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[Nyte Kitsune]

Ok.. Just being a little silly here, but always see here on the forums how X is OP. In all honesty no mech is really that OP.. Sure there are exceptions, like the Pre-Patch Oxides/Jenner IIc's, but lets give credit, where credit is due, You, the pilots.

I have tried many of the mechs people claim are OP, the Oxides, Streak Crows, Boom Jeagers, etc.. and you know what? I totally suck in them.. Yup.. can't hit squat. Give me certain mechs and I'll take top score in a match, just usually not in mechs people claim are OP. I regularly get good scores in mechs that others will quickly avoid, Dragons for example, I have on occasion done excetionally well in them (Over 700 damage), and yet most people think they suck.

It's the pilot that makes a mech OP. I see some people wrecking everyone in certian mechs, yet I, which am by far not the best pilot, but no worse than the guy piloting the same mech can't use the same as well. We all have our favorites and mechs we do well in so give yourselves some credit. Are some mechs better than others? Sure, but its YOU that makes it OP, not the mech itself.

[zagibu]

So because you suck in OP mechs, OP mechs are not OP? I don't think so. If you give the railgun to a noob in Quake3, he'll probably score less with it than with the standard machinegun, but that doesn't mean the railgun is not better than the machinegun.

[Metus regem]

zagibu, on 22 June 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

So because you suck in OP mechs, OP mechs are not OP? I don't think so. If you give the railgun to a noob in Quake3, he'll probably score less with it than with the standard machinegun, but that doesn't mean the railgun is not better than the machinegun.

What they are saying is, yes some mechs are stronger than others, but nothing is a:



As a noob cannot just climb into the strongest mech in the game and instantly win, he saying that the pilot makes all the difference. Me, I can't use Storm Crows to save my life, but give me a Dragon and I am an unholy terror.

[Belacose]

Indeed! Out of all the mechs I've "mastered" so far for some odd-assed reason it seems the chubby little Hunback IIC-B was the one which fit me the best. Whenever I'm having a slew of bad games I always seem to fall back on it. It's so cute too, even with the new stubby little outstretched air plane arms. Sometimes I wish we could be married. May need to seek help on that?

Did I miss the point too? Oh well, no matter the subject at hand I just can't stop day dreaming about my wittle hunchy pumpkin.

Sorry and carry on!

Edited by Belacose, 22 June 2016 - 02:42 PM.

[Deathlike]

Pilots make most of the mech, but the mechs themselves force a limit to what you can do.

There will still be bad pilots as there will still be bad mechs.

[Chagatay]

I know you don't want the Locust's quirks to be dialed back but be honest with yourself...it is going to happen maybe not right away but it will. I personally don't like them as I can't stand that cockpit and the lack of arm actuated weapons.

I will agree with your statement that the pilot makes all the difference but trying to say that certain mechs are not out of line is silly. I am not supportive of such things as 50% anything quirks even for Mist Lynx.

[Antares102]

You have never seen the original Arctic Cheeta it seems.
That mech was certainly OP.
Also TDR-9S with 50% heat generation.

[zagibu]

Metus regem, on 22 June 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

As a noob cannot just climb into the strongest mech in the game and instantly win, he saying that the pilot makes all the difference. Me, I can't use Storm Crows to save my life, but give me a Dragon and I am an unholy terror.

The pilot does not make all the difference. There is a difference in mechs too. Saying the pilot alone makes all the difference is as dumb as saying the mech alone makes all the difference.

[vettie]

simple

Pilots are OP, please nerf pilots

[Maugged]

The mech is a tool. If you suck at using a hammer it's not the hammer's fault no matter the hammer model you'll be using... That's like a guy who come to a trackday with a big expensive car and no driving skill and claim that cars which have less power shouldn't be allowed to go around the track faster.

[Belacose]

Chagatay, on 22 June 2016 - 02:38 PM, said:

I know you don't want the Locust's quirks to be dialed back but be honest with yourself...it is going to happen maybe not right away but it will. I personally don't like them as I can't stand that cockpit and the lack of arm actuated weapons.

I will agree with your statement that the pilot makes all the difference but trying to say that certain mechs are not out of line is silly. I am not supportive of such things as 50% anything quirks even for Mist Lynx.

STREAK trumps Locust. Git Guud!










Just being facetious. Don't hit the face!

[Nyte Kitsune]

zag, You live in your own little world, don't you?

You completely missed the point. The pilot IS the difference. An Oxide IS a great mech "IF" the person piloting it can actually get it in and out of combat and hit what they're shooting at. However, not everyone that buys one and hops in thinking "Wow, that guy last match had 700+ damage in that, its OP" is assuming that his skill level is equal to the guy he watched.. not likely.

