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[Hit the Deck]

Naduk, on 09 June 2016 - 10:08 PM, said:

Op
You are trying to compare a sports car to a bicycle and your upset that peddle power is slow

Not OP but I prefer my bicycle thank you!



At least I always know what's wrong if I'm going slow!

[Anjian]

Rampage, on 09 June 2016 - 06:56 PM, said:

Overwatch is nerfing the D'Va and her Mech.

McCree getting nerfed too.

Mei appears to be the top troll character from what I heard.

[Green Mamba]

Anjian, on 10 June 2016 - 12:46 AM, said:

Mei appears to be the top troll character from what I heard.

Mei is the Jenner OXIDE currently

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Naduk, on 09 June 2016 - 10:08 PM, said:

They have a tiny income compared to the scale of game they are making

The scale of MWO isn't large, let's stop pretending that it is......if it weren't for CW/FW, they would be pretty much the same scale of game, until competitive mode drops in Overwatch.

Green Mamba, on 10 June 2016 - 03:20 AM, said:

Mei is the Jenner OXIDE currently

Nah, Mei is the old BJ-1X, great for PUG stomping, not as great for comp.

invernomuto, on 09 June 2016 - 09:35 PM, said:

But how many characters there are in Overwatch? How many chassis in MWO? It's impossible to perfectly balance each mech in the game...

And there is a problem with that, if I can't expect mechs to be decent on release, I'm often just buying mechs for nostalgia, that certainly doesn't help sales especially with new players if new mechs don't offer anything really new. We have 300+ variants many of which are pointless (pointless in that there are mechs that do everything better than sub par variants) even with quirks.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 10 June 2016 - 06:54 AM.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Rampage, on 09 June 2016 - 06:56 PM, said:

Overwatch is nerfing the D'Va and her Mech.

McCree getting nerfed too.

D.Va is getting buffed.

Green Mamba, on 10 June 2016 - 03:20 AM, said:

Mei is the Jenner OXIDE currently

Nah, if anything McCree is the Oxide. He absolutely shreds Tank characters in close range.

[pwnface]

Chrome Magnus, on 09 June 2016 - 06:36 PM, said:

Except of course you offer a comparison which wildly exaggerates the difference. It's more like two of the same cars but one has a hi flow muffler and a single lightweight bucket seat.

So the difference between a SDR-5V and an Oxide is a high flow muffler and a bucket seat?

I'm pretty sure there is like a 200 horsepower difference there at least.

Let's not pretend the difference in power between different mech variants and chassis is small (5-10%). Chassis (quirks) and builds matter as much as player skill in MWO. A more accurate comparison is two of the same cars but one has a turbocharger and is professionally tuned by a shop and the other is stock.

Edited by pwnface, 10 June 2016 - 09:34 AM.

[pwnface]

Marack Drock the Unicorn Wizard, on 10 June 2016 - 12:55 AM, said:

Yeah I would give a **** if Overwatch wasn't literally just a less awesome version of Team Fortress 2. That is literally all it is. Just not as good. TF2 is funny, creative, and it is also FREEEEEEEEEE. Overwatch is just Blizzard's attempt to try and cash in on the FPS market because the ****** up World of WarCraft so bad that their subscriber count dropped to the lowest it has ever been before they turned off the counter (so people couldn't see their failure).

Blizzard is a company that I personally hate, and wish it had gone under years ago because it hasn't put out an innovative or even remotely fun game since Diablo 2 in my opinion.

Have you played Overwatch? I'm guessing you haven't.

[Variant1]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 09 June 2016 - 10:38 AM, said:

1.You should probably include citations for this, because while they don't ever get a large influx of cash at one time like standard release games, that doesn't mean they make less money than standard release games.

2.The difference is, those micro-transactions are for purely cosmetic items, there is nothing stopping you from playing any hero, where as there is a HUGE obstacle to play all mechs in this game, or even all roles.

3.You know what's insidious, charging 30$ for a single (and unique) variant in a game with over 300 different variants.....

