Connor Davion, on 18 March 2016 - 05:03 PM, said:
Remember this is just steam. I still have not bothered to get the steam version and I am sure they are probably others like me...
Yes, I am aware and I haven't bothered with steam client either.
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Where Have All The Players Gone?
Started by KahnWongFuChung, Mar 18 2016 08:54 AM
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Posted 21 March 2016 - 11:31 AM
Remember this is just steam. I still have not bothered to get the steam version and I am sure they are probably others like me...
Yes, I am aware and I haven't bothered with steam client either.
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Posted 21 March 2016 - 11:39 AM
Steam client.. just more **** eating up your precious RAM.
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Posted 21 March 2016 - 11:41 AM
Mister D, on 21 March 2016 - 11:39 AM, said:
Steam client.. just more **** eating up your precious RAM.
I have RAM to spare. It's logging into something so that I can log into something else that I don't care for.
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Posted 21 March 2016 - 01:47 PM
DAYLEET, on 21 March 2016 - 11:05 AM, said:
<Mentions Path of Exile>
I do love me the Hell out of Path of Exile.... hit us up or NightScorn if you want a group to play with.
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Posted 22 March 2016 - 01:12 AM
It's not advertising, it's the stale, beta product they have. I started playing a little over 3 years ago and I've been taking longer and longer breaks. Nothing has really changed with the game since beta. Weapon meta shifts once a year, we got a crap CW, new mechs only keep people so interested. There needs to be something deeper to this game. I haven't played in a couple months and just can't muster any excitement to log on. So I just check the forums once a week. I'm curious to see what they do with CW3, that's really the only thing that could possibly get me back in to this game.
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Posted 22 March 2016 - 12:27 PM
Unless CW is playable soon I think im done with MWO for a long time and walks away and closes wallet behind me.
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Posted 22 March 2016 - 12:42 PM
Jables McBarty, on 18 March 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:
I've only been playing 4 months and I feel like these threads are omnipresent...
http://mwomercs.com/...r-base-shrinks/
I think anybody who came to MWO with some prior MW/BT experience agrees that it would be nice to have more. But as I see it, in the end PGI is not a big company, so they are very limited in what they accomplish. They certainly have grand vision, and it appears that their overzealous early vision led to a lot of disillusionment among early players.
In the end, the BattleTech IP is not major cashcow, which is why we went a decade between MechAssault II and MWO. The IP rights are an absolute clusterf***. I'm not surprised that PGI are making a big deal out of the Reseen/Classic 'mechs because, by my limited understanding, it took a lot of negotiation to get those rights, something that has not been done for a long time.
I think that doing more lore-based tie-ins beyond the fiction blurbs that go with the mech releases would go a long way towards making the game feel more complete. Just adding filler text here and there beyond the GamePlay Tips would introduce new players to the immersive feel of BT (for example, where does the game fully explain the difference between Clan and IS tech?).
A lot of this could be done with minimal coding.
I think I Tristan has some good ideas here, but I don't think that PGI has the bandwidth to really do major expansions.
Based on my experience in the software development world, they are aware of what we want, and they have long-term hopes on what they can do, but they are also constrained in the short-term by (1) keeping the lights on and (2) fixing bugs and balance.
http://mwomercs.com/...r-base-shrinks/
I think anybody who came to MWO with some prior MW/BT experience agrees that it would be nice to have more. But as I see it, in the end PGI is not a big company, so they are very limited in what they accomplish. They certainly have grand vision, and it appears that their overzealous early vision led to a lot of disillusionment among early players.
In the end, the BattleTech IP is not major cashcow, which is why we went a decade between MechAssault II and MWO. The IP rights are an absolute clusterf***. I'm not surprised that PGI are making a big deal out of the Reseen/Classic 'mechs because, by my limited understanding, it took a lot of negotiation to get those rights, something that has not been done for a long time.
I think that doing more lore-based tie-ins beyond the fiction blurbs that go with the mech releases would go a long way towards making the game feel more complete. Just adding filler text here and there beyond the GamePlay Tips would introduce new players to the immersive feel of BT (for example, where does the game fully explain the difference between Clan and IS tech?).
A lot of this could be done with minimal coding.
I think I Tristan has some good ideas here, but I don't think that PGI has the bandwidth to really do major expansions.
Based on my experience in the software development world, they are aware of what we want, and they have long-term hopes on what they can do, but they are also constrained in the short-term by (1) keeping the lights on and (2) fixing bugs and balance.
That's wrong. it IS a major cashcow if done properly, due to whole generations of both BT and older MW palyers.
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Posted 22 March 2016 - 01:05 PM
IMHO I suspect game lost ALOT of players after the mega nerf that clan suffered in the last balance patch.