Again.. its the pilot.

You keep saying it's the mech that makes you good, it's not the mech, a mech is only as good as the person piloting it, hence, YOU the pilot.

And to those saying some mechs are bad? Ok.. I'll give you that one.. some are particularly bad, but not hopeless, even bad mechs, once stripped and modified to taste can shine with the right pilot.... Except maybe the Charger, which thankfully we don't have. People keep telling me "Panthers are bad", and yet I get good scores in them.

[cazidin]

Shh... don't tell PGI or they might nerf me in the next patch while giving Babycakes a buff. Also. I think they need to hotfix Procurator Derek back to Scout Derek. That change was worse than the new Mini Map.

[Bilbo]

Nyte Kitsune, on 22 June 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

zag, You live in your own little world, don't you?

You completely missed the point. The pilot IS the difference. An Oxide IS a great mech "IF" the person piloting it can actually get it in and out of combat and hit what they're shooting at. However, not everyone that buys one and hops in thinking "Wow, that guy last match had 700+ damage in that, its OP" is assuming that his skill level is equal to the guy he watched.. not likely.

Again.. its the pilot.

You keep saying it's the mech that makes you good, it's not the mech, a mech is only as good as the person piloting it, hence, YOU the pilot.

And to those saying some mechs are bad? Ok.. I'll give you that one.. some are particularly bad, but not hopeless, even bad mechs, once stripped and modified to taste can shine with the right pilot.... Except maybe the Charger, which thankfully we don't have. People keep telling me "Panthers are bad", and yet I get good scores in them.

I don't get into how much specific mechs may or may not be OP anymore, because I just don't care at this point. However, the argument that a mech is not OP because a an unskilled player cannot make it work is complete ********. Some mechs are just better, for a variety reasons, and some mechs will never be particularly good. A skilled pilot can make anything work to a degree, but when faced with an equally skilled pilot they will, invariably, be outclassed by a the pilot in the better mech.

[KahnWongFuChung]

Nyte Kitsune said (It's the pilot that makes a mech OP)

If you were talking about MechWarrior4 Mercenaries the best MechWarrior game of this IP series I would agree with you but not MWO .

This game MWO is so un-fun compared to the older PC MechWarrior games its crazy the older MechWarrior games it was 80% pilot skill and 20% mech and load out MWO is just the opposite 80% mech and load out and 20% pilot skill.

So please don't say it takes a lot of skill for a noob to jump in a Kodiak and not get kills regardless of the fact he is almost skill deficient.

Edited by Procurator Derek, 22 June 2016 - 03:20 PM.

[zagibu]

Nyte Kitsune, on 22 June 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

You keep saying it's the mech that makes you good

Exactly when did I say this? All I said is that the original poster is wrong, and his logical conclusion that because he can't do well in certain mechs, it must mean that they are not OP, is a fallacy.

[Johnny Z]

Funny. I just made a reply earlier today how some of the players that act like they are good on these forums are actually really bad. That's why they make replies as if they have never played this game before.

So happy to have my point proven so soon.

[Belacose]

cazidin, on 22 June 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:

Shh... don't tell PGI or they might nerf me in the next patch while giving Babycakes a buff. Also. I think they need to hotfix Procurator Derek back to Scout Derek. That change was worse than the new Mini Map.

BabyCakes doesn't need a nerf as he's back on his newly shrunken SplatCat.

Now his friend on the other hand...
http://mwomercs.com/...73#entry5244073

[PhoenixFire55]

Deathlike, on 22 June 2016 - 02:38 PM, said:

Pilots make most of the mech, but the mechs themselves force a limit to what you can do.

There will still be bad pilots as there will still be bad mechs.

True. But the fun thing is that people complain about some mechs being too good / too bad and devs are *cough *cough trying to *cough balance them based on that. When balancing is being done based on the metrics from unbalanced playerbase it is pointless and silly.

I don't think anyone would argue that we shouldn't balance players and equalize their skill. Why should we balance mechs then? They aren't supposed to be balanced as is in the first place. I.e. UrbanMech sux, but you could get at least a dozen of em for the price of one Clan heavy etc. Oh Repair & Rearm how I miss you and all the tears of ALRM users ...

[davoodoo]

Find me 2 pilots with reasonably equal skill.
Put 1 in warhawk and the other in stk 4n.
Or orion vs tbr

Ill grab a popcorn...

These pairs clearly shows differences in mech power and they are both same weight.
Op mech wont make you automatically win, but it will give you an advantage and the better you get the more important even smallest advantages become.

And **** i could use your argument to justify blatant pay2win.
"look this clearly superior mech over here isnt pay2win, pilot might suck and it will be balanced".

Edited by davoodoo, 23 June 2016 - 02:04 AM.