1. Think about this: Blizzard has been developing games longer than PGI has and they have more experience. I think its safe to say blizzard has more resources than pgi.

2. The same thing could be said about wanting to have all the skins. Its a haves and have nots kind of psychological battle. The problem here is paying for skins or loot boxes is ridiculous for a game you already payed for. Watch jim sterlings fee to pay because he explains it alot better then i can on why having micro transactions in games you already payed for is bs. Its like saying your okay if halo 3 made all the armor and colors you have to pay for after you bought the game for 60$. Micro transactions should not be in games you already payed for.

3.Yeah but you know what you get when you buy it, where in overwatch the loot crates are random. Again this is forgivable for a f2p because pgi has to make money somehow where as overwatch they already made their money from the entry fee and are now milking for extra stuff they could have made for free (see halo 3 comparison above). This doesn't just apply to overwatch, any other game that you payed for that has micro transactions is disgusting.

Edited by Variant1, 10 June 2016 - 10:08 AM.

[Adamant80]

My issue with Overwatch is that it doesnt look like its going to have content added very often. I'd buy and play if I had the money but for now I see a lack of promise in Overwatch.

[pwnface]

Adamant80, on 10 June 2016 - 10:07 AM, said:

My issue with Overwatch is that it doesnt look like its going to have content added very often. I'd buy and play if I had the money but for now I see a lack of promise in Overwatch.

If Heroes of the Storm is any indicator, and it may not be, we'll likely see new heroes added every few months.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Variant1, on 10 June 2016 - 10:06 AM, said:

1. Think about this: Blizzard has been developing games longer than PGI has and they have more experience. I think its safe to say blizzard has more resources than pgi.

The development teams may have more resources at their disposal than PGI, but I wouldn't put too much emphasis on it. Probably their biggest advantage is the talent they pull in and keep, not so much how many resources they have. For example, this seems like a much better version of HSR (and relevant to MWO since there isn't many hitscan weapons in Overwatch):

Variant1, on 10 June 2016 - 10:06 AM, said:

2. Micro transactions should not be in games you already payed for.

Not necessarily disagreeing here, but there is a big difference in what you are paying for between games, and one is certainly more of a problem than the other (MWO's is worse, by far).

Variant1, on 10 June 2016 - 10:06 AM, said:

3.Yeah but you know what you get when you buy it, where in overwatch the loot crates are random.

So that justifies the outrageous price? Please, no it doesn't. Just because things are random in that game doesn't mean it takes that long to get what you want, because it really doesn't. Keep in mind however you can all do it for free after spending at most $40 on that game. The $40 dollars goes further in that game because there are less hoops to jump through in that game. For example, a year from now after they have added a lot of content including new heroes, you get all of it for $40. In contrast MWO still starts you out with 4 mechbays and since prices never drop on mechs and such, it means you are paying more not only for potential skins, but for potential ways of play.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 10 June 2016 - 12:41 PM.

[Cy Mitchell]

Kaeb Odellas, on 10 June 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

D.Va is getting buffed.

Thanks. I had heard it was the other way around. I do not play OW but my son is a very good FPS player and is currently enjoying OW.

[Stelar 7]

I couldn't care less about overwatch. Master of Orion, though, that has been eating all my time.

[Chrome Magnus]

pwnface, on 10 June 2016 - 09:32 AM, said:

So the difference between a SDR-5V and an Oxide is a high flow muffler and a bucket seat?

I'm pretty sure there is like a 200 horsepower difference there at least.

Let's not pretend the difference in power between different mech variants and chassis is small (5-10%). Chassis (quirks) and builds matter as much as player skill in MWO. A more accurate comparison is two of the same cars but one has a turbocharger and is professionally tuned by a shop and the other is stock.

Your statement that this chain has been in response to was "there is no hero that is useless like 50% of the mechs..." So lets stay in the field of your statements... You're choosing to pick what you see as one of the worst mechs and comparing it to the "omg most OP!" candidate. Doesn't really bolster the "50%" claim.

