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[NocturnalBeast]

Arkhangel, on 07 May 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

not the Atlas IIC and the Orion IIC though. both were favored mechs of General Kerensky. they're thus actually considered mechs for FAVORED clanners.

honestly, you can't just generalize here. there's plenty of standard battlemechs honored Clanners would use, and even Omnis that were SPECIFICALLY put to Solahma use. so.... yeah.

I guess it depends on the Clan also, but the Invasion Clans were pretty consistent.

[Nightshade24]

Odanan, on 07 May 2016 - 09:27 AM, said:

Such a beautiful mech! Why did MW4 name it Hellhound, God, why?!?

If PGI adds it (and they should, been so important mech), they could add it as a completely separated chassis of the real, humanoid, Wolverine IIC (Conjurer). Just call it Hellhound (instead of Conjurer) and done.

I am just waiting for Catalyst Games to canonise it and call it something else

Clan name is Hellhound. Done.

[Nightshade24]

Ed Steele, on 07 May 2016 - 10:30 AM, said:

The IIC Mechs were used as second-line garrison Mechs and were usually assigned to older Warriors who had not earned bloodnames, or for dishonored or freeborn warriors (who had not been accepted by the trueborn warriors).

However not the Wolfhound IIC, Which was a Clan upgrade of the Wolfhound "Grinner" from Phelan Kell (now known as Phelan Wolf or Phelan Ward- aka he earned a bloodname) and he is up to the ranks of KaKhan, What else to mention?... , Khan Ulric Kerenksy himself paid for the design and paid no expense what so ever which is impressive. This is why the Wolfhound IIC has XL engine, Ferro, Endo, DHS, Pulse lasers. AMS... etc

This mech is more expensive to make then it is to buy some of the more common omnimech lightrs and even some mediums out there. This is not a mech for a random freeborn warrior or dishonored warriors... In fact it's more of the opposite... it would be an honor to pilot it.

This was not used as a second-line garrison mech. it was a front line (much like a hunchback IIC in the initial clan invasion).

Atlas II (not a IIC, aka this is a pure IS mech that no longer exists in IS space for like 200+ years) was used as a command mech (I believe) during the battle of Tukayiid.

Arkhangel, on 07 May 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

not the Atlas IIC and the Orion IIC though. both were favored mechs of General Kerensky. they're thus actually considered mechs for FAVORED clanners.

honestly, you can't just generalize here. there's plenty of standard battlemechs honored Clanners would use, and even Omnis that were SPECIFICALLY put to Solahma use. so.... yeah.

No such thing as an Atlas IIC because the Clans percieved the Atlas and specifically the Atlas II to pure and is the soul example of what is a battlemech. They basically warshipped it like a god (much like the Orion).
However 1 variant which I think is A. Kerensky's had some clan tech on it.

Rest is pretty spot on. However I should mention a clan pilot would take an orion over the IIC any day.

[M A S E]

xJTx, on 04 May 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

Don't make Gold ones or M A S E will not be able to resist .

Shhhh... Russ doesn't want my money.

[NocturnalBeast]

Nightshade24, on 07 May 2016 - 04:01 PM, said:

However not the Wolfhound IIC, Which was a Clan upgrade of the Wolfhound "Grinner" from Phelan Kell (now known as Phelan Wolf or Phelan Ward- aka he earned a bloodname) and he is up to the ranks of KaKhan, What else to mention?... , Khan Ulric Kerenksy himself paid for the design and paid no expense what so ever which is impressive. This is why the Wolfhound IIC has XL engine, Ferro, Endo, DHS, Pulse lasers. AMS... etc

This mech is more expensive to make then it is to buy some of the more common omnimech lightrs and even some mediums out there. This is not a mech for a random freeborn warrior or dishonored warriors... In fact it's more of the opposite... it would be an honor to pilot it.

This was not used as a second-line garrison mech. it was a front line (much like a hunchback IIC in the initial clan invasion).

Atlas II (not a IIC, aka this is a pure IS mech that no longer exists in IS space for like 200+ years) was used as a command mech (I believe) during the battle of Tukayiid.


No such thing as an Atlas IIC because the Clans percieved the Atlas and specifically the Atlas II to pure and is the soul example of what is a battlemech. They basically warshipped it like a god (much like the Orion).
However 1 variant which I think is A. Kerensky's had some clan tech on it.

