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[Brizna]

Shooting down UAVs. Yes seriously, it is. You are a bit of a coward, you are making your team mate's put forward all their armor so you can fire unchallenged, you may think your job is firing at mechs, and while we brawlers and people who try to carry your team appreciate fire support we need you to shot down UAVs more than that, we can not shot that which is above our heads. You being back there is an excellent opportunity to help us out of tight spot, please do, above anything else you are doing back there..., please don't let the people who are offering their armor to the enemy team so you can comfortably snipe die to LURMS just because you are too busy scraping enemy mech's armor from 800 meters; Thanks!!

[ScrapIron Prime]

More specifically, a snipers job is to control the enemy team. They limit their options by forcing them into cover and deprive them of Intel by shooting down UAVs. Make them hesitate, make them blind, buy your team time.

[MechWarrior319348]

I spend a lot of time sniping, and I put a lot of effort into shooting down uav's.

My purpose is to give you an edge in an individual battle. I want you to have more of a chance then the other guy, so I hurt him from afar.

In a trench warfare scenario, I can wear down the enemy's armor.

The important thing to note is that snipers are engaged in a separate battle so to speak. They are constantly fighting other snipers.

[InspectorG]

Since most snipers in MWO can't one shot anything the main job is making reds keep their heads down or punishing those who peek. UAV duty as well. I'm talking about Puglandia. Not sure if groups even use snipers as a role.

[process]

Assault tenderizers are also appreciated.

[mogs01gt]

Brizna, on 09 August 2016 - 06:22 AM, said:

Shooting down UAVs. Yes seriously, it is. You are a bit of a coward, you are making your team mate's put forward all their armor so you can fire unchallenged, you may think your job is firing at mechs, and while we brawlers and people who try to carry your team appreciate fire support we need you to shot down UAVs more than that, we can not shot that which is above our heads. You being back there is an excellent opportunity to help us out of tight spot, please do, above anything else you are doing back there..., please don't let the people who are offering their armor to the enemy team so you can comfortably snipe die to LURMS just because you are too busy scraping enemy mech's armor from 800 meters; Thanks!!

this!!

shoot down the damn uavs!

[WarPickle]

Snipers are not cowards... are you butt hurt because they kill you? The real cowards are the brawlers that hide behind obstacles and try to snipe with their med lasers from 500-600 out never attempting to close the gap until the coward snipers and lurmers wear down the enemy with their fire.... then they come to the forums and make threads calling long range cowards and a waste.. when in fact without them they would never close the gaps with their mechs to even get in the fight...

On a little side note, I have no snipers in my mechbay... just sick of whiney little babies telling other players that their playstyle is all wrong... I said it before there are roles to play in each of the classes.. you get butt hurt by the long range support role maybe you should go play minecraft...

also everyone should shoot down uavs when able not just snipers... you can't tell me when you are hiding behind your rock you can't pop out to shoot at them

Edited by WarPickle, 09 August 2016 - 07:40 AM.

[Dawnstealer]

The best is getting nailed in the back by a teammate "sniper" trying to shoot the enemy you're engaged with.

[Precentor Ward]

WarPickle, on 09 August 2016 - 07:39 AM, said:

Snipers are not cowards... are you butt hurt because they kill you? The real cowards are the brawlers that hide behind obstacles and try to snipe with their med lasers from 500-600 out never attempting to close the gap until the coward snipers and lurmers wear down the enemy with their fire.... then they come to the forums and make threads calling long range cowards and a waste.. when in fact without them they would never close the gaps with their mechs to even get in the fight...

On a little side note, I have no snipers in my mechbay... just sick of whiney little babies telling other players that their playstyle is all wrong... I said it before there are roles to play in each of the classes.. you get butt hurt by the long range support role maybe you should go play minecraft...

also everyone should shoot down uavs when able not just snipers... you can't tell me when you are hiding behind your rock you can't pop out to shoot at them

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[dervishx5]

Snipers are not cowards. They're just bad at playing on a team.

Unless everyone else on their team is sniping, they will lose against a good team every time. A single sniper can be avoided or focused down.

IE, lone snipers are more or less useless in competitive play. They do not contribute to trading armor and remove 1/12th of the team's ability to spread damage.

In the free for all with no coordination they can rack up impressive scores but that's the extent of their use.

[Precentor Ward]

dervishx5, on 09 August 2016 - 09:04 AM, said:

Snipers are not cowards. They're just bad at playing on a team.

I'm glad you're on side, good to have you (▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿)

[Edustaja]

dervishx5, on 09 August 2016 - 09:04 AM, said:

IE, lone snipers are more or less useless in competitive play.

