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[Weeny Machine]

KHETTI, on 25 July 2016 - 09:33 PM, said:

I'm not buying for 2 reasons
1. I currently don't play.
2. i'm doubting MWO will see the year through.

No. 2 for me. If you are honest, there are hardly any noteworthy changes to gameplay, and zero when it comes to actual content.

The decals and caches just show that PGI is milking the game for what it is worth...(just replace Obama with Russ)

Edited by Bush Hopper, 26 July 2016 - 07:10 AM.

[ice trey]

Not straight away.

But I've still got mechs left over from my resistance packs that haven't seen their first matches yet. I'm still not finished my Marauders, Warhammers, or Archers.

I want to get Phoenix Hawks and Cyclopses, but I plan to use C-bills. Like I said, my backlog is huge. I'll get to them eventually.

[Valdarion Silarius]

I would still consider a second line IIC pack that I've suggested over and over. However, I'm even hesitant about doing that now after the brutal Kodiak nerf that was extremely unnecessary. Why should I buy a mech if they are just gonna nerf the crap out of it a month later?

I'd rather pay real money to fund PGI a small group of play testers for quality control than another mech pack in all honesty.

[Agent1190]

Sagamore, on 25 July 2016 - 05:34 PM, said:

I'm lamenting the new business model of single mech packs. I bought all the other top tier IS packs ($80 Phoenix, $80 resistance I and $80 resistance II). I had $80 earmarked for another big pack around Christmas time but will not likely buy a single chassis pack. I know I'm not alone in this but a lot of people seem to think the new single mech system is better.

Not sure how the new pricing model is different:

Viper Standard Pack: $20
Night Gyr Standard Pack: $20
Huntsman Standard Pack: $20
Linebacker Standard Pack: $20

You get 120 days premium time, 4 camos (1 unlocked for each mech), 8 modules, plus a variety of warhorns and hanging items.

Or, if you prefer IS:
Marauder Standard Pack: $20
Warhammer Standard Pack: $20
Archer Standard Pack: $20
Rifleman Standard Pack: $20

Same goodies.

There's your $80 mech pack, you just get it 3 mechs at a time.

Don't understand why you "lament" the new pricing model. It's MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE PLAYER than the old 4-packs. It's only more expensive if you want early access to the reinforcements instead of waiting for their CBill release. The Heros are actually a good deal at $15 - yer not buying a heavy or assault hero for $15 of MC unless there's a sale. Plus, this model lets you skip the ****** mechs - I'd have loved it if I could have saved money and bought the Clan Wave 2 package sans Mist Lynx. If I wanted to buy three a la cart, it would have been more than the $120 package! Yes, Clan 4-packs were $120 for 4 mechs, so these new single-Mech packs are a steal!

I could understand if you felt the Mechs were undesirable (I thought that way about the Rifleman) and that's why you weren't purchasing, but to complain about the pricing structure WHEN IT'S THE SAME OVER ALL COST FOR 12 MECHS is ridiculous. $20 for three Mechs was basically what you were paying before when you bought the resistance 1/2 4-pack for $80.

I guess lamenting is easier than math though...

Edited by Agent1190, 26 July 2016 - 09:26 AM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Sagamore, on 25 July 2016 - 05:34 PM, said:

I'm lamenting the new business model of single mech packs. I bought all the other top tier IS packs ($80 Phoenix, $80 resistance I and $80 resistance II). I had $80 earmarked for another big pack around Christmas time but will not likely buy a single chassis pack. I know I'm not alone in this but a lot of people seem to think the new single mech system is better.

People who like the new plan are those who don't play lights or mediums as the heavy and assaults were only in the top tier packs before.

[Spleenslitta]

I'm not buying mech packs because of the following.

- Lack of maps.
- The current heat system is boring. i don't mind the ghostheat at all actually, but why don't our mechs get more sluggish the higher the heat is like in the lore?
- Waiting to see how the new energy system works before making any further investments.
- Few gamemodes. I refuse to acknowledge FP as a gamemode because of the badly made maps...and the looong waiting times is nasty too.