Rest is pretty spot on. However I should mention a clan pilot would take an orion over the IIC any day.

I am talking about the current (MWO) timeline (3052'ish).

[Nightshade24]

Ed Steele, on 07 May 2016 - 04:39 PM, said:

I am talking about the current (MWO) timeline (3052'ish).

Um... same?

[KahnWongFuChung]

Nice mech but MWO is such a terrible messed up game until you fix your game my wallet stays closed.

[The Boneshaman]

speaking of ripoffs. has anyone notice how similar space marines look like darth vader and the storm troopers?
or how similar family guy is to Simpson's. point is every thing now a days could be INSPIERD by something.
if that is the case than every thing is a ripoff

Edited by The Boneshaman, 07 May 2016 - 06:24 PM.

[ulrin]

WTF guys !!
Wiz all that, i just realize how similar my second wife is to the first !!!
Should i test different sexuality ?

[Nightshade24]

The Boneshaman, on 07 May 2016 - 06:19 PM, said:

speaking of ripoffs. has anyone notice how similar space marines look like darth vader and the storm troopers?
or how similar family guy is to Simpson's. point is every thing now a days could be INSPIERD by something.
if that is the case than every thing is a ripoff

These days? have you seen humans 500 years ago? 1000 years ago? 1500 years ago? 2000 years ago? oh right... you haven't... can't physically live through all that.

Well inspiration (strongly intertwined with creativity, originality, etc) has been around for thousands of years.
Evidence as far back as 15,000 years ago shows paintings inspiring the next (rather it be a different 'artist' or a different generation). Some cave paintings are actually spread apart by thousands of years as the inspired homosapien continues the art work or story or adds to it.

This also existed durring the bronze age... and the gold age... and the steam age... Ranging from inventions, music, art, dance, etc.
It's virtually impossible to do something without inspiration. These things do not just happen from a void. It's a long intertwined branch. Which partly makes us humans what we are.


Source:
Student of Art History, Classical history, (brief) History, and Traditional Arts.
(Some may be a scholarship... I should really check).


The only reason it is more common now-a-days is because there are more humans now-a-days. There is more artists, more inventors, more scientists, more tinkerers, more dances, plays, movies, stories, poems, understanding, etc.
It isn't completely impossible that you may end up copying something 100% without even knowing it existed... ie...

Spoiler

Any of these 4 look familiar?...


Not that I am taking a swing at you, It's just that your post brought that to my attention and in the middle of 1 am in the morning I decided now's a good time to talk about inspiration, originality, and plagiarism on this thread.
Everything is inspired and half the time the same things that inspired x can inspire y and make x and y end up similar.

[latinisator]

When will the Mechpack be visible in the preorder page?

[Luscious Dan]

Not sure what you mean there latinisator, it all seems to be online for me.

https://mwomercs.com/night-gyr
https://mwomercs.com/store/gifts (under clan packs tab)

I don't see it here yet (https://mwomercs.com/profile/preorders) but it you can still order just fine through the other links.

Edited by Luscious Dan, 09 May 2016 - 01:23 PM.

[Tiantara]

- I'm still waiting for Hollander IIC - 45 tons medium mech build around gauss cannon. Fast and purely sniper mech with some small-medium laser for defense. Yes I know that i can build some build based on shadowcat or hunchback or shadow hawk... But Hollander was nice mech in Mech commander...

[Nightshade24]

Tiantara, on 09 May 2016 - 11:38 PM, said:

- I'm still waiting for Hollander IIC - 45 tons medium mech build around gauss cannon. Fast and purely sniper mech with some small-medium laser for defense. Yes I know that i can build some build based on shadowcat or hunchback or shadow hawk... But Hollander was nice mech in Mech commander...

there's a.... IIC?

[Tiantara]

Nightshade24, on 10 May 2016 - 02:45 AM, said:

there's a.... IIC?

