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[The Boneshaman]

I don't know why but I feel you should be able to hit / and extend and retract the claws.

[Rekkon]

The Boneshaman, on 13 May 2016 - 04:33 PM, said:

I don't know why but I feel you should be able to hit / and extend and retract the claws.

Wish granted.

[Wintersdark]

freud2b, on 13 May 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:

This is really unfair and unbalanced! why no Quirk to -1 and 5 ??? at least keep the "Turn rate" .
You really do anything!
we will not have time to turn against a Jenner II c !!! KDK-1 -5 FREEKILL !!!
Completely stupid

I hesitated between the collector and the Standard pack!
I bought the Collector's Pack for variant (S) and for $ 20 more, I got a rotten variant and very handicapped by the turn rate.thank you pgi
Next time I will buy the Standard or even rather ..... nothing.
I am really tired of being disappointed more with this game.

Are you 12?

Seriously, the Kodiak's where ALL most likely to launch without quirks - see the IIC mechs, and prior clan mechs. That any got mechs means they got buffed, nothing nerfed.

You'll survive.

[Nightshade24]

meteorol, on 13 May 2016 - 06:55 AM, said:

You are totally out of touch with this game.

Not in particularly (not that you even stated any form of factual/ statistical/ evidence behind that blanket statement)

Want an Atlas-look-alike build on the Kodiak then it will use Atlas weapons. Noting will change what an atlas is (well if Catalyst wants to randomly retcon the atlas and make all of them jumpjetting dual gauss MASC users then I guess I am corrected here but I really do doubt Catalyst Games will do anything like that to any mech, especially the Atlas of all things.)

As soon as you start to change the weapons out in MW: O on the atlas then it isn't quite an atlas at that point. It starts to get blured with all the other mechs which is easy to identify in MW: O with the ML system.
ie. Ebon jaguar and Timberwolf is drastically different in lore, canon, tt, stock, etc... in MW: O both use 4 er med lasers and 2 large pulse lasers and both behave the same, are dispatched the same, and is used the same. An example of blurring lines.

If you disagree with that statement then It would only be logical that you think all the stock Kodiaks are already atlas build+'s because of the vague use and locations of weapons to what is similar on another atlas.

Pariah Devalis, on 13 May 2016 - 08:02 AM, said:

No error there, Nightshade. I quoted Wintersdark several times. Brawling is huge in Comp. Especially in the smaller group sized matches. Also, you are literally worse off with those LRMs on the Atlas (due to weapon weight and a wasted hardpoint) than without unless PGI decides to improve LRM direct fire mode into a far faster, far more accurate, player directed weapon system. LRMs are too easily mitigated by, say, rocks, to ever deter direct firepower mechs. ESPECIALLY if it is only a single launcher. They will shoot, you will launch missiles, they will laugh, take two steps behind a rock, the rock eats the missiles, and then they pop out again and blast you. Repeat as many times as it takes.

What do you think will win in a dual, the meta timberwolf with 4 er medium lasers and 2 large pulse lasers or the 'meta atlas' with nothing but SRM's and an AC 20? Well, that's a max effective range of 270 meters... with only a single AC 20 past 270m..
Up against a timberwolf that has nearly the same alpha potential, pin point, and is effective at 400 meters and still kicks heavy damage at 600 meters... and the fact a timberwolf is faster then the atlas and can easily maintain distance.

The atlas will already take 1-3 alpha strikes from the timber. which is 54 damage each strike. 3 is enough to core the atlases CT and damage the core. This damage is received to the atlas the whole time it's trying to close the gap while the timberwolf is back peddling the hell away from it.
The atlases firepower consists of (based on metamechs, what I see in matches, etc_ consists of 4 SRM 6's, an AC 20...
Which is only 20 damage pinpoint, followed by the inaccurate (even with artemis) is a 48 damage strike with It being 24 missiles going to 24 different directions and dealing 2 damage per missile. At literal point blank where you can't really hit anything else but 1 segment that is a 68 damage alpha. Which is only 14 damage more then the timberwolfs build. That SRM damage however is innacurate and in most cases then not it is highly likely the Atlas will deal the same damage as the timberwolf will deal back to specific segments.
With all that people hammered meta into the forums with.

Pinpoint > Spread
Long range > Short range
Fast > Slow
Agile > Armour

but hey, what do I know. No matter how much more I know about the meta. It appears there's thousands of acceptations for arbitrary reasons. Such as the Shadowcat isn't competitive apparently and the fact the atlas is apparently in the comp scene.
I swear, Next month I will be arguing that a Gauss rifle urbanmech is not a competitive mech.


Your quotes of winter doesn't have much to it. Because to me the Meta comp scene is a circlejerk of self contradictory and arbitrary flavours of the month based on a website based on 1 persons opinions and random forum trends.

