disturbing and hope this doesn't happen to anyone unfairly.

Exactly. This is people trying to use the report system to bully other players.

If you don't like the trash talk that can come up in the game you can block it. If you just flat out can't handle what someone writes on the forums (lol. Really have to laugh at this one) you can block that too.

The report button is a useful tool. When some guy is spamming racial epithets and otherwise being a horrible example of the human race he needs a timeout.

Someone talking trash before or after they beat you in a pvp game isn't that. It's not even close.

Getting your buddies to spam report to drive someone or a group of someone thrown out of the game because you feel they disrespected you isn't in the same scale.

That is, in fact, an abuse in and of itself.

Do we have proof this happened? Is this accusation or event?

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

I'm assuming you are talking about my unit which reported NKVA a couple weeks or so ago. I wasn't there but I believe they did this because one of their members was talking about not being happy until our members were strung up from light posts by their necks.

I wasn't around for any of this but obviously real life threats are against the terms of service and our guys quickly reported the perpetrator. We typically find NKVA amusing and just tell our guys to ignore but in this case they decided to actually have everyone in the drop report the issue for obvious reasons. Even our guys that used to find them a bit funny aren't amused anymore and simply report them now for when they get abusive. A line was crossed and a couple of my drop callers simply tell their guys to report NKVA when they get abusive which is sad as a couple of these guys used to actually find them funny. These guys never reported them for anything before and had no problem losing to them but now have largely had enough after that unfortunate incident.

Spamming the report button is in violation of the TOS and a punishable offense and not something we do in our unit as it is offensive. Perhaps next time before you make yourself look like a jackass you can find out what actually happened before picking a silly fight on the forums.

You guys gossip worse than high schoolers. No one has anyway of knowing who is reporting who which means all this is speculation. Mass reporting for no reason is bannable if I am not mistaken so why would anyone do this unless they wanted to be banned?

FYI: I checked with the group that reported them and they actually didn't use the report button as it is too easy to spam. They took screenshots of the threat and then sent it into PGI directly through email.

Edited by Blueduck, 04 March 2016 - 11:34 PM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Can we report people for being bad yet?

[Lupis Volk]

Man this sounds like WoT South East Asia all over again. In the end the staff just turned off the report button function. people cans till file reports but they aren't sent.

[Kin3ticX]

Blueduck, on 04 March 2016 - 10:56 PM, said:

I wasn't there but I believe they did this because one of their members was talking about not being happy until our members were strung up from light posts by their necks.

Interesting.... yeah that is certainly taking things too far, but that was just 1 person right?

I'm still curious if multiple NKVA were banned, they usually chime in on things by now

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Don't know, don't care. I wasn't even there at the time. My guys discussed and decided they were going to send in screenshots directly, they didn't even use the in game report tool.

Discussing moderation is against the TOS and frankly I don't even know all the exact details of the game. I know the 12 man that was fighting against them at the time and they like to have fun regardless of whether they win or lose and are not the sort of guys to get pissy if they lose. I trust the leaders of that group to know when a line was crossed and they responded accordingly.

[WrongFloor]

Well I'm not sure what we are actually allowed to say, because discussing bans on behalf of someone else on the forums is apparently against the CoC, so I'll leave names out and be brief. One of the bans was 100% justified, I was in that game and we saw it coming as soon as we read the message. There were 8 or 9 other people who got two week bans. As far as I know there were no chat logs cited for any of the bans, even after sending a follow-up email asking for them. There are a couple members that were banned whom I've never seen come anywhere close to crossing the line (or even have the desire to) in the month or so I've been in NKVA. Another was an alt account who apparently hasn't logged in for a few months.

Edited by WrongFloor, 05 March 2016 - 01:10 AM.

[MischiefSC]

WrongFloor, on 05 March 2016 - 01:09 AM, said:

Well I'm not sure what we are actually allowed to say, because discussing bans on behalf of someone else on the forums is apparently against the CoC, so I'll leave names out and be brief. One of the bans was 100% justified, I was in that game and we saw it coming as soon as we read the message. There were 8 or 9 other people who got two week bans. As far as I know there were no chat logs cited for any of the bans, even after sending a follow-up email asking for them. There are a couple members that were banned whom I've never seen come anywhere close to crossing the line (or even have the desire to) in the month or so I've been in NKVA. Another was an alt account who apparently hasn't logged in for a few months.

Which is exactly the problem.

This is why brigading is considered such an issue. You get a bunch of people thrumming with indignation at having been disrespected (oh noes. The humanities!) and start the process of constant reporting. Eventually something big enough to actually be worth reporting shows up and it gets blown entirely out of proportion because of the otherwise baseless crap pile that's been built up by tearful self-important outrage.