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Posted 22 March 2016 - 01:08 PM
adamts01, on 22 March 2016 - 01:12 AM, said:
It's not advertising, it's the stale, beta product they have. I started playing a little over 3 years ago and I've been taking longer and longer breaks. Nothing has really changed with the game since beta. Weapon meta shifts once a year, we got a crap CW, new mechs only keep people so interested. There needs to be something deeper to this game. I haven't played in a couple months and just can't muster any excitement to log on. So I just check the forums once a week. I'm curious to see what they do with CW3, that's really the only thing that could possibly get me back in to this game.
I can't even be bothered to do the games for the free stuff in this challenge.
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KahnWongFuChung, on 19 March 2016 - 10:24 AM, said:
Only so many times you can kill the same people over and over for no reason before you get bored.
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DUDE after 4 years of the same players and CW being a bust I might go give Hawken another try least they have some interesting game modes to play.
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DUDE after 4 years of the same players and CW being a bust I might go give Hawken another try least they have some interesting game modes to play.
Sure... that's why there are 3-4 DOTA clones in the top 10 most played MMOs.... and most of those games don't even have different maps and modes...
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80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie, on 18 March 2016 - 05:42 PM, said:
Because the game is bad and is only being supported by fools who are under the false assumption the game will improve.
4 1/2 years later, the game has hardly progressed at all (other than a complete failure of a UI, CW, and more mechs than the game acutally needs).
Its time to put MWO out to pasture and wait for a good mechwarrior game to come into existence down the road.
4 1/2 years later, the game has hardly progressed at all (other than a complete failure of a UI, CW, and more mechs than the game acutally needs).
Its time to put MWO out to pasture and wait for a good mechwarrior game to come into existence down the road.
Wait another decade then. I'll take what I can get now.
KahnWongFuChung, on 18 March 2016 - 07:24 PM, said:
Jables Mcblarty(Can you clarify what you mean by this? )
Jables about 10-13 years ago the MechWarrior PC IP games started to die online at that time we had over 200,000 active + players still playing MechWarrior3-Mechwarrior4 Mercenaries still playing on the MSN gamming zone-in-game servers and a few other servers like gamespy.
All these old guard players were still playing 10 active leagues and 2 planetary leagues like MWL and NBT. When Microshaft pulled the plug on the MSN gaming zone players started to drift away from MechWarrior but most still checked from time to time to see if a new MechWarrior/BattleTech game was on the Horizon me included.
When MWO came out we all rejoiced at the prospect of a new Lobby/Social chat and launcher system so we could once again play Private leagues like we had with MechWarrior2-MechWarrior4.but it never happened so the Majority of the old guard players refused to play MWO as it is now.
We tried to help Russ and Brian long ago before MWO went live but they would not listen to ideas to bring the old player back into the MWO fold and new players just said we were crazy and nothing we had to say would work in MWO.
But now 4 years later PGI and the devs have started to listen to bring back the older MM system like we had in PC MechWarrior and more ideas as in we should have had PVE right from the start. Will the listen who knows but as the older players start to leave and take there money with then there are few new players wanting to invest in a WOT knockoff for the long haul.
So if Russ and PGI would have listened to us 4 years ago the old crowd would be happily playing private leagues in there lobby system for free and buying out the store and the new players would be playing WOT style play or playing in the old boy leagues and paying and playing for the long haul.
https://youtu.be/Gb-xqUY4k8E
https://video.search...d98&action=view
Jables about 10-13 years ago the MechWarrior PC IP games started to die online at that time we had over 200,000 active + players still playing MechWarrior3-Mechwarrior4 Mercenaries still playing on the MSN gamming zone-in-game servers and a few other servers like gamespy.
All these old guard players were still playing 10 active leagues and 2 planetary leagues like MWL and NBT. When Microshaft pulled the plug on the MSN gaming zone players started to drift away from MechWarrior but most still checked from time to time to see if a new MechWarrior/BattleTech game was on the Horizon me included.
When MWO came out we all rejoiced at the prospect of a new Lobby/Social chat and launcher system so we could once again play Private leagues like we had with MechWarrior2-MechWarrior4.but it never happened so the Majority of the old guard players refused to play MWO as it is now.
We tried to help Russ and Brian long ago before MWO went live but they would not listen to ideas to bring the old player back into the MWO fold and new players just said we were crazy and nothing we had to say would work in MWO.
But now 4 years later PGI and the devs have started to listen to bring back the older MM system like we had in PC MechWarrior and more ideas as in we should have had PVE right from the start. Will the listen who knows but as the older players start to leave and take there money with then there are few new players wanting to invest in a WOT knockoff for the long haul.