If you are telling me that the comp scene is determined by the key meta players sitting around a table throwing darts at the board on what is and isn't a meta mech then role a dice if the game is in the 'brawling meta', 'sniper meta', and 'ppc meta', (with the dice weighted to mostly land on sniper meta) then I guess I will stand corrected that it doesn't go as I thought it does.
I mean the word meta in MW: O isn't even used correctly so that doesn't even boude well with what is the MW: O meta when it isn't even used correctly to begin with.

LOOK on all the comp matches that were in the tournaments... how often did you see brawlers? nearly 0, how often you saw an atlas? I think this is a literal zero. How often you see snipers? Literally nearly everyone who isn't an arctic cheetah or firestarter and even then you see some sniper arctic cheetahs.

I'll bet you 10 C-bills that we will not see the atlas much in the upcoming 2016 competitive tournaments and as well as a lack of brawlers unless you count like mechs as brawlers or that occasional thunderbolt/ black knight with medium pulse lasers

Twilight Fenrir, on 13 May 2016 - 08:46 AM, said:

I usually won't grief about quirks.... But seriously, what the hell?!? The Cbill boost variant gets nothing?!?

I mean, I guess I wouldn't complain if they had all gotten nothing.... So maybe that's unfair of me.... But the Cbill variants are always gonna get the most use, no matter what loadout it has vs the other ones. It should at least get the mobility buffs, imo.

Quirks will change when PGI gets additional data on the mechs in game. The ones that are underpowered will get quirks and those that are over powered ill get reductions. It's been like this for I think a year now. The reason the Kodiak 1 and 5 have no quirks as they have the highest hardpoints and technically can be considered better.

Sigilum Sanctum, on 13 May 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

I logged in to tell you how completely out of touch you are. Maulers are the most consistent Assaults in comp drops. Right behind them though are Atlases and Banshees, depending on the strat.

I'm an applicant for a comp team and we've scrimmed with some of the best comp teams, both sides using the Atlas on multiple occasions.

Just because you're ****** lore loadouts us LRMs doesn't define what the Atlas is in MWO. Those two identities stand apart.

You should really do some consistent research before you blow your mouth off with a really ignorant statement.

Well looks like someone broke a blood vessel or two in rage.

Did I mention anything about the Maulers being poor? no? Exactly.
Atlas in 2nd place? Excuse me but I do believe if anything that would be the Direwolf (unless that is the literal top) and even then I highly suspect the king crab to be higher up on the totem pole then the atlas since it can do nearly the same amount of damage but more pinpoint, can do dual gauss sniper builds or 4 Ac/ UAC 5 builds and so on.

Which metamechs and tournament footage supports.
On top of that: meta mechs claims the stalker, battlemaster, banshee, etc better... so that makes the atlas what?...
6th best assault mech in game?... well that's only the Atlas S, the other atlas are lower down the comp list to the point they are rivaling the Zeus, Highlander, Victors... not an assault mech but I would like to mention the Orion, Catapult, Gargoyle, Trebuchet, and Kintaro is here as well with the atlas...

That does not make the Atlas good in ANY light. Besides the comp tier list specifically for sub 270 meters which the Atlas is solidly sitting there as the only assault there (which is odd as the kingcrab can nearly do the same build as an atlas with a whole extra AC 20 but I guess they are mainly looking at the speed)
But what is also there with the atlas is also the Catapult A1, Nova, Gargoyle...

Funny how you claim to call me ignorant for 'blow your mouth off' when you literally did the same thing, But with this time no sources behind those words. At least I posted the atlas variants as well as cited my sources to metamechs, NGNG recordings of tournaments, Battle of Tukayiid statistics released from PGI, etc.

I never stated the lore load outs were superior, I said it was the ATLAS.


Let's do a quick test! Google image search a timberwolf mech. What do you see? hundreds and hundreds of pages of timberwolfs with LRM ears...

Alright, Now google it with mwomercs or MechWarrior online in the title, Well this time we got a few without ears or primarily focuses on the lasers, but still the vast majority is LRM focused.

Because the LRM's is what made the timberwolf a timberwolf.
Another example is this: if someone told you to make a Behemoth / Stone RHino build on a Direwolf in smurfy, what would you most likely see? the behemoths twin Gauss rifles, twin Large pulse lasers, and a medium laser? maybe a slightly modified version and give it a central large laser instead?...

Or will you respond back with 4 UAC 5's with twin large pulse lasers and 3 er mediums?...

What would a behemoth be to you?


Obviously the stock mechs isn't the best choice in common or comp play. However that was not the question.

Frythepietothemoon, on 13 May 2016 - 09:42 AM, said:

Why no quirks on my KDK-5, I spent extra money on an energy variant with NO QUIRKS.

Because it isn't in game yet, no data on how good or bad it is. No data to adjust it's quirks to fit it nicely.

