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[WarHippy]

Chimera11, on 13 May 2016 - 11:49 AM, said:

Countdown page, here: http://mwomercs.com/...ase-5-days-left

Thanks, I never thought to look there since I know when it is coming out I didn't see the need to look at the countdown.

[Chimera_]

WarHippy, on 13 May 2016 - 11:53 AM, said:

Thanks, I never thought to look there since I know when it is coming out I didn't see the need to look at the countdown.

Yeah, the countdowns are there to hype up new mechs so they give new info out every day prior to the release.

[Navid A1]

The PGI amount of HERP DERP is on a new galactic level.

Based on what unholy satanic standard, KDK-3 which is the king of the bunch gets quirks and the mediocre KDK-1 and KDK-5 get the finger?

is it just the energy hardpoints?

PGI... you want to discourage laser vomit?... how about striking the worst offenders IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW.

WHO THE F* is going to laser vomit in KDK-1..... NNNOOOO OOOONNNNEEEE!

only kodiaks people use will be KDK-SB and KDK-3

You want to slap collector's buyers in the face?... guess who is gonna stop buying your sh*!

I'm so done with these PGI herpderps!

[WarHippy]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 May 2016 - 11:50 AM, said:

also find it odd that they don't give you any real incentive to buy the "Ultimate" packs, like extra swag (ala the collectors pack, premium time, etc) or a 10% discount... instead it's a "hey if you're feeling lazy and don't want to enter the info separate, One Click" thing.

The convenience is nice, I guess, if you are planning to get them all, but if they added some value, it would get people who weren't already planning on buying it all, too.



it's the link in the OP. I shoudl probably screen gran and post.

I saw that link but assumed for some reason it was just a link to the pic of hardpoints. I apparently really need to get some sleep this weekend.

[WarHippy]

Alright, having now seen the quirks I have to say it doesn't make much sense to me that the KDK-1 and KDK-5 got the shaft. I guess I shouldn't complain because I was surprised any of them got anything at all. The quirks that the others got are pretty modest honestly and I see no reason why they shouldn't have been applied across the board. I can think of a few IIC mechs that need similar treatment.

[Chimera_]

WarHippy, on 13 May 2016 - 12:02 PM, said:

I can think of a few IIC mechs that need similar treatment.

I just posted a topic linking Russ' twitter, where he mentioned evaluating the IICs for quirks. It doesn't guarantee we'll be seeing quirks for the underperforming IICs (ON1 and HGN) but they are, at least, looking into it.

[Felio]

Widowmaker1981, on 13 May 2016 - 10:40 AM, said:

Im the same, i bought collectors and regret it - i didnt buy the reinforcements though and wont, now.

It would be much better business from PGI to let players pick which variant they want the C-Bill boost to be on when upgrading to collectors. Id buy it almost every time i bought a pack..

and i also know better *smacks head*

I have tweeted this to Russ a couple of times, but... eh. Nothing.

[Felio]

I just canceled my kodiak preorder. I'd missed the early adopter bonuses anyway, so there's no value to keeping my order at all. You'd think they'd add value if you pay cash no matter when you do it, but oh well.

Not because of the quirks. I'd expected them to have no quirks at all, really. More over not being able to choose my (S) variant and the recent debacle with the solo FW queue and Russ going all "It is what it is."

[Bishop Steiner]

Chimera11, on 13 May 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

Yeah, the countdowns are there to hype up new mechs so they give new info out every day prior to the release.

and they are pretty stale now. I posted months ago about how much nicer a 3 day, condensed Countdown would be (with features like releasing the build codes to Smurfies like a day or two before the actual patch). PGI, predictably, ignored it. They'll probably investigate and implement the idea as "their own" in about 2 years.

Navid A1, on 13 May 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

The PGI amount of HERP DERP is on a new galactic level.

Based on what unholy satanic standard, KDK-3 which is the king of the bunch gets quirks and the mediocre KDK-1 and KDK-5 get the finger?

is it just the energy hardpoints?

PGI... you want to discourage laser vomit?... how about striking the worst offenders IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW.

WHO THE F* is going to laser vomit in KDK-1..... NNNOOOO OOOONNNNEEEE!

only kodiaks people use will be KDK-SB and KDK-3

You want to slap collector's buyers in the face?... guess who is gonna stop buying your sh*!

I'm so done with these PGI herpderps!

Well, we have long agreed that the Collectors packs were lacking in value. I still prefer Mech of the Month over Jumbo Packs (and I think that feeling is dominant, hence PGI shifting away), but you know how I feel Collector Packs should be approached, period.

Also, posted a Topic about the Ultimate Packs and lack of value:
http://mwomercs.com/...es-opportunity/

Would be curious your 2ct.

[Wintersdark]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 May 2016 - 11:37 AM, said:

Good point!


Listen to the man! Ain't too late!

Thought about it, but the other bonuses... Eh, I'll keep it. Hopefully it'll get quirked later.

It's still another month of premium time and such.

[Bishop Steiner]

Wintersdark, on 13 May 2016 - 12:47 PM, said:

Thought about it, but the other bonuses... Eh, I'll keep it. Hopefully it'll get quirked later.

It's still another month of premium time and such.

True. Also, I don't really feel like this is an example of "screwing the customer", so much as simply an example where the Collectors Pack just doesn't hold enough value for me to consider it, personally, in comparison to the Hero.

There have been instances on some Packs, with decisions I did rage on Russ's Twitter over (Archer Quirks, JK not really their Quirks, nope those are the Quirks, and you will like it.... being the last example, and for the record, the patched in quirks, showed I was right, even if they STILL have screwed over those wanting to use large LRM racks), but I don't feel this is one of those.