So if Russ and PGI would have listened to us 4 years ago the old crowd would be happily playing private leagues in there lobby system for free and buying out the store and the new players would be playing WOT style play or playing in the old boy leagues and paying and playing for the long haul.
https://youtu.be/Gb-xqUY4k8E
https://video.search...d98&action=view
I see. Clearly mistakes were made. I played MW3 back in the day but never online--didn't start online gaming till pretty much last year. But the social interface (ie, lack thereof) is abysmal, I will agree.
Alardus, on 22 March 2016 - 12:42 PM, said:
That's wrong. it IS a major cashcow if done properly, due to whole generations of both BT and older MW palyers.
Don't get me wrong--it's profitable, otherwise we wouldn't have MWO. But if it were a fount of never-ending dividends, Microsoft wouldn't have sat on the rights for a decade. If it were a true cashcow, EA would have bought the rights and produced it on a major (albeit hackneyed) scale.
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Posted 22 March 2016 - 01:39 PM
hey, its not like Microsoft or EA didnt epicly screw up big time before, they have, numerous times
and look how Star Citizen exploded in funding from a mere kickstarter crowdfunding, while "the big guys" truly believed its a niche that wont make them the cash
the huge companies are often far enough from reality that they couldnt see it with a telescope, and its not just game companies
and look how Star Citizen exploded in funding from a mere kickstarter crowdfunding, while "the big guys" truly believed its a niche that wont make them the cash
the huge companies are often far enough from reality that they couldnt see it with a telescope, and its not just game companies
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Thunderbird Anthares, on 22 March 2016 - 01:39 PM, said:
hey, its not like Microsoft or EA didnt epicly screw up big time before, they have, numerous times
and look how Star Citizen exploded in funding from a mere kickstarter crowdfunding, while "the big guys" truly believed its a niche that wont make them the cash
the huge companies are often far enough from reality that they couldnt see it with a telescope, and its not just game companies
and look how Star Citizen exploded in funding from a mere kickstarter crowdfunding, while "the big guys" truly believed its a niche that wont make them the cash
the huge companies are often far enough from reality that they couldnt see it with a telescope, and its not just game companies
Star Citizen has actuly been in development since around 2009ish...only reason i know this is cuz i was one of the 1st 100 ppl to sign up on the forums and help test the game.
This ofc was way before it was even a pre alpha game.....now that theres funding suddenly its a game that could finaly rival EVE online.
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Posted 22 March 2016 - 04:41 PM
I am a current player by definition.
I play at least 5 - 10 games a day... just cause, and this is really the only game I play.
With that said. I haven't payed since the Phoenix packs.... and oh how I regret buying it to this day. still.
as a current player (who hasn't payed since then) I am a statistical #... but that's it, not a profitable #, and I know I'm not alone.
So what if MWO has around a 100k player base (which is still horribly low for an online game) I can guaran-damn-tee you not all of them pay, it's the paying player base that really matters; and like what all the other vets are saying, they pushed us away. hard.
Us, as potential Whales (or a better term, safe tenants) of this game have long been evicted for the hopes of a more "fresh" newer crowd that may, or may not, stick around like we did.
DOn't even get me started on Esport of this game, it can't happen... so long as different geometry exsists per chassis, the competitive edge can be calculated down to surface area of a mech. A true competitive game will never have a usless chassis, or wepaons for that matter.... MWO has both, and that will infinitely stop this from ever being a true competitive game
I play at least 5 - 10 games a day... just cause, and this is really the only game I play.
With that said. I haven't payed since the Phoenix packs.... and oh how I regret buying it to this day. still.
as a current player (who hasn't payed since then) I am a statistical #... but that's it, not a profitable #, and I know I'm not alone.
So what if MWO has around a 100k player base (which is still horribly low for an online game) I can guaran-damn-tee you not all of them pay, it's the paying player base that really matters; and like what all the other vets are saying, they pushed us away. hard.
Us, as potential Whales (or a better term, safe tenants) of this game have long been evicted for the hopes of a more "fresh" newer crowd that may, or may not, stick around like we did.
DOn't even get me started on Esport of this game, it can't happen... so long as different geometry exsists per chassis, the competitive edge can be calculated down to surface area of a mech. A true competitive game will never have a usless chassis, or wepaons for that matter.... MWO has both, and that will infinitely stop this from ever being a true competitive game
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Dudeman3k, on 22 March 2016 - 04:41 PM, said:
I am a current player by definition.
I play at least 5 - 10 games a day... just cause, and this is really the only game I play.
With that said. I haven't payed since the Phoenix packs.... and oh how I regret buying it to this day. still.
as a current player (who hasn't payed since then) I am a statistical #... but that's it, not a profitable #, and I know I'm not alone.
So what if MWO has around a 100k player base (which is still horribly low for an online game) I can guaran-damn-tee you not all of them pay, it's the paying player base that really matters; and like what all the other vets are saying, they pushed us away. hard.