And again you go to hyperbole with the turbocharger statement and pretend most mechs have unrealistic and massive differences in strengths. Of course what's kinda funny in your comparison is that I've seen higher scoring 5V's than I have Oxides due to ammo issues. Yeah the Oxide is better for a while but I've seen dozens of them running around with no ammo and many more with no/almost no ammo AND relatively low numbers...

Edited by Chrome Magnus, 10 June 2016 - 05:41 PM.

[Timuroslav]

Rhaythe, on 08 June 2016 - 05:05 AM, said:

In MWO's defense, Blizzard is *the company* for releasing well-balanced, polished, character-based games. I mean, seriously. Polish is their trademark. Even EA has a hard time competing with Blizzard.

Fixed that for ya

"Even EA has a hard time competing with Blizzard."
EA no longer makes games they are a publisher. EA takes small game studios make and they promise to produce them for cheap by eating into their profit cake. Although I wish they did because they made some of the best balanced and good looking FPS

Balanced games? lol no.... WoW hot-patched monthly for YEARS.... because they didn't balance their character classes. Class balanced wasn't considered an issue, because Blizzard thought people would just play the classes they liked. Starcraft II although a great story that copies the story of Warcraft III Frozen Throne had Zerg being horrible balanced classes. Then during Star Craft II the Carrier limit for the protoss had to be hot fixed because Protoss Carriers nuked everything during mid game.

Blizzard invented the hot-fix....

I don't mean any hostility, but I find your remark wrong and as a Lover of GOOD RTS.
Rise of Nations. Total War Shogun II Age of Mythology I find this remark wrong.
(Blizzard )They do know how to polish and they do know how to Market though, and that Routinely is the difference.

Edited by Timuroslav, 10 June 2016 - 06:03 PM.

[Mystere]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 10 June 2016 - 12:41 PM, said:

The development teams may have more resources at their disposal than PGI, but I wouldn't put too much emphasis on it. Probably their biggest advantage is the talent they pull in and keep, not so much how many resources they have. For example, this seems like a much better version of HSR (and relevant to MWO since there isn't many hitscan weapons in Overwatch):

Now if only PGI also explained their netcode as eloquently as those guys.

[Anjian]

Got to admit that Blizzard got a home run hit here. The game sold over 7 million in just 10 days.

In Korea, it has quickly become the most played game behind League of Legends.

http://www.dailydot....-pc-bangs-june/

Lots of esports talk now.

[Sorbic]

My girlfriend is also an avid gamer and we were talking about Overwatch yesterday. Well laughing at it's rehashed nature...


We do both plan on buying it after it's cheap. Steam sale or something.

Edited by Sorbic, 10 June 2016 - 08:39 PM.

[Thorn Hallis]

Sorbic, on 10 June 2016 - 08:38 PM, said:

We do both plan on buying it after it's cheap. Steam sale or something.

Right, a Steam sale on a Blizzard game.

pwnface, on 09 June 2016 - 05:58 PM, said:

I'm really of the opinion that we need to just let MWO die so that someone else can pick up the IP.
The longer this game stays alive the worse off mechwarrior / battletech fans will be.

Chances are high it would get worse with a new developer.

Edited by Thorn Hallis, 10 June 2016 - 11:24 PM.

[pwnface]

Chrome Magnus, on 10 June 2016 - 05:41 PM, said:

Your statement that this chain has been in response to was "there is no hero that is useless like 50% of the mechs..." So lets stay in the field of your statements... You're choosing to pick what you see as one of the worst mechs and comparing it to the "omg most OP!" candidate. Doesn't really bolster the "50%" claim.

And again you go to hyperbole with the turbocharger statement and pretend most mechs have unrealistic and massive differences in strengths. Of course what's kinda funny in your comparison is that I've seen higher scoring 5V's than I have Oxides due to ammo issues. Yeah the Oxide is better for a while but I've seen dozens of them running around with no ammo and many more with no/almost no ammo AND relatively low numbers...

OK you win.

100% of the mechs available are super useful.

SDR-5V is better than the JR7-O.