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[Dingo Battler]

FupDup, on 20 May 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

Your first paragraph was a good, objective explanation of why people should stop bashing Gman. You didn't need to ruin it with insults immediately after it.

Nope, the intent was to insult and shame. They deserve it, after what they said about Gman.

Also, the ones who hide their tiers despite being good is an extreme minority. The vast majority do so because they cannot play and are cowards.

Lastly, the ones who hide it here and offer their "alternative" builds and advice are clearly a blank tier-5. All the "alternative" builds and suggestions I've seen here are frankly, crap. Its very misleading for people to follow them, especially since they sound so wise and smart.

[Deathlike]

I feel like I've been here before.

The Spirit Bear is like driving an Atlas-S, except you fuse it with the benefits of Clan XL, MASC (see Executioner), and this is what you get. Sub in the AC20 with the CLBX20, and magic!

I dunno what people were expecting from the equivalent "Clan Atlas".

The Kodiak-3 is the Clan Dakka 100-tonner of choice... I know the Direwolf was a staple for that, but having better engine access helps a lot in this transition (and in the other part quirks).

I'm not saying anyone should be totally invested in the meta (as in running it), but being aware of what the meta happens to be is far more important to your understanding of what makes a mech build good or bad... and to be surprised at such developments... you're not keeping up.


If people worried/whined less about LRMs, and actually spent more time playing "other parts" of the supposed meta (like SRMs, dakka, aka non-laservomit), you'd learn a thing or two. Too bad more time is spent debating about OP Streakcrows and less about how to properly leg mechs.

Such "problems" is why we can't have nice things.


Carry on.

Edited by Deathlike, 20 May 2016 - 05:15 PM.

[Andi Nagasia]

sadly Everything DeathLike says is True,
its good but Even the semi Bias'ed NGNG says its good but not op, just wait a week or two,
by then you wont ONLY be dieing to Kodiak's, as Each Team wont be 6 Kodiak's anymore,

[Xetelian]

I think metamechs is a good place to start, I don't think they are the be all end all of how best to setup a mech

I think what Gman does is admirable and I sincerely thank him, also I send new players to metamechs whenever I can.


Just got a guy to join me in MWO and he wanted big armor, lots of lasers and wasn't worried about speed. So I linked him the metamechs build for the BNC 3M and he pulled over 600 damage with it in his second match ever but only 300 in his first.


That is saying a lot for someone who didn't play any previous tank games and lives for Call of Duty on his xbox 1.


I use metamechs as an idea of what I should build, I don't stick to the meta-build, that is one of the reasons I'll be a tier 3 scrub for life, I enjoy the game more when I come up with something. I also run AWS PB and HGN HM a lot and they suck fairly hard and tank my W/L pretty heavily but I love them. The feeling of putting up 750 damage in an AWS is like a dopamine rush through the pleasure center of my brain.


The KDK 3 is easily tier 1 it has speed, firepower, armor and high mounts

The rest are decent candidates for tier 1 but I feel they fall a little below because not all their weapons are available in the shoulders like the -3 has and the SB is great for brawling but I prefer my AS7 S

AS7-S

SPIRIT BEAR


Very similar, the KDK SB kinda wins but the AS7 S is close with good structure quirks and can survive both torsos loss

Edited by Xetelian, 20 May 2016 - 07:50 PM.

[ChewBaka]

I don't get what the fuss is about. Its not at all surprising to see the KDK top the clan assaults. Its not like the clans have a good selection to begin with in that class.

But unless he did some ninja edits, its not like the KDK is dominating either the competitive or meta tier list. 2 variants might be the top of the meta list now, but hello? Banshee, Battlemaster, Black Knight, Blackjack? For crying out loud, his ranking list has the once all-powerful Timberwolf outranked by a bunch of IS mechs.

[_____]

FYI, the OutreachHPG thread about this thread

[Corrado]

Xetelian, on 19 May 2016 - 05:05 PM, said:

I've always regarded meta mechs as a starting point towards finding 'viable' builds.

Never thought their ranking was anything more than a person's opinion and not reflective of the whole of the community.

this. also hunchie 4G, YLW and MADDOG high tier4? And the Highlander IIC high Tier3? No way. that's BS imo.

[dario03]

KBurn85, on 20 May 2016 - 05:12 PM, said:

Nope, the intent was to insult and shame. They deserve it, after what they said about Gman.

Also, the ones who hide their tiers despite being good is an extreme minority. The vast majority do so because they cannot play and are cowards.

Lastly, the ones who hide it here and offer their "alternative" builds and advice are clearly a blank tier-5. All the "alternative" builds and suggestions I've seen here are frankly, crap. Its very misleading for people to follow them, especially since they sound so wise and smart.

How do you know that?

[Yosharian]

Gman's builds are very good, just because you disagree with a tiny choice he made (flamers aren't THAT bad on a brawler) doesn't invalidate every other decent build on his site. And if you hate the existence of meta builds, that's not Gman's fault.

All the people queuing up to flame the **** out of Metamechs need to ask themselves what they're bringing to this community that even comes close to that site.

There are basically no other sites that offer such a concise build list in such an easily accessible form. That I know of, anyway.

I'd just add that I switched my Panther-9R to a build posted on his site yesterday, and immediately started getting 500+ dmg per round games in it. One game I hit just over 1k damage.