KillerCat, on 13 May 2016 - 02:53 PM, said:

Everyone is like "OMG WHY DIDN'T THEY BUFFED THE KDK 1-5!!!11" while I'm sitting here, still trying to figure out why they have quirks to begin with, but the Highlander IIC has none AND bugger all in the hardpoints department. I mean, it has LESS hardpoints than the Hunchback IIC-A for crying out loud...

(yes yes they will revise the IICs, but still)

All the HIhglander iIC's have nearly the same amount of hardpoints and are balanced compared to each other.
The Kodiak has variants with 13 hardpoints while others get 7 and 8 hardpoints.

[Sigilum Sanctum]

Nightshade24, on 13 May 2016 - 07:24 PM, said:

Well looks like someone broke a blood vessel or two in rage.

Did I mention anything about the Maulers being poor? no? Exactly.

I never claimed you did either? I put the Mauler out there as a an example of a premier competitive Assault :|

Atlas in 2nd place? Excuse me but I do believe if anything that would be the Direwolf (unless that is the literal top) and even then I highly suspect the king crab to be higher up on the totem pole then the atlas since it can do nearly the same amount of damage but more pinpoint, can do dual gauss sniper builds or 4 Ac/ UAC 5 builds and so on.

That's quite wrong in every stretch. The DWF cannot tank whatsoever. Combined with its poor ability only lends it to certain situations. I've only ever seen it used as a supplement, not as a primary Assault. I won't comment on KGC because I've never seen or heard them suggested in the scrims I've watched and played.

Which metamechs and tournament footage supports.
On top of that: meta mechs claims the stalker, battlemaster, banshee, etc better... so that makes the atlas what?...
6th best assault mech in game?... well that's only the Atlas S, the other atlas are lower down the comp list to the point they are rivaling the Zeus, Highlander, Victors... not an assault mech but I would like to mention the Orion, Catapult, Gargoyle, Trebuchet, and Kintaro is here as well with the atlas...

Just because it looks like its 6th on the list doesn't mean it isn't actively used in competitive play. Do you even watch any of the comp tournaments?

That does not make the Atlas good in ANY light.

The Atlas is the Brawling King, this makes it quite valuable for brawl drops. So yes, it can be quite good.

Besides the comp tier list specifically for sub 270 meters which the Atlas is solidly sitting there as the only assault there (which is odd as the kingcrab can nearly do the same build as an atlas with a whole extra AC 20 but I guess they are mainly looking at the speed)
But what is also there with the atlas is also the Catapult A1, Nova, Gargoyle...

The KGC doesn't get amazing structure quirks, it has worse hitboxes with lower hardpoints.

Funny how you claim to call me ignorant for 'blow your mouth off' when you literally did the same thing, But with this time no sources behind those words. At least I posted the atlas variants as well as cited my sources to metamechs, NGNG recordings of tournaments, Battle of Tukayiid statistics released from PGI, etc.

Metamechs is a guide, it is not what is always displayed in competetive matches or scrim games.

I never stated the lore load outs were superior, I said it was the ATLAS.

Its the Atlas in Lore. The identity of the Atlas in this game, at this moment, for the most part, is a supreme Brawling mech.

Let's do a quick test! Google image search a timberwolf mech. What do you see? hundreds and hundreds of pages of timberwolfs with LRM ears...

Alright, Now google it with mwomercs or MechWarrior online in the title, Well this time we got a few without ears or primarily focuses on the lasers, but still the vast majority is LRM focused.

Because the LRM's is what made the timberwolf a timberwolf.
Another example is this: if someone told you to make a Behemoth / Stone RHino build on a Direwolf in smurfy, what would you most likely see? the behemoths twin Gauss rifles, twin Large pulse lasers, and a medium laser? maybe a slightly modified version and give it a central large laser instead?...

Or will you respond back with 4 UAC 5's with twin large pulse lasers and 3 er mediums?...

What would a behemoth be to you?

See my above answer to the rhetoric you're using.

Obviously the stock mechs isn't the best choice in common or comp play. However that was not the question.

I'm actually quite calm, you're the one writing an essay trying to defend yourself.

Edited by Sigilum Sanctum, 13 May 2016 - 07:39 PM.

[Wintersdark]

I'll just address one aspect of Nightshades post above.

The Laser Vomit timberwolf vs. AS7-S brawler.

I think the disconnect here is Nightshade's thinking of this in the context of a 1v1 in a pubqueue match. It's not like that.

An Atlas in a full brawling team is totally different. Sure, the peek and poke laser vomit side gets a couple licks in, but the brawlers - the whole team - rushes. Said Atlas can easily eat a few heavy vomit alphas, spreading a decent portion to arms (where it doesn't matter in the slightest). Up close, then, the peek and poke laser vomit team is heatcapped and looking at tiny sustained DPS output while the brawlers drop the MFing hammer.
.