[Burke IV]

Chimera11, on 13 May 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

Yeah, the countdowns are there to hype up new mechs so they give new info out every day prior to the release.

I always thought that was kind of a joke cause so many people whined about missing teh archer early adopter deadline

[Zerberus]

Anyone who regrets their purchase can let me know, I´ll gladly open up a home for all those wayward Kodiaks in desperate need of love

[Wintersdark]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 May 2016 - 12:52 PM, said:

True. Also, I don't really feel like this is an example of "screwing the customer", so much as simply an example where the Collectors Pack just doesn't hold enough value for me to consider it, personally, in comparison to the Hero.

There have been instances on some Packs, with decisions I did rage on Russ's Twitter over (Archer Quirks, JK not really their Quirks, nope those are the Quirks, and you will like it.... being the last example, and for the record, the patched in quirks, showed I was right, even if they STILL have screwed over those wanting to use large LRM racks), but I don't feel this is one of those.

Yeah. I certainly don't feel that PGI actually screwed me here, as my expectations for the Kodiak's were very solidly that NONE would get quirks. In my opinion, and considering my use cases (No bloody more laser vomit) this makes the kdk1 and kdk5 objectively poor in comparison but PGI didn't nerf either - they just unexpectedly buffed the others. So, I'll take my buffs and be happy with them.

I'll still sell my regular kdk1 and enjoy my extra month of premium time - the premium alone is worth roughly $15.

[Monkey Lover]

All I wanted was the Hero because of the masc+400xl. Now with the quirks oh baby it's going to be great. I think I will keep.the other 3 around but I'm selling the extra 400xl engines for some big bucks.

[Bishop Steiner]

which one to paint pink though......

the KDK-3 will probably be my go to Kodi, but.... no rainbow.......

But..I find laservomit the epitome of boring so the KDK1 ..... probably not

First World Problems.

[Silas7]

I agree with bishops ideas on collector packs but the KDK-1(S) is going to be my main rig, maybe it will get quirked or it won't but that won't stop me from melting faces. Seeing the quirks are just general buffs unrelated to weapon performance I wouldn't be surprised if the other two get them later down the line after launch.

[Roadkill]

Wintersdark, on 13 May 2016 - 12:47 PM, said:

Thought about it, but the other bonuses... Eh, I'll keep it. Hopefully it'll get quirked later.

It's still another month of premium time and such.

I tend to get the Collector's pack for that reason. I also like having the warhorns though I don't really credit them with much value. The 30% c-bill boost and the extra premium time are worth $10 to me.

That changes when the (S) variant is poor, as is now the case with the Kodiak. I don't really regret getting the Collector's pack, but I probably wouldn't have if I'd known what we know now.

To me, the 3 and SB are clearly the best. I'm leaning toward the 4 for 3rd place just because my Orion IIC-C with dual CUAC/10 in one location was such a beast - and on the KDK-4 you can back that up with 4E and 2M.

The 2 seems weak. (I basically never use jump jets, so they're of no value in my eyes.) If it had one more ballistic in the same torso it'd be awesome... but no such luck.

The 1 and 5 both already suffered from the same problem, which is that you can't really use that many energy hardpoints without most of them being small. Despite its XL400 and MASC, the Kodiak isn't fast so small lasers (and SPL) are risky. Compound that with a complete lack of quirks and they're just bad. You have to get in close to use all your energy hardpoints, but you have no maneuverability quirks to make brawling reasonable. <facepalm>

[Bishop Steiner]

Roadkill, on 13 May 2016 - 03:54 PM, said:

I tend to get the Collector's pack for that reason. I also like having the warhorns though I don't really credit them with much value. The 30% c-bill boost and the extra premium time are worth $10 to me.

That changes when the (S) variant is poor, as is now the case with the Kodiak. I don't really regret getting the Collector's pack, but I probably wouldn't have if I'd known what we know now.

To me, the 3 and SB are clearly the best. I'm leaning toward the 4 for 3rd place just because my Orion IIC-C with dual CUAC/10 in one location was such a beast - and on the KDK-4 you can back that up with 4E and 2M.

The 2 seems weak. (I basically never use jump jets, so they're of no value in my eyes.) If it had one more ballistic in the same torso it'd be awesome... but no such luck.

The 1 and 5 both already suffered from the same problem, which is that you can't really use that many energy hardpoints without most of them being small. Despite its XL400 and MASC, the Kodiak isn't fast so small lasers (and SPL) are risky. Compound that with a complete lack of quirks and they're just bad. You have to get in close to use all your energy hardpoints, but you have no maneuverability quirks to make brawling reasonable. <facepalm>

Well, putting ERSL in the arms is less risky if you are packing 2xaSRM6 in the LT, an LPL in the CT and a UAC10 in the RT.

In fact they compliment the SRMs rather well. Or one could stick at 6 ERSL, and pop in a pair of ERLL in the arms to go with the CT LPL or RT UAC 10 at range (depending on what else you load in).

And even without extra quirks, 400 gives you a pretty solid twist rate.

[Alex Morgaine]

Will i did for the marauder... And phx... Though I'm tempted to cancel and get vindicators if they are half way less sucky after the re-size... Unless phx comes in first then i have to pick up them later... Hmmm.... Which is dripping first again? I have to many 70s as it is too but can't sell... Not after the wang-cident....and my Zeus is mah babby... Hard to run other Mechs then my babby...
I seem to have an issue here... Damn cw weight limits all out of whack...