I've piled profanity laced rants on this forum. Page long ones. I've used special characters, spaces and such to bypass profanity filters. I talk so much trash in chat in game I routinely have my own team saying stuff like 'less talking more fighting. I've discussed bans and specific people, half the people on the forums have. I've never been banned. Most of us haven't. Why? It's a PvP game and this happens.

The only thing we haven't done is persistently and consistently disrespect a specific, highly reactionary segment of the games population.

That's it. Not that NKVA likely hasn't done as much or more bannable stuff as anyone else here. The issue isn't that someone from NKVA did something worthy of a ban - of course they did. Is a comment like that ban-worthy? Sure. For the guy who said it. If they said something worse in team chat....

so double-*******-what.

The issue here is the impression that's built up on the forums and in game for the last year that a specific, highly reactionary segment of the games population has leveraged a year long brigade of outrage and self-important ********** to drive punishment from PGI.

I've had a lot of interactions with PGI support. Requests, issues, orders, order-issues, they've all been great. What can I say, I'm needy. However nobody is immune to the impact of suggestion. That's why brigading works - you create the impression of importance to an issue that's out of context to the actual action.

Given that I don't think NKVA actually knows the players in question you can't actually say it was a personal threat - that would involve actually personally knowing them. The long exchange between Kurita and Davion about the massacre of civilians on Kentares was a similar vein of trashtalking. If it went beyond the line, that's understandable. That happens.

However when certain teams use degrading racial slurs in a very personal and direct way the whole team involved didn't get banned. When I saw someone say 'You f***ing (term for a specific ethnic group)' in all chat it's entirely possible he didn't get a 2 week ban. Maybe a warning or the like. I can guarantee the whole team he was on didn't largely get banned even if they said something profane of a similar vein in team chat.

Now I've got to wonder if the problem isn't the use of report and sending reports to support. Maybe the rest of us just aren't doing it enough to get our way?

[Der Hesse]

Some people think that the internet is outside the law.
It´s good to remind those from time to time that it is not.

[MischiefSC]

Der Hesse, on 05 March 2016 - 03:35 AM, said:

Some people think that the internet is outside the law.
It´s good to remind those from time to time that it is not.

Except that the law in question is arbitrary and can be manipulated?

[Ductus Hase]

Personal honor is protected by law - at least in germany.
Threatening or insulting someone is a crime over here.

[SplashDown]

some-1 saying they are going to hurt you is a threat...wishing you wer hurt is not a threat!..learn the diff and dont be a carebear

[Cy Mitchell]

MischiefSC, on 04 March 2016 - 06:53 PM, said:

Brigade use of the report button pretty much makes any sense of fairness in the process void.

Please ban the holy loving **** out of whoever spammed the report button. That's so cheap and feeble and immature it makes the community less.

We all get that NKVA can be snarky. What's worse is they can be funny in their mockery. When you try to put that into the same category as the guy I saw using racist epithets the other day you are abusing the system.

Trying to force people out of the game by abuse of the report button because they make fun of you is... I don't even.

You do realize that allowing the TOXIC environment that you are defending actually forces more people out of the game than PGI taking action to make the gaming experience more enjoyable for everyone?

[Kyle Ward]

Rampage, on 05 March 2016 - 05:37 AM, said:

You do realize that allowing the TOXIC environment that you are defending actually forces more people out of the game than PGI taking action to make the gaming experience more enjoyable for everyone?

Sometimes i get the impression the MWO community is worse than the LoL, DotA, CS or CoD communities and that cant be a good thing...

Edited by Kyle Ward, 05 March 2016 - 08:23 AM.

[Kin3ticX]

WrongFloor, on 05 March 2016 - 01:09 AM, said:

Well I'm not sure what we are actually allowed to say, because discussing bans on behalf of someone else on the forums is apparently against the CoC, so I'll leave names out and be brief. One of the bans was 100% justified, I was in that game and we saw it coming as soon as we read the message. There were 8 or 9 other people who got two week bans. As far as I know there were no chat logs cited for any of the bans, even after sending a follow-up email asking for them. There are a couple members that were banned whom I've never seen come anywhere close to crossing the line (or even have the desire to) in the month or so I've been in NKVA. Another was an alt account who apparently hasn't logged in for a few months.

Still wondering if in game report brigading was going on here

Edited by Kin3ticX, 05 March 2016 - 09:25 AM.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Kin3ticX, on 05 March 2016 - 09:04 AM, said:

Still wondering if in game report brigading was going on here

How about we use logic to determine if this was the case.

1) Mass reporting would result in the game being investigated by PGI

2) PGI would determine if reported offenses occurred by investigating the game logs

3) Either reported player would be punished if reports were true or reporting players would be punished if reports were false

And logic reveals all.

I'm a little surprised as to how quickly members of MercStar were willing to jump on the stupid bandwagon. Aren't you guys accused of stupid stuff all the time that makes no common sense and defies logic?