How things work out in organised play is nothing like how they play out in pubqueue matches, nothing at all.

[Antares102]

Wintersdark, on 13 May 2016 - 09:43 PM, said:

An Atlas in a full brawling team is totally different. Sure, the peek and poke laser vomit side gets a couple licks in, but the brawlers - the whole team - rushes. Said Atlas can easily eat a few heavy vomit alphas, spreading a decent portion to arms (where it doesn't matter in the slightest). Up close, then, the peek and poke laser vomit team is heatcapped and looking at tiny sustained DPS output while the brawlers drop the MFing hammer.

QFT

Plus laser vomit mechs are most likely hot when the brawlers are closing in on them.
My old unit and me killed enough organized teams with 12x brawl Timber.
Of course we lost 2 Timbers on the way to the other team but we still were able to ****
them when it came to the brawl because:
1.They were hot and we were cold
2.They didnt have the sustained fire power compared to 4xSRM6+ART / 5x SPL

Edited by Antares102, 13 May 2016 - 11:30 PM.

[Bows3r]

Nightshade24, on 13 May 2016 - 07:24 PM, said:

Not in particularly (not that you even stated any form of factual/ statistical/ evidence behind that blanket statement)

Want an Atlas-look-alike build on the Kodiak then it will use Atlas weapons. Noting will change what an atlas is (well if Catalyst wants to randomly retcon the atlas and make all of them jumpjetting dual gauss MASC users then I guess I am corrected here but I really do doubt Catalyst Games will do anything like that to any mech, especially the Atlas of all things.)

As soon as you start to change the weapons out in MW: O on the atlas then it isn't quite an atlas at that point. It starts to get blured with all the other mechs which is easy to identify in MW: O with the ML system.
ie. Ebon jaguar and Timberwolf is drastically different in lore, canon, tt, stock, etc... in MW: O both use 4 er med lasers and 2 large pulse lasers and both behave the same, are dispatched the same, and is used the same. An example of blurring lines.

If you disagree with that statement then It would only be logical that you think all the stock Kodiaks are already atlas build+'s because of the vague use and locations of weapons to what is similar on another atlas.

What do you think will win in a dual, the meta timberwolf with 4 er medium lasers and 2 large pulse lasers or the 'meta atlas' with nothing but SRM's and an AC 20? Well, that's a max effective range of 270 meters... with only a single AC 20 past 270m..
Up against a timberwolf that has nearly the same alpha potential, pin point, and is effective at 400 meters and still kicks heavy damage at 600 meters... and the fact a timberwolf is faster then the atlas and can easily maintain distance.

The atlas will already take 1-3 alpha strikes from the timber. which is 54 damage each strike. 3 is enough to core the atlases CT and damage the core. This damage is received to the atlas the whole time it's trying to close the gap while the timberwolf is back peddling the hell away from it.
The atlases firepower consists of (based on metamechs, what I see in matches, etc_ consists of 4 SRM 6's, an AC 20...
Which is only 20 damage pinpoint, followed by the inaccurate (even with artemis) is a 48 damage strike with It being 24 missiles going to 24 different directions and dealing 2 damage per missile. At literal point blank where you can't really hit anything else but 1 segment that is a 68 damage alpha. Which is only 14 damage more then the timberwolfs build. That SRM damage however is innacurate and in most cases then not it is highly likely the Atlas will deal the same damage as the timberwolf will deal back to specific segments.
With all that people hammered meta into the forums with.

Pinpoint > Spread
Long range > Short range
Fast > Slow
Agile > Armour

but hey, what do I know. No matter how much more I know about the meta. It appears there's thousands of acceptations for arbitrary reasons. Such as the Shadowcat isn't competitive apparently and the fact the atlas is apparently in the comp scene.
I swear, Next month I will be arguing that a Gauss rifle urbanmech is not a competitive mech.


Your quotes of winter doesn't have much to it. Because to me the Meta comp scene is a circlejerk of self contradictory and arbitrary flavours of the month based on a website based on 1 persons opinions and random forum trends.

If you are telling me that the comp scene is determined by the key meta players sitting around a table throwing darts at the board on what is and isn't a meta mech then role a dice if the game is in the 'brawling meta', 'sniper meta', and 'ppc meta', (with the dice weighted to mostly land on sniper meta) then I guess I will stand corrected that it doesn't go as I thought it does.
I mean the word meta in MW: O isn't even used correctly so that doesn't even boude well with what is the MW: O meta when it isn't even used correctly to begin with.

LOOK on all the comp matches that were in the tournaments... how often did you see brawlers? nearly 0, how often you saw an atlas? I think this is a literal zero. How often you see snipers? Literally nearly everyone who isn't an arctic cheetah or firestarter and even then you see some sniper arctic cheetahs.

