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[KinLuu]

Commander A9, on 18 May 2016 - 07:59 PM, said:

We chose Steiner because we wanted to use our Kodiaks, and we thought we'd have alot of matches on Jade Falcon considering they had made the forward-most progress into the Inner Sphere.

Pfft.

Oh wow.

Did not believe you guys would be that stupid.

The falcons were already complaining that no one wanted to fight them, before you guys moved...

[LordNothing]

Joey Tankblaster, on 18 May 2016 - 11:32 PM, said:

Thats only one part of the story. The most important issue IMHO is faction imbalance. That problem exists since the start of CW beta 1 and PGI is unwilling or incompetent to solve it.

if the numbers in the merc contract screen are to be believed the factions are balanced pretty well. within +/- 2%. this probibly does not count loyalists (though it probibly should).

i think its the number of players not attacking. when you have 5 sets of pugs sitting in a defense queue in every faction and not one of them sitting in attack queues, then the only people to fight are unit players out for planets. you need to incentivize a healthy attacking/defending population balance within each faction.

its just too many people (especially pugs) see defense as easy mode, and its really not. its fw seal clubbing edition. this is not the unit's fault, they just want to capture planets. its not their fault that defense queues draw pugs like moths to a flame.

Edited by LordNothing, 19 May 2016 - 12:05 AM.

[Kin3ticX]

The last time -MS- sought out to fix a queue imbalance it created 20 pages of forum butthurt and PGI will probably never intervene again.

Just let the week contract run out and then find another angle to hit the map

Jman5, on 18 May 2016 - 08:20 PM, said:

How are players supposed to know it's so lopsided when PGI's population counter is telling you you're within 1% of the opposing faction's population.



And Unlike the Loyalty Leaderboard, the Mercenary Unit Leaderboard does not deign to tell us what faction these Merc Units are assigned to.

A good point

However it doesnt take two things into account

1) activity level of said population

2) butthurt level of said population

[iLLcapitan]

MechPorn, on 18 May 2016 - 09:03 PM, said:

Well, it is better to just let MS, kCom, 228 and such ghost drop 75% of the time. I am not interested in beating you than letting your 5 to 10 other 12 mans snake the planet from us with ghost drops and drops VS pugs.

Sometimes the best action is to have no action.

This must be one the most stupid things I've read on this forum

Edited by iLLcapitan, 19 May 2016 - 12:25 AM.

[justcallme A S H]

Kin3ticX, on 19 May 2016 - 12:17 AM, said:

2) butthurt level of said population

And this is without a doubt, the most important factor as to why CJF can't get games against Steiner. They are still carrying on about game balance (probably SCrows et al.

iLLcapitan, on 19 May 2016 - 12:24 AM, said:

This must be one the most stupid things I've read on this forum

Totally agree, but he's right - they won't defend... UNLESS they stand a chance of winning.

So they won't defend Steiner planets, cause they can't win.

Edited by R31Nismoid, 19 May 2016 - 12:29 AM.

[Joey Tankblaster]

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The last time -MS- sought out to fix a queue imbalance it created 20 pages of forum butthurt and PGI will probably never intervene again.

In the first instance you could have avoided a faction imbalance by not going to CJF but somewhere else.

[Kin3ticX]

Joey Tankblaster, on 19 May 2016 - 12:29 AM, said:

In the first instance you could have avoided a faction imbalance by not going to CJF but somewhere else.

Okay then captain obvious, i guess we should have you come run mercstar for us since we dont know what we are doing

[Kin3ticX]

Commander A9, on 18 May 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

I have officially lost confidence in PGI.

Would you like to buy a mechpack still though?

[iLLcapitan]

First come, first served dear falcons.
The FRR approves Steiner's dunkirk.

[Joey Tankblaster]

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Okay then captain obvious, i guess we should have you come run mercstar for us since we dont know what we are doing

Better you learn to run your business.

Edited by Joey Tankblaster, 19 May 2016 - 01:32 AM.

[iLLcapitan]

Joey Tankblaster, on 19 May 2016 - 01:27 AM, said:

Better you learn to run your business.

You refuse to drop against equal/better units and mock them for getting ghost drops?
Please stop embarrassing yourself.

[BSK]

dervishx5, on 18 May 2016 - 09:03 PM, said:

Hey, 228 and MS are big teams. Play each other.

Before tuesday 228 was Marik and MS was Davion. You think they went for each other? Not even once. We had their 12 mans defending the FRR planet all the time. And crying us spiral arms when we went for objectives.

[KinLuu]

iLLcapitan, on 19 May 2016 - 01:53 AM, said:

You refuse to drop against equal/better units and mock them for getting ghost drops?
Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Well, this thread kinda proves, that said strategy is indeed working.

[-Vompo-]

KinLuu, on 19 May 2016 - 02:43 AM, said:

Well, this thread kinda proves, that said strategy is indeed working.

Doesn't make it any less embarrasing.

[KinLuu]

VompoVompatti, on 19 May 2016 - 02:57 AM, said:

Doesn't make it any less embarrasing.

But who really cares if it is?

In the end, the only thing that matters, is that the Steiner guys have fun. And if there is no fun to be had for them at the CJF border - why should they not go somewhere else?

[-Vompo-]

You are right that it doesn't matter really. In the end it is about having fun but at the same time you cannot say that it isn't embarrasing if one of the IS factions abandons their own front just because they are facing tough opponents.

[KinLuu]

I never denied that it might be embarrasing. I just does not matter.

[Joey Tankblaster]

iLLcapitan, on 19 May 2016 - 01:53 AM, said:

You refuse to drop against equal/better units and mock them for getting ghost drops?
Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Well - please show me the rule that I or my unit or Steiner as a whole have to do something. Its our free will to vote and attack where we want.

We defend Steiner Space all the time and have nice drops against skilled and kind opponents. We are just somewhere else where you don't want us to be.

Many mercs went to CJF to test the Kodiak in Faction Play, right? Thats their free will.

It was known for weeks that the steiner population is quite low on the CJF front. Nonetheless, mercs went CJF.

It is an often critized issue that top tier teams, by miracle, chose the same faction. And again they went CJF.

It is known that PUGs, after getting stomped by 12mans on steiner planets during defense will stop playing yielding in empty queues. Nonetheless you complain about waiting times and ghostdrops.

It was the mercs choice. You have to live with it.

Sry. No pity.

Edited by Joey Tankblaster, 19 May 2016 - 03:32 AM.

[DarklightCA]

BSK, on 19 May 2016 - 01:58 AM, said:

Before tuesday 228 was Marik and MS was Davion. You think they went for each other? Not even once. We had their 12 mans defending the FRR planet all the time. And crying us spiral arms when we went for objectives.

You are joking right? Davion wasn't defending their worlds, likely because they were being attacked/attacking other factions. We like MANY other units/players went where we were more likely to get actual drops. What would you have us do, ghost drop game after game and hope MS comes out to play? Because we did that in Kurita and it never did **** for us.

Please stop stating things about units that you know nothing about. 228 would love nothing more than to fight MS but we can't magicly make drops happen or make them fight us.

[Livewyr]

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