[Moldur]

None of the current ones interest me at $20 for one reason or another. One of the contributing factors is that the heavy queue is horrendous to the point where I don't really play heavies that often to begin with. None of the mechs in the pipeline are going to be head over heels better and different than anything currently, most likely. Yeah sure, each mech will add some variety, but honestly, how different can this game get just by piloting a slightly different mech? Whatever these new mechs bring is not going to make a difference to me by my tenth match in them.

[CK16]

And how do you expect PGI pay for all these extras? Sell map packs that only those who paid can lay on for 5 or 6 months? Or "fixed" package? Tell me how these can fund themselves? Answer they can't, you need mech packs to have any hope at getting everything else into the game.

[Angel of Annihilation]

I think buying a mech pack needs to be put into perspective.

Right now I have been really bored waiting for No Man’s Sky to finally release so needed something go occupy me until Aug 9^th. I haven’t played MWO for quite some time and there were a ton of new mechs. I jumped in, bought the Viper Basic + Hero and the Kodiak Basic + Hero which cost me $70. For that $70, I have been playing non-stop since July 19^th and have played probably 40+ hours. Additionally I can’t wait to go home and play some more.

Point is, I have spent $50-$60 on AAA titles that I have quit or finished with only 20-30 hours played registered. That being the case from a value perspective, I am getting a hell of a lot of entertainment value for my money and it doesn’t matter if the game fails a year from now or even if they nerf these mech to oblivion in a month because I have already had over 40 hours of fun and entertainment out of them.

Now don’t get me wrong, I am absolutely frustrated by PGI’s “balancing” as I have a Dragonslayer and a Heavy Metal that are absolutely worthless to me because I bought the specifically due to them being very mobile Assaults with extremely good jump capability (Heavy Metal used to have like a 60m jump distance when I bought it). They just aren’t the mechs I spent good money on and I would absolutely not even be considering buying them today and this makes it hard to justify spending any more money on the game. But as I said, it is perspective because even though those mechs kind of feel like wasted money, I still got many, many hours of enjoyment out of playing them.

So basically if you look at things more short term and compare what you’re are spending against other forms of entertainment you have spent similar amounts on, the value is still likely there.

[Moldur]

CK16, on 26 July 2016 - 09:42 AM, said:

And how do you expect PGI pay for all these extras? Sell map packs that only those who paid can lay on for 5 or 6 months? Or "fixed" package? Tell me how these can fund themselves? Answer they can't, you need mech packs to have any hope at getting everything else into the game.

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How do I expect PGI to pay for things? The same way as any other business. If they fail to get people's money, then they don't have money. How dare we not throw money at PGI? Listen to yourself. The responsibility of running their business is on them. There is nothing complicated about the situation.

Their store has nothing I want to buy, so I'm not buying anything.

[Cappy]

CK16, on 26 July 2016 - 09:42 AM, said:

And how do you expect PGI pay for all these extras? Sell map packs that only those who paid can lay on for 5 or 6 months? Or "fixed" package? Tell me how these can fund themselves? Answer they can't, you need mech packs to have any hope at getting everything else into the game.

They also could have finished the game before releasing it, but they didn't, so here we are. The issue is that the only thing of significance they release are mech packs. Nobody is saying "stop releasing mech packs" they are saying that they need tangible proof that this game's heading somewhere before they will spend more on said packs. But I guess that's why you're straw manning the argument as opposed to directly refuting points people actually made.

PGI has had more than enough time to develop this game into something more than a contextless deathmatch arena. They have not. This game is not even HALF of what they said it would be before CB.

Edited by Cappy, 26 July 2016 - 10:08 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

MWO is one of the best games I've ever played, but I'm not buying more mech packs for a while.

It's mostly because:

• PGI isn't telling us enough about what's coming. This kills my interest in investing further and makes me suspicious that they're taking resources away from MWO and putting it into new games, like the Transverse fiasco.
  
• Even if PGI did tell us about upcoming Solaris, PVE, Infotech and other features, I'm not convinced there's any good reason to actually spend more money. After all... I already have a million mechs. Why do I need more mechs? It would be different if PGI added a whole new layer to the game, like Aerospace warfare or dropships or tanks, and I had to pay to get some of those brand new units early. Or mechs with melee weapons. I'd pay for an Axman or a katana-wielding Hatamoto-Chi, probably. But why pay for more regular mechs when there's 300 of them in the game already? Do they really offer a completely new experience? I don't think so.