I'll bet you 10 C-bills that we will not see the atlas much in the upcoming 2016 competitive tournaments and as well as a lack of brawlers unless you count like mechs as brawlers or that occasional thunderbolt/ black knight with medium pulse lasers



Quirks will change when PGI gets additional data on the mechs in game. The ones that are underpowered will get quirks and those that are over powered ill get reductions. It's been like this for I think a year now. The reason the Kodiak 1 and 5 have no quirks as they have the highest hardpoints and technically can be considered better.


Well looks like someone broke a blood vessel or two in rage.

Did I mention anything about the Maulers being poor? no? Exactly.
Atlas in 2nd place? Excuse me but I do believe if anything that would be the Direwolf (unless that is the literal top) and even then I highly suspect the king crab to be higher up on the totem pole then the atlas since it can do nearly the same amount of damage but more pinpoint, can do dual gauss sniper builds or 4 Ac/ UAC 5 builds and so on.

Which metamechs and tournament footage supports.
On top of that: meta mechs claims the stalker, battlemaster, banshee, etc better... so that makes the atlas what?...
6th best assault mech in game?... well that's only the Atlas S, the other atlas are lower down the comp list to the point they are rivaling the Zeus, Highlander, Victors... not an assault mech but I would like to mention the Orion, Catapult, Gargoyle, Trebuchet, and Kintaro is here as well with the atlas...

That does not make the Atlas good in ANY light. Besides the comp tier list specifically for sub 270 meters which the Atlas is solidly sitting there as the only assault there (which is odd as the kingcrab can nearly do the same build as an atlas with a whole extra AC 20 but I guess they are mainly looking at the speed)
But what is also there with the atlas is also the Catapult A1, Nova, Gargoyle...

Funny how you claim to call me ignorant for 'blow your mouth off' when you literally did the same thing, But with this time no sources behind those words. At least I posted the atlas variants as well as cited my sources to metamechs, NGNG recordings of tournaments, Battle of Tukayiid statistics released from PGI, etc.

I never stated the lore load outs were superior, I said it was the ATLAS.


Let's do a quick test! Google image search a timberwolf mech. What do you see? hundreds and hundreds of pages of timberwolfs with LRM ears...

Alright, Now google it with mwomercs or MechWarrior online in the title, Well this time we got a few without ears or primarily focuses on the lasers, but still the vast majority is LRM focused.

Because the LRM's is what made the timberwolf a timberwolf.
Another example is this: if someone told you to make a Behemoth / Stone RHino build on a Direwolf in smurfy, what would you most likely see? the behemoths twin Gauss rifles, twin Large pulse lasers, and a medium laser? maybe a slightly modified version and give it a central large laser instead?...

Or will you respond back with 4 UAC 5's with twin large pulse lasers and 3 er mediums?...

What would a behemoth be to you?


Obviously the stock mechs isn't the best choice in common or comp play. However that was not the question.




Because it isn't in game yet, no data on how good or bad it is. No data to adjust it's quirks to fit it nicely.

All the HIhglander iIC's have nearly the same amount of hardpoints and are balanced compared to each other.
The Kodiak has variants with 13 hardpoints while others get 7 and 8 hardpoints.

https://mrbcleague.com/

If you doubt what I'm saying about the "meta" and if you doubt that a reletively significant comp scene does exist (ignoring the 100k+ PGI hosted tournament), then do me a favor. Go to the site linked above, and look around, if you want. I would highly recommend looking at the drop video's for each Division A team in each region, as those are the best teams in the game for their respective region, and looking at the 'mechs in each drop.

[MonkeyCheese]

Nightshade24, on 13 May 2016 - 07:24 PM, said:

Not in particularly (not that you even stated any form of factual/ statistical/ evidence behind that blanket statement)

Want an Atlas-look-alike build on the Kodiak then it will use Atlas weapons. Noting will change what an atlas is (well if Catalyst wants to randomly retcon the atlas and make all of them jumpjetting dual gauss MASC users then I guess I am corrected here but I really do doubt Catalyst Games will do anything like that to any mech, especially the Atlas of all things.)

As soon as you start to change the weapons out in MW: O on the atlas then it isn't quite an atlas at that point. It starts to get blured with all the other mechs which is easy to identify in MW: O with the ML system.
ie. Ebon jaguar and Timberwolf is drastically different in lore, canon, tt, stock, etc... in MW: O both use 4 er med lasers and 2 large pulse lasers and both behave the same, are dispatched the same, and is used the same. An example of blurring lines.

If you disagree with that statement then It would only be logical that you think all the stock Kodiaks are already atlas build+'s because of the vague use and locations of weapons to what is similar on another atlas.

