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[DivBy0]

PGI must know what a stupid piece of ******** [Long Tom] is. They must have the date but take no care of it. And I am sure that a great mayority of the player hate it and many stopped playing FP at all.
This is the second event which is ruined by the worst Game-Design-Error ever. Why must his happen? Why must this great game suffer by such a stupid thing as throwing nearly random A-Bombs on the mechs?

Have anyone an idea how we can convince PGI to fix [Long Tom] or, better, to get rid of it?

Edited by draiocht, 09 July 2016 - 08:28 AM.
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[Appogee]

Just Scout more.

Honestly, it's not hard.

[DivBy0]

Player like you are part of the problem.
Your solution is not to play invasion mode and not to play against Long Dumb?
Terrible clever...

Edited by von Haudegen, 30 June 2016 - 03:02 PM.

[Carl Vickers]

von Haudegen, on 30 June 2016 - 02:58 PM, said:

Player like you are part of the problem.
Your solution is not to play invasion mode and not to play against Long Dumb?
Terrible clever...

Actually the problem is People like yourself who moan when the going gets a little tough.

BTW, I actually agree that LT is a mini nuke but whining about it doesnt fix anything, you have options to get around LT and not have to face it.

Edited by Procurator Derek, 30 June 2016 - 03:58 PM.
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[McHoshi]

More Scouting = Less [Long Tom]


... and btw. there´s a tactic against [Long Tom] which works just perfect.

Edited by draiocht, 09 July 2016 - 08:31 AM.
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[Darth Hotz]

Carl Vickers, on 30 June 2016 - 03:37 PM, said:

Actually the problem is whiney babies like yourself who moan when the going gets a little tough.

BTW, I actually agree that LT is a mini nuke but whining about it doesnt fix anything, you have options to get around LT and not have to face it.

Just answered a call to arms. Mixed pug team. First strike of Long Tom killed a Mauler, a King Crab and 2x Atlas all at 100%. Overall Long Tom killed 40 of 48 mechs. I think this is more than "a little tough"...

Edited by Procurator Derek, 30 June 2016 - 03:58 PM.
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[Count Zero 74]

more scouting = faster long tom for clanners

Can't stop the seals from scouting during the event.

P.s. Falcons didn't even need 2 hours to get it last ataclk phase.

Edited by Count Zero 74, 30 June 2016 - 03:50 PM.

[Carl Vickers]

Funnily enough the only peeps whinging about LT in here and 12th DG.

Show some spirit guys, you are organised, start dropping 4 mans and show them what you can do, except whining that is.

[McHoshi]

Count Zero 74, on 30 June 2016 - 03:49 PM, said:

more scouting = faster long tom for clanners

Can't stop the seals from scouting during the event.

P.s. Falcons didn't even need 2 hours to get it last ataclk phase.

Ok... just scout if you got at least a three men group on ts ( better 4 ) and bring the right mechs to scout-mode.

[Count Zero 74]

and in the time we win one match half a dozen pug teams lose, so why bother ?

[DivBy0]

Let me guess, you have nothing intelligent ot say but like to insult people and post stupid statements?

There are many threads, new and old about this topics. When you are able to read... do it (no problem when your are a little slow at reading... you have time).

Carl Vickers, on 30 June 2016 - 03:54 PM, said:

Funnily enough the only peeps whinging about LT in here and 12th DG.

Show some spirit guys, you are organised, start dropping 4 mans and show them what you can do, except whining that is.

Edited by von Haudegen, 30 June 2016 - 04:17 PM.

[Carl Vickers]

Count Zero 74, on 30 June 2016 - 03:56 PM, said:

and in the time we win one match half a dozen pug teams lose, so why bother ?

As a former Wolf loyalist I do understand that Count and feel your pain, how many players does 12th DG have?

Start making use of your experienced resources and stop moaning, it actually doesnt do your unit any favors.

[Count Zero 74]

how many players that play CW more than once or twice a week ? 20 max I'd say

And btw, If you didn't realize I stopped moaning and started trolling a long time ago
I find that whole long tom/scouting thing incredibly funny now, thats some first class game design if I ever saw some.