Us, as potential Whales (or a better term, safe tenants) of this game have long been evicted for the hopes of a more "fresh" newer crowd that may, or may not, stick around like we did.
DOn't even get me started on Esport of this game, it can't happen... so long as different geometry exsists per chassis, the competitive edge can be calculated down to surface area of a mech. A true competitive game will never have a usless chassis, or wepaons for that matter.... MWO has both, and that will infinitely stop this from ever being a true competitive game
I play at least 5 - 10 games a day... just cause, and this is really the only game I play.
With that said. I haven't payed since the Phoenix packs.... and oh how I regret buying it to this day. still.
as a current player (who hasn't payed since then) I am a statistical #... but that's it, not a profitable #, and I know I'm not alone.
So what if MWO has around a 100k player base (which is still horribly low for an online game) I can guaran-damn-tee you not all of them pay, it's the paying player base that really matters; and like what all the other vets are saying, they pushed us away. hard.
Us, as potential Whales (or a better term, safe tenants) of this game have long been evicted for the hopes of a more "fresh" newer crowd that may, or may not, stick around like we did.
DOn't even get me started on Esport of this game, it can't happen... so long as different geometry exsists per chassis, the competitive edge can be calculated down to surface area of a mech. A true competitive game will never have a usless chassis, or wepaons for that matter.... MWO has both, and that will infinitely stop this from ever being a true competitive game
Still regret the Phoenix packs? The SHD was king of mediums for awhile...TDRs (with quirks) and some of the BLRs had their day as well. Griffins were good I heard, but I didn't play them until after the Clans came out so I missed the boat on those.
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Posted 22 March 2016 - 05:07 PM
Where have all the players gone.......that was the question.
And yet no one has mentioned The Division yet?
And yet no one has mentioned The Division yet?
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Posted 22 March 2016 - 05:44 PM
Fade Akira, on 22 March 2016 - 05:07 PM, said:
Where have all the players gone.......that was the question.
And yet no one has mentioned The Division yet?
And yet no one has mentioned The Division yet?
The Division is getting a 5/10 from honest reviewers like Angry Joe....... Mack from Worth a Buy called it "a more boring Destiny" the most accurate statement yet.
I tried it for free on Steam... not going to disrespect it, just telling it like it is. I think its a 5/10 to. 5/10 isn't a bad game, its just not a good game either.
If some players left for legit reasons and not from being banned or what ever then the best those missing the players could hope for is they went to the Division. They wont be there long.
Edited by Johnny Z, 22 March 2016 - 05:49 PM.
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New Unreal Tournament, Doom, and HeavyGear game all down the pipe. Not sure this game will grow after these sledgehammers.
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Fade Akira, on 22 March 2016 - 05:07 PM, said:
Where have all the players gone.......that was the question.
And yet no one has mentioned The Division yet?
And yet no one has mentioned The Division yet?
Hah...the only person I know from real life that plays this game doesn't play MWO much these days because of The Division.
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Posted 22 March 2016 - 06:30 PM
Johnny Z, on 22 March 2016 - 05:44 PM, said:
The Division is getting a 5/10 from honest reviewers like Angry Joe....... Mack from Worth a Buy called it "a more boring Destiny" the most accurate statement yet.
I tried it for free on Steam... not going to disrespect it, just telling it like it is. I think its a 5/10 to. 5/10 isn't a bad game, its just not a good game either.
If some players left for legit reasons and not from being banned or what ever then the best those missing the players could hope for is they went to the Division. They wont be there long.
I tried it for free on Steam... not going to disrespect it, just telling it like it is. I think its a 5/10 to. 5/10 isn't a bad game, its just not a good game either.
If some players left for legit reasons and not from being banned or what ever then the best those missing the players could hope for is they went to the Division. They wont be there long.
You lost all credibility when you mentioned Angry Joe being an honest reviewer. If when you say honest, you mean he isn't IGN, i can accept that slightly more. However, he is the guy who favours drama over factual reviews. Sometimes he is right, usually he talks absolute crap.
5/10 from Angry Joe, 8/10's from mostly everyone else. So yeah.....and who the **** is Mack from Worth a buy, and why is his opinion Worth a damn to anyone? Lol. If you only played a free trial how would you know it is accurate to say it is more boring than destiny??? The DZ alone has more content than probably all the destiny open areas combined.....
Whatever your opinion mate, the game is clocking around 90k views on reddit topics alone. It has gained massive popularity, and the latest patch has improved a lot of its current issues no end.
I am pretty sure, minus your "free trial", if there is any singular reason people aren't playing other games right now, MWO included, its because they are playing The Division. Its ******* addictive, and fun as hell. Mainly with friends though.
Edited by Fade Akira, 22 March 2016 - 06:35 PM.
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