What do you think will win in a dual, the meta timberwolf with 4 er medium lasers and 2 large pulse lasers or the 'meta atlas' with nothing but SRM's and an AC 20? Well, that's a max effective range of 270 meters... with only a single AC 20 past 270m..
Up against a timberwolf that has nearly the same alpha potential, pin point, and is effective at 400 meters and still kicks heavy damage at 600 meters... and the fact a timberwolf is faster then the atlas and can easily maintain distance.

The atlas will already take 1-3 alpha strikes from the timber. which is 54 damage each strike. 3 is enough to core the atlases CT and damage the core. This damage is received to the atlas the whole time it's trying to close the gap while the timberwolf is back peddling the hell away from it.
The atlases firepower consists of (based on metamechs, what I see in matches, etc_ consists of 4 SRM 6's, an AC 20...
Which is only 20 damage pinpoint, followed by the inaccurate (even with artemis) is a 48 damage strike with It being 24 missiles going to 24 different directions and dealing 2 damage per missile. At literal point blank where you can't really hit anything else but 1 segment that is a 68 damage alpha. Which is only 14 damage more then the timberwolfs build. That SRM damage however is innacurate and in most cases then not it is highly likely the Atlas will deal the same damage as the timberwolf will deal back to specific segments.
With all that people hammered meta into the forums with.

Pinpoint > Spread
Long range > Short range
Fast > Slow
Agile > Armour

but hey, what do I know. No matter how much more I know about the meta. It appears there's thousands of acceptations for arbitrary reasons. Such as the Shadowcat isn't competitive apparently and the fact the atlas is apparently in the comp scene.
I swear, Next month I will be arguing that a Gauss rifle urbanmech is not a competitive mech.


Your quotes of winter doesn't have much to it. Because to me the Meta comp scene is a circlejerk of self contradictory and arbitrary flavours of the month based on a website based on 1 persons opinions and random forum trends.

If you are telling me that the comp scene is determined by the key meta players sitting around a table throwing darts at the board on what is and isn't a meta mech then role a dice if the game is in the 'brawling meta', 'sniper meta', and 'ppc meta', (with the dice weighted to mostly land on sniper meta) then I guess I will stand corrected that it doesn't go as I thought it does.
I mean the word meta in MW: O isn't even used correctly so that doesn't even boude well with what is the MW: O meta when it isn't even used correctly to begin with.

LOOK on all the comp matches that were in the tournaments... how often did you see brawlers? nearly 0, how often you saw an atlas? I think this is a literal zero. How often you see snipers? Literally nearly everyone who isn't an arctic cheetah or firestarter and even then you see some sniper arctic cheetahs.

I'll bet you 10 C-bills that we will not see the atlas much in the upcoming 2016 competitive tournaments and as well as a lack of brawlers unless you count like mechs as brawlers or that occasional thunderbolt/ black knight with medium pulse lasers



Quirks will change when PGI gets additional data on the mechs in game. The ones that are underpowered will get quirks and those that are over powered ill get reductions. It's been like this for I think a year now. The reason the Kodiak 1 and 5 have no quirks as they have the highest hardpoints and technically can be considered better.


Well looks like someone broke a blood vessel or two in rage.

Did I mention anything about the Maulers being poor? no? Exactly.
Atlas in 2nd place? Excuse me but I do believe if anything that would be the Direwolf (unless that is the literal top) and even then I highly suspect the king crab to be higher up on the totem pole then the atlas since it can do nearly the same amount of damage but more pinpoint, can do dual gauss sniper builds or 4 Ac/ UAC 5 builds and so on.

Which metamechs and tournament footage supports.
On top of that: meta mechs claims the stalker, battlemaster, banshee, etc better... so that makes the atlas what?...
6th best assault mech in game?... well that's only the Atlas S, the other atlas are lower down the comp list to the point they are rivaling the Zeus, Highlander, Victors... not an assault mech but I would like to mention the Orion, Catapult, Gargoyle, Trebuchet, and Kintaro is here as well with the atlas...

That does not make the Atlas good in ANY light. Besides the comp tier list specifically for sub 270 meters which the Atlas is solidly sitting there as the only assault there (which is odd as the kingcrab can nearly do the same build as an atlas with a whole extra AC 20 but I guess they are mainly looking at the speed)
But what is also there with the atlas is also the Catapult A1, Nova, Gargoyle...

Funny how you claim to call me ignorant for 'blow your mouth off' when you literally did the same thing, But with this time no sources behind those words. At least I posted the atlas variants as well as cited my sources to metamechs, NGNG recordings of tournaments, Battle of Tukayiid statistics released from PGI, etc.

I never stated the lore load outs were superior, I said it was the ATLAS.


Let's do a quick test! Google image search a timberwolf mech. What do you see? hundreds and hundreds of pages of timberwolfs with LRM ears...

Alright, Now google it with mwomercs or MechWarrior online in the title, Well this time we got a few without ears or primarily focuses on the lasers, but still the vast majority is LRM focused.