[Mudhutwarrior]

There are a few mechs I would buy right now with MC. Ones I already leveled but sold to buy others. Mech packs? Maybe as i have in the past. I have 10 open mech bays as it stands.

What is stopping me is PGI's flat refusal to engage past silly propaganda ideas like the council and now the roundtable.

Everything they want to know is here. Everything. But lets be honest they don't care. To them we are mushrooms with money to spend.

Would I like to be engaged this winter with this game. Absolutely . I love the game but hate the implementation.

[Zolaz]

I wish that PGI put out some content that I thought was good. Everytime PGI says they are going to "fix" something I used to cringe. Now I just realize that I cant invest any emotions into this game. Train wreck after train wreck with no one coming along to pick up the pieces.

But hey ... you can always buy a mech pack.

[Cappy]

Those of us who have been here since day 1 already know where this particular train is headed: no where, and honestly, at this point, PGI can talk all the want, have as many roundtables as they want, but until they actually produce something, it's all just getting filed under "B" for ********.

Russ being a general PR nightmare recently certainly hasn't helped. I get it. Resentment is a two way street and he's faced his fair share of (often, but not always) undue flak. But the bottom line remains: This game has been out for a long time. We have seen virtually no progress in terms of the game becoming what were sold on it being. It doesn't take a developer to understand that when you see no significant progress in four years, then it is unlikely to ever change.

I'm not even trying to be mean or pessimistic, MWO isn't even a bad game for what currently is there, it's just not enough. I (and I suspect a great many here also) would have much rather bought a complete Mechwarrior 5 for 80 bucks than have this f2p business.

Edited by Cappy, 26 July 2016 - 02:11 PM.

[davoodoo]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 26 July 2016 - 09:28 AM, said:

People who like the new plan are those who don't play lights or mediums as the heavy and assaults were only in the top tier packs before.

https://mwomercs.com/viper
https://mwomercs.com/phoenix-hawk
https://mwomercs.com/huntsman
https://mwomercs.com/urbanmech
80$ 120 days premium + early adopter rewards if you bought them.

**** me if those are not mediums and light.

It doesnt matter which specific mechs you want to play, if they are sold at 20$ a pop you can choose 4 mechs of your favorite weight class.

Edited by davoodoo, 26 July 2016 - 02:14 PM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

davoodoo, on 26 July 2016 - 02:12 PM, said:

https://mwomercs.com/viper
https://mwomercs.com/phoenix-hawk
https://mwomercs.com/huntsman
https://mwomercs.com/urbanmech
80$ 120 days premium + early adopter rewards if you bought them.

**** me if those are not mediums and light.

It doesnt matter which specific mechs you want to play, if they are sold at 20$ a pop you can choose 4 mechs of your favorite weight class.

No, I mean people who don't play the lights and mediums in the bundles are the ones who are happiest with the new pricing.

[davoodoo]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 26 July 2016 - 02:21 PM, said:

No, I mean people who don't play the lights and mediums in the bundles are the ones who are happiest with the new pricing.

Why, if they wanted only lights in previous system they got for 40$, 1 medium and 1 light and if they wanted only medium they had to also buy light.
Also for that 40$ they got merely 7 days of premium while now you get 60 days.

It benefitted everyone equally.

Even if you wanted all 4 mechs in a pack it was still a worse deal than 4 packs now.

Edited by davoodoo, 26 July 2016 - 02:28 PM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

davoodoo, on 26 July 2016 - 02:27 PM, said:

Why, if they wanted only lights in previous system they got for 40$, 1 medium and 1 light and if they wanted only medium they had to also buy light.
Also for that 40$ they got merely 7 days of premium while now you get 60 days.

It benefitted everyone equally.

Even if you wanted all 4 mechs in a pack it was still a worse deal than 4 packs now.

Unless you count the cbill bonus on a variant of each mech and the colors and the faction camo, etc.

[davoodoo]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 26 July 2016 - 02:33 PM, said:

Unless you count the cbill bonus on a variant of each mech and the colors and the faction camo, etc.

6.5mil, modules, camo 30 extra days and choice of mechs.

no 30% bonus but i think this makes up for it.

Edited by davoodoo, 26 July 2016 - 02:38 PM.