Edited by Yosharian, 21 May 2016 - 01:41 AM.

[chucklesMuch]

I love that people like Gman take the time to provide a really helpful resource for MWO. I often try his builds... and then tinker... and probably tinker some more... (Except for Kodiaks as I have already been running them). But I'm likely to go see what his thoughts are as he's a more experienced and better pilot than I.

As for flamers... damn I hate getting shut down by those things... seen a lot of them in scouting matches and even a few in QP of late... have I mentioned that getting flamed by a brawler really sucks??

Edited by chucklesMuch, 21 May 2016 - 01:27 AM.

[Yosharian]

chucklesMuch, on 21 May 2016 - 01:25 AM, said:

I love that people like Gman take the time to provide a really helpful resource for MWO. I often try his builds... and then tinker... and probably tinker some more... (Except for Kodiaks as I have already been running them). But I'm likely to go see what his thoughts are as he's a more experienced and better pilot than I.

As for flamers... damn I hate getting shut down by those things... seen a lot of them in scouting matches and even a few in QP of late... have I mentioned that getting flamed by a brawler really sucks??

Yeah, big brawl assaults like the Atlas-S run hot, has everyone forgotten that? AC20 and SRM6s bring an incredible amount of heat, even more if you're trying to fire MLs at the same time.

Edited by Yosharian, 21 May 2016 - 01:56 AM.

[chucklesMuch]

Yosharian, on 21 May 2016 - 01:30 AM, said:

Yeah, I mean big brawl assaults like the Atlas-S run hot, has everyone forgotten that? AC20 and SRM6s bring an incredible amount of heat, even more if you're trying to fire MLs at the same time.

I wasn't referring to you ... just the idea that flamers are rubbish... I disagree. - They can be super annoying (read effective) on medium brawlers .. if they can be used effectively on Kodiak's... then that is just gonna make some peoples day (read QQ)... nothing like being shutdown facing a 100 tonnes of assault!

[Yosharian]

chucklesMuch, on 21 May 2016 - 01:46 AM, said:

I wasn't referring to you ... just the idea that flamers are rubbish... I disagree. - They can be super annoying (read effective) on medium brawlers .. if they can be used effectively on Kodiak's... then that is just gonna make some peoples day (read QQ)... nothing like being shutdown facing a 100 tonnes of assault!

No, you misunderstood. I wasn't contradicting you, I was agreeing with you.

[chucklesMuch]

Yosharian, on 21 May 2016 - 01:56 AM, said:

No, you misunderstood. I wasn't contradicting you, I was agreeing with you.

Sorry my bad

[Corrado]

LordNothing, on 20 May 2016 - 12:28 AM, said:

i dont understand the 2, especially since the 1 can do the same builds. 2 has jjs but at 2 tons each i normally dont put them on my assault mechs.

that's why got quirks. less hardpoints of the reduntant 1 and 5.

[Nightshade24]

Mortalcoil, on 19 May 2016 - 04:43 PM, said:

OP? Pay to win? QQ? Clans still complaining about IS OP?

LegendaryArticuno, on 19 May 2016 - 04:50 PM, said:

Is Metamechs a joke now? They ranked this loadout as a Tier 1 build?

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...7a36ec7096583d6

Khobai, on 19 May 2016 - 04:51 PM, said:

metamechs has always been a joke

MetaMechs has ALWAYS been 1 persons opinion. It is an educated Opinion but MW: O is to deep of a game and has so many situational circumstances and conflicting opinions by the larger most respected competitive units, and the fact that there are different maps, etc.
It has been stated many times there, with comments like "in my opinion...", "I think this..." etc.

It's literally impossible to go into depth about THEE meta or competitive builds and mechs in MW: O, it is possibly for a broad overview and that's that.

[Liveish]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 20 May 2016 - 10:13 AM, said:

He had the STK-3H as top extreme range mech after the range nerf despite everyone having already stopped playing it even before that happened (the range nerfed only solidified it) for a long time as well.

You do not understand this mech.

The List is for good mechs over 750M, which this mech still does ( +mods)

The Hard points, Poking, moving damage off your CT in why this mech is there.

[L3mming2]

davoodoo, on 20 May 2016 - 12:46 PM, said:

Everytime i go into meta mechs i find their builds terribly underarmed, underarmored or just straight up weird.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a1dd02b12ac23dc
This is their kdk3

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a47f31931a2b403
This is what i run.

Dropped 2 tons of ammo since i rarely have a chance to dispose of 600 rounds and unless someone presents me at least 5 close to 2000 dmg matches ill say its impossible to expend it all if you aim well.
Dropped engine to 350, 5kph wont be that much of a problem and added 4 mlas for backup if they jam or against agile lights also put armor on arms so you can use them as shields when you feel the need to do so.

eum no this is there KDK 3
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...25ef38de75e2e3e

[Liveish]

L3mming2, on 21 May 2016 - 03:51 AM, said:

eum no this is there KDK 3
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...25ef38de75e2e3e

Nope

http://metamechs.com...ists/comp-list/

See this page its the http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a1dd02b12ac23dc

[Sjorpha]

live1991, on 21 May 2016 - 04:09 AM, said:

Nope

http://metamechs.com...ists/comp-list/

See this page its the http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a1dd02b12ac23dc

The build L3mming2 posted is also from metamechs, in a different tier list.