Because the LRM's is what made the timberwolf a timberwolf.
Another example is this: if someone told you to make a Behemoth / Stone RHino build on a Direwolf in smurfy, what would you most likely see? the behemoths twin Gauss rifles, twin Large pulse lasers, and a medium laser? maybe a slightly modified version and give it a central large laser instead?...

Or will you respond back with 4 UAC 5's with twin large pulse lasers and 3 er mediums?...

What would a behemoth be to you?


Obviously the stock mechs isn't the best choice in common or comp play. However that was not the question.




Because it isn't in game yet, no data on how good or bad it is. No data to adjust it's quirks to fit it nicely.

All the HIhglander iIC's have nearly the same amount of hardpoints and are balanced compared to each other.
The Kodiak has variants with 13 hardpoints while others get 7 and 8 hardpoints.

seriously does anyone care, meta players are gonna meta, pugs are gonna pug.

Get back to the Kodiak hype train posts about the kodiak in the "kodiak hype train" thread.

Go argue elsewhere....

[Toxicresidue]

man I have a "bait and switch" feeling going on. the money maker (30% cbill boost variant) doesn't have the same quirks as the others. if you buy the Spirt Bear that has some quirks, but if you were duped into buying the collectors pack so you could get all the pretty {LT-MOB-25} pit items, the prime/moneymaker variant, and 30 extra days premium time you 're gonna get that
"hey buddy get your hand out of my pocket there aint no hotdog sale here !!" feeling. WTF pgi guys?

[ulrin]

hi all
Do you think we will finally have that so needed glowing in the dark mantis green color wiz the kodiak ?

[Jep Jorgensson]

Wintersdark, on 11 May 2016 - 07:10 AM, said:

yes, of course that's why. Not because the Clan Battlemechs have ClanXL engines, smaller and lighter weapons, etc. No, it's because PGI is biased against Clans. If my eyes could roll any harder, they'd be on the floor.

I do think the HGN IIC and ON1 IIC need a bit of twist and structure respectively, but there was a very real danger of Clan Battlemechs being grossly OP out of the gate, so not quirking them initially was the responsible choice.

If they buff them, everyone is happy. When they release mechs OP then nerf them, people freak the **** out.

And yet ton for ton IS mechs are the better ones right now, especially with their energy weapons. Leastwise, when I see Wolfhounds with 5 med lasers alpha striking time after time when my Arctic Cheetah cannot do that with 6 small pulse lasers, it tells me something.

By the way, if PGI is not biased, then why are there no Clan mech packs in the game store? Why are there so many IS mechs yet so few Clan mechs in the game? Why is a Grasshopper laser boat superior to a Timberwolf laser boat (2 more lasers and more jump jets than the TBR) despite being the same tonnage? My and other units have been blitzed by 12 Grasshopper rushes before but I have never heard of anyone being blitzed by a 12 TBR rush; have you? Ever see the 12 Atlas rush on youtube? We have. Ever see a 12 Dire Wolf rush? Nobody has. All this is of course on top of the vastly uneven pilot populations and number of factions between the IS and the Clans. So please explain (and in detail) how all this is just in my head, please.

[Wintersdark]

Jep, on 14 May 2016 - 09:25 AM, said:

And yet ton for ton IS mechs are the better ones right now, especially with their energy weapons. Leastwise, when I see Wolfhounds with 5 med lasers alpha striking time after time when my Arctic Cheetah cannot do that with 6 small pulse lasers, it tells me something.

Did you seriously just complain that IS is OP because your ACH wasn't good enough?

Is your Arctic Cheetah mastered? Getting all elites doubles your basics, which substantially improves heat capacity and dissipation.

One Clan SPL does more damage and less heat than one medium laser, even after accounting for the Wolfhounds 10% heat gen quirk, but at somewhat reduced range.

6 SPL's is a 36 point alpha for 18 heat, 5 ML's is a 25 point alpha for 5x4x.9=18 heat.

You both generate the same heat. Your cheeto does 36 instead of 25 damage.

Oh, poor Clams, we're so disadvantaged!

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By the way, if PGI is not biased, then why are there no Clan mech packs in the game store?

Huh? There are LOTS of Clan Mech packs in the store. You can buy ALL the clan mechs in packs.

Edit: Unless you mean Mastery packs? There aren't any yet because there wasn't a finalized design for Clan hero mechs (each mastery pack is hero+champ+regular). That'll change now we have heros.

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Why are there so many IS mechs yet so few Clan mechs in the game?

Because clans launched after there were already MANY IS mechs? Because the game started before clans so there could be a Clan Invasion event? Note as well that on release, Clans where rather noticably OP, and Clan players (myself being one) where allowed a fairly long time of substantial dominance.

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Why is a Grasshopper laser boat superior to a Timberwolf laser boat (2 more lasers and more jump jets than the TBR) despite being the same tonnage?