Oopps right... just Hollander II without C, my mistake... with that specifications:

Spoiler

HOLLANDER II
Class: medium
Tonnage: 45
Speed: 24 m/s
Internal Structure: moderate

Armor Variant
Cost: 34240
Armor: moderate
Jump Capacity: none
Payload: 25.5
Standard Weapon Configuration: 1 Laser, 1 Streak SRM Rack, 1 Gauss Rifle, 1
Sensor-Basic

Jump Variant
Cost: 35950
Armor: light
Jump Capacity: short
Payload: 25.5
Standard Weapon Configuration: 1 Laser, 1 Streak SRM Rack, 1 Gauss Rifle, 1
Sensor-Basic

Weapon Variant
Cost: 35380
Armor: light
Jump Capacity: none
Payload: 30
Standard Weapon Configuration: 1 Laser, 1 Gauss Rifle, 1 Large Laser, 1 Sensor-
Basic

The Hollander is designed around the massive Gauss Rifle, and it is its main
weapon. This lightweight 'Mech is a fast-moving, long-range, direct-fire
weapon platform, and can threat even assault 'Mechs. Its armor is very thin,
however, and the short-range weapons are not able to withstand such attacks.
This version weights 10 tons more than the standard Hollander.

Edited by Tiantara, 10 May 2016 - 03:49 AM.

[Nightshade24]

Tiantara, on 10 May 2016 - 03:48 AM, said:

Oopps right... just Hollander II without C, my mistake... with that specifications:

Spoiler

HOLLANDER II
Class: medium
Tonnage: 45
Speed: 24 m/s
Internal Structure: moderate

Armor Variant
Cost: 34240
Armor: moderate
Jump Capacity: none
Payload: 25.5
Standard Weapon Configuration: 1 Laser, 1 Streak SRM Rack, 1 Gauss Rifle, 1
Sensor-Basic

Jump Variant
Cost: 35950
Armor: light
Jump Capacity: short
Payload: 25.5
Standard Weapon Configuration: 1 Laser, 1 Streak SRM Rack, 1 Gauss Rifle, 1
Sensor-Basic

Weapon Variant
Cost: 35380
Armor: light
Jump Capacity: none
Payload: 30
Standard Weapon Configuration: 1 Laser, 1 Gauss Rifle, 1 Large Laser, 1 Sensor-
Basic

The Hollander is designed around the massive Gauss Rifle, and it is its main
weapon. This lightweight 'Mech is a fast-moving, long-range, direct-fire
weapon platform, and can threat even assault 'Mechs. Its armor is very thin,
however, and the short-range weapons are not able to withstand such attacks.
This version weights 10 tons more than the standard Hollander.

Mech.... commander... specs?

odd choice. But it's cool to look at either way and I am familiar with the Hollander II!
For the sake of stats I will repeat your information again but using battletech!
(Note: Hollander, Hollander II, and Hollander III despite different 'marks' and weights, are technically the same mech, just variants much like how the Stalker 4P exists)

Spoiler

HOLLANDER II
Class: medium
Tonnage: 45
Speed: 86.4 hm/h


Variant: BZK-F5
Battle value: (1.0) = 1,084, (2.0) = 1,214
Jump Capacity: N/A
Payload: 17.5 (Excluding Ammo)
Standard Weapon Configuration: ER Medium Laser, Gauss Rifle, Streak SRM 2
(Out of timeline, 3058 [current year is 3052])
Variant: BZK-F7
Battle value: (1.0) = 1,087, (2.0) = 1,192
Jump Capacity: N/A
Payload: 18 (Excluding Ammo)
Standard Weapon Configuration: Heavy Gauss Rifle
(Out of timeline, 3058 [current year is 3052]) (Technology not in MW: O)

The F5 variant, called the Hollander II, is a variant of the Hollander that looks to alleviate the 'Mech's problems by building it on a chassis ten tons heavier than the original, pushing it into the medium weight class. First built in 3058 the 'Mech still carries a Gauss Rifle as its primary weapon, but is backed up by a single Medium Laser and a Streak SRM-2 launcher.

The F7, debuting in 3061 is a modification of the F5 that takes advantage of the Hollander II's larger weapons payload to mount the Lyran Alliance's new Heavy Gauss Rifle, which is capable of causing a great deal of damage at short to medium ranges. While improving upon the firepower of the variant, the removal of backup weaponry to fit these massive weapon leaves it with the same problems as the original Hollander.

and the original...