Edited by Count Zero 74, 30 June 2016 - 04:03 PM.

[Count Zero 74]

I you promise not to tell I'll let u know my big secret ! Everytime I want to scout I switch to my Clan account

[Carl Vickers]

Count Zero 74, on 30 June 2016 - 04:01 PM, said:

how many players that play CW more than once or twice a week ? 20 max I'd say

Does make it hard when your unit is not that active. Perhaps have a chat to the guys at HHOD if they are still with Steiner and start co-ordinating with them to get numbers in the scouting queue.

[Count Zero 74]

Carl Vickers, on 30 June 2016 - 04:07 PM, said:

Does make it hard when your unit is not that active. Perhaps have a chat to the guys at HHOD if they are still with Steiner and start co-ordinating with them to get numbers in the scouting queue.

Nah, no worries. Everyone knows us Steiners are to scared to defend and you need no scouting to attack and farm puggies. We're good here

Edited by Count Zero 74, 30 June 2016 - 04:09 PM.

[xX PUG Xx]

I'm actually going to step up and state that (as far as I'm concerned) Long Tom is TERRIBLE for a PvP environment. Regardless of whether a faction is actively scouting to achieve or deny it's activation, the fact that the players it affects have no control over whether it is or isn't deployed during their match means they are victims not players.

Yes, once the LT has been activated the sensible option for any player on the receiving end is to stop playing the Invasion mode and spam the Scout mode until it is deactivated or (more likely) the Invasion defenders dry up and the attackers ghost drop the planet to 100% anyway.

However the reality is that PuG/solo/Freelancer players will continue to answer the Call-to-arms for the Invasion defence, to then face the might of the mini tactical nuke, AKA Long Tom. Then they will either come to the forum and complain loudly (I hope) about how unfair the system is. Or more likely, will simply not drop in FP again and for the true casual players with no real vested interest in the IP, simply uninstall.

It is THAT bad of a game mechanic in my eyes.

I am a gamer, I play games to have fun and having some RNG uber weapon either kill me or a swaith of enemies is NOT fun. I would rather know I lost or won due to my enemies or my own skill (or lack of ). The current representation is the TT equivalent of your kid brother randomly throwing bricks onto the table every two minutes, amusing the first time but induces monumental rage very quickly.

Edited by xX PUG Xx, 30 June 2016 - 05:28 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Carl Vickers, on 30 June 2016 - 03:37 PM, said:

Actually the problem is whiney babies like yourself who moan when the going gets a little tough.

BTW, I actually agree that LT is a mini nuke but whining about it doesnt fix anything, you have options to get around LT and not have to face it.

Bad answer is bad. You and I both know that scouting on pug vs pug bad v bad hugely favors clans.

People play games because they are fun. If scouting isn't fun, people don't play it. When that results in Invasion not being fun they don't play that either. If this situation was reversed there would be no Clan players and all mercs would be IS. If Scout tonnage was 45 tons or less, same thing. Clans wouldn't show, LT bad, etc.

It's easy to say "put up with it and play anyway" when it's broken in your favor. I can drop scouting for several hours in a 4man and lose only a couple of matches but we still lose scouting because bad IS pugs in LPL locusts face tanking 4 skillcrows fail faster than I can win matches.

It's broken, the guy disadvantaged by it being broken doesn't want to play until it's fixed. That's perfectly legit. Not everyone wants to just run scouting all night.

Tell you what - make Scouting 45 tons. BJ vs Fridge, Oxide and Jenner 2s. If it goes suddenly the other way you'll show up to get LTed every match and call for all your pugs to do the same?

Broken mechanics shaft everyone. Get them fixed.

[Gone_Till_November]

Yeah long tom sucks from either side, giving or receiving.

Edited by Aldo1Raine, 30 June 2016 - 04:33 PM.

[Carl Vickers]

Got me there Mischiefsc. Whilst your answer is correct in taking what I said at face value the spirit of what I said means something else.

Let the bads complain off the field and let the good do what they do good on the field.