...It's not.

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My and other units have been blitzed by 12 Grasshopper rushes before but I have never heard of anyone being blitzed by a 12 TBR rush; have you?

...Yes. I've been involved in it. Many, many times. It was a common complaint for a long time, because CW Clan side was all timber wolves all the time, till Hellbringers arrived with ECM. It's more mixed up now, of course, but Timberwolves still have very strong representation.

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Ever see the 12 Atlas rush on youtube? We have. Ever see a 12 Dire Wolf rush? Nobody has. All this is of course on top of the vastly uneven pilot populations and number of factions between the IS and the Clans. So please explain (and in detail) how all this is just in my head, please.

Because Direwolves aren't very good in CW, for a number of factors, but most importantly that they're too slow (this has nothing to do with PGI) and that gives too much advantage up in Invasion's silly MOBA Lane design. In addition, for a long time there weren't many good low-weight options Clan side (because Clan's where still very new in the game) and that meant it was hard to build a good drop deck with 100t Direwolves. Had to give up too much, when you had the (far superior) Timberwolf, Hellbringer, Ebon Jaguar, and Stormcrow as options. It was still used in CW, though, particularly in defense missions.

So, it's in your head? Well, yeah. Because you clearly have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.

The Timberwolf and Stormcrow where objectively the best mechs in the whole game for a very long time.

Edited by Wintersdark, 14 May 2016 - 09:54 AM.

[Wintersdark]

Toxicresidue, on 14 May 2016 - 01:24 AM, said:

man I have a "bait and switch" feeling going on. the money maker (30% cbill boost variant) doesn't have the same quirks as the others. if you buy the Spirt Bear that has some quirks, but if you were duped into buying the collectors pack so you could get all the pretty {LT-MOB-25} pit items, the prime/moneymaker variant, and 30 extra days premium time you 're gonna get that
"hey buddy get your hand out of my pocket there aint no hotdog sale here !!" feeling. WTF pgi guys?

Bait and switch? How do you figure?

Did you think the KDK-1 would have quirks? You shouldn't have. I'm deeply surprised ANY KDK's have quirks (but happy some do!) because every other Clam mech - particularly Battlemechs - have launched without quirks.

The KDK-1 isn't any worse of a mech than anyone expected. The others ended up better, but nobody lost anything here.

Thus, no "bait and switch".

[Tordin]

Wintersdark, on 13 May 2016 - 09:43 PM, said:

I'll just address one aspect of Nightshades post above.

The Laser Vomit timberwolf vs. AS7-S brawler.

I think the disconnect here is Nightshade's thinking of this in the context of a 1v1 in a pubqueue match. It's not like that.

An Atlas in a full brawling team is totally different. Sure, the peek and poke laser vomit side gets a couple licks in, but the brawlers - the whole team - rushes. Said Atlas can easily eat a few heavy vomit alphas, spreading a decent portion to arms (where it doesn't matter in the slightest). Up close, then, the peek and poke laser vomit team is heatcapped and looking at tiny sustained DPS output while the brawlers drop the MFing hammer.
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How things work out in organised play is nothing like how they play out in pubqueue matches, nothing at all.

I dropped with 10 - 11 of the 12th Donegal in FW some days ago, just before I wrapped up my invasion event checklist.
Those guys are a sight to behold, they all went for Atlases, almost all painted black and blue. They brawl wrecked the clanside with those Atlases for almost 2 full waves of clan mechs.
Since the buff the Atlas got, its just plain scary to see a good player in one, weteher it be friend or foe. They are beastly, no doubt.

[Desintegrator]

400XL engine and acceleration + deceleration quirks !?

Nice !!
The Kodiak will be the most quick 100 ton Mech in the game !

At least until the Quirks will be removed 4 weeks after...

[EAP10]

So... The cockpit looks pretty cool, it's neat seeing the snout on top a bit.



But the radio thingy at the end...

(edit) That warhorn though...

Edited by EAP10, 14 May 2016 - 01:30 PM.

[Livestick]

EAP10, on 14 May 2016 - 01:28 PM, said:

But the radio thingy at the end...

You mean you didn't get it? I'm shocked and appalled.

[MonkeyCheese]

EAP10, on 14 May 2016 - 01:28 PM, said:

So... The cockpit looks pretty cool, it's neat seeing the snout on top a bit.



But the radio thingy at the end...

(edit) That warhorn though...

That warhorn.... its perfect!

[Cub]

EAP10, on 14 May 2016 - 01:28 PM, said:

But the radio thingy at the end...

Livestick, on 14 May 2016 - 01:42 PM, said:

You mean you didn't get it? I'm shocked and appalled.

To be fair, in the Kodiak preview the dude is saying "Jack" and in the GBL Intro they are saying "Jag" which I assume is short for Smoke Jaguar. No clue who Jack is however.