Spoiler

HOLLANDER
Class: Light
Tonnage: 35
Speed: 86.4 hm/h


Variant: BZK-F3
Battle value: (1.0) = 861, (2.0) = 953
Jump Capacity: N/A
Payload: 15 (Excluding Ammo)
Standard Weapon Configuration: Gauss Rifle
(Out of timeline, 3054 [current year is 3052])
Variant: BZK-G1
Battle value: (1.0) = 768, (2.0) = 873
Jump Capacity: N/A
Payload: 13 (Excluding Ammo)
Standard Weapon Configuration: LB-X 10, (2) Medium Lasers
Armour: +2 tonnes
(Out of timeline, 3056 [current year is 3052])

The Hollander was introduced in 3054 specifically to carry a Gauss Rifle into combat and act as a sniper. The Federated Commonwealth was in dire need of a response to the fast-moving, long-range firepower of the Clan Invaders at the time, and looked at a number of light 'Mech designs featuring PPCs or LRMs as a potential answer. It was Coventry's unorthodox decision to mount such a large weapon, one that had neither the overheating or ammunition explosion drawbacks of the other designs, which won them the contract. With its single massive cannon and use of rediscovered technology, the Hollander can destroy another light 'Mech in a single hit at extreme range and threaten heavier targets easily...

(more information, check: http://www.sarna.net...lander#Variants )
The G1 variant of the Hollander is built to address concerns about the Hollander's lack of back up weapons. First debuting in 3056 the 'Mech replaces the heavy Gauss Cannon with an LB-X Autocannon/10 as its primary weapon, freeing up weight to mount two Defiance B3M Medium Lasers in its arms as backup weapons and add two tons of Ferro-Fibrous armor. The G1 is an excellent 'Mech for vehicle hunting as well as anti-aircraft use with its LB-X cluster rounds.

These are the 4 (total) variants of the Hollander and Hollander iI we may see in the next 4-5 years from now.
Sources for statistics and discription is Sarna and Battletech Master Unit List.

[Tiantara]

- Yes. But in MWO only 4 45 tons mech. So about why I choose Mech Commander specs. I just love MechCommander (and gold version of it and even MC2 - which was less good and more bugged but in 3D).
Anyway - Hollander is good mech to be placed in game and making it like War-hammers or Marauders pack with some Hero mech with uncanny texture (Something with camo or old damages on mech) - nice move. Also I just can see some quirks for less damage from gauss explosions and something for extending ballistic range. It would make mech more unique for some support roles.

[Dee Eight]

Some people will just refuse to even consider all prior-art history to sci-fi / anime if they think it infringes on a beloved source such as warhamster 40k or star craft. Nevermind the fact that the whole concept of humans operated oversized powered exoskeletons covered in armor and weapons and delivered to the surface of another planet by starships and dropships goes back 57 years to Robert A. Heinlein's Starship Troopers.

If you look at the art of another similar time frame fictional universe, that of the Macross saga (which debuted in 1982 vs Battletech in 1983), we've had four television series, two films, six video games, and five OVAs. Along with numerous toys, merchandise, and two spin-off role-playing games (Paladium's Robotech RPG based on the Robotech TV series and Paladium's Macross II RPG based on the one of the OVAs and derived from their other RPGs such as Robotech and RifTs). Along the way, the artwork has evolved from the original SDF Macross era to the latest Macross Delta TV series which debuted on Japanese TV only a month ago.

http://www.macross2....m3/m3-index.htm

Take for example, the original Tomahawk (aka Excaliber in Robotech, Warhammer in Battletech)

http://www.macross2....id-tomahawk.gif

Compared to the Cheyenne which was described as another similar model that came before it, in the OVA Macross Zero from 2004 (set a year before SDF Macross / Space War 1).

http://www.macross2....ne/cheyenne.jpg

And the updated Cheyenne II from Macross Frontier from 2007-2009.

http://www.macross2....-cheyenneii.jpg

They are all btw creations of https://en.wikipedia...5%8Dji_Kawamori who is the visual artist / mecha art director behind the whole damn Macross universe and also many of the Diaclone toy line which became part of the generation 1 Transformers universe.

Edited by Dee Eight, 10 May 2016 - 07:03 AM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Tiantara, on 09 May 2016 - 11:38 PM, said:

- I'm still waiting for Hollander IIC - 45 tons medium mech build around gauss cannon. Fast and purely sniper mech with some small-medium laser for defense. Yes I know that i can build some build based on shadowcat or hunchback or shadow hawk... But Hollander was nice mech in Mech commander...

If we can get the original Hollander first, sure!

[Dee Eight]

other than the long barrel shoulder appearance you can build the equivalent to a hollander now using a panther chassis.