I don't know the competition scene at this very moment, but at least during MRBC 3 having solitary twin gauss sniper mech was utilized to a good effect by a lot of teams.

[dervishx5]

Edustaja, on 09 August 2016 - 09:16 AM, said:

I don't know the competition scene at this very moment, but at least during MRBC 3 having solitary twin gauss sniper mech was utilized to a good effect by a lot of teams.

Well, 1, look to the teams that won their division. 2, look at evolving tactics.

I think you're right in that a lot of teams used to have that one sniper that ran around and picked people off, but then the game became more about the MIGHTY BUNDLE and the lone sniper theory died.

Yeah he/she (but let's face reality, he) might be able to kill one or two mechs, but with his whole team evaporating in under a minute, he'd be left facing the majority of the enemy team. Meanwhile if he were there to help them he could have made the difference.

Edited by dervishx5, 09 August 2016 - 09:23 AM.

[Khereg]

Snipers get a lot of grief, some it well deserved.

My view is that if you're sniping, you better be shooting constantly - and I mean CONSTANTLY (within the limits of your heat capacity, of course).

You're generally in the back and not sharing armor. If you're positioned correctly, you have a view of the enemy team at a range that favors your trades. If you can actually draw some fire in your direction, all the better for your team since that's enemy heat directed away from your main force. If you find yourself unable to see several targets at once, you're not sniping very well. The only justification for the trade-off of not sharing armor with the team is that you are constantly laying down fire.

Also, do the extra's, like taking out UAV's, calling targets, etc as mentioned n the OP. All you're doing is aiming an shooting, so do the secondary team stuff as well.

Most people I see "sniping" are actually doing more hiding than shooting. That isn't even good play, much less good team play.

Play the style if you want (I do on rare occasions), but do it right.

[Roughneck45]

A snipers job is to be accurate and put targets down with a high alpha.

It's everyone's job to shoot down UAVs, specifically people with arm mounted lasers.

[Big Tin Man]

The only kind of sniping I'm ok with in pug/small group play is a ECM light that is poking them from the side/behind with the sole intention of getting 2-4 mechs to chase the squirrel. I've done this to great effect. Poke 3 mechs, get them to turn and chase, toss up a UAV to confirm they're committed to the chase, then get on VOIP and tell the deathball to push in hard as they have the numbers.

Beyond that, all other pug match snipers can DIAGF.

[WANTED]

I have a dual Gauss jäger that I use mostly in FW since quick play maps are to small. I find it funny that I get the most anger from people in drops when they see me sniping. If I don't have 10 kills they think I did nothing. In fact, I don't get many kills sniping cause I open up an area and the closer guys get the kill. But none of this is seen or represented. Yes snipers in all games get a bad rap for not being in the middle of the brawl. I tend to think certain maps with 1-2 snipers is a good thing in team FW. I have kept other snipers at bay and also taken off legs and such of fast clan mechs. Therefore I won't hate on the sniper player. In game I mostly brawl , my whole deck right now is close in your face stuff. But when I do drop with the jäger, I find the most hostile reactions to the point that I just don't use it much it's so bad. It has a role if done well and that role may not show up in stats

[dervishx5]

WANTED, on 09 August 2016 - 09:41 AM, said:

I have a dual Gauss jäger that I use mostly in FW since quick play maps are to small. I find it funny that I get the most anger from people in drops when they see me sniping. If I don't have 10 kills they think I did nothing. In fact, I don't get many kills sniping cause I open up an area and the closer guys get the kill. But none of this is seen or represented. Yes snipers in all games get a bad rap for not being in the middle of the brawl. I tend to think certain maps with 1-2 snipers is a good thing in team FW. I have kept other snipers at bay and also taken off legs and such of fast clan mechs. Therefore I won't hate on the sniper player. In game I mostly brawl , my whole deck right now is close in your face stuff. But when I do drop with the jäger, I find the most hostile reactions to the point that I just don't use it much it's so bad. It has a role if done well and that role may not show up in stats

If you're defending, fine. If you're attacking and doing a lot of damage, fine. But understand that attacking teams would prefer you to be taking hits alongside them because it increases their chances of survival and thus success.

[DaZur]

If it makes you feel any better... I average 3 to 4 UAVs a match. And I still find time to supress and more often than not, get at least 1 kill.

Good enough?

[ScrapIron Prime]

dervishx5, on 09 August 2016 - 10:34 AM, said:

If you're defending, fine. If you're attacking and doing a lot of damage, fine. But understand that attacking teams would prefer you to be taking hits alongside them because it increases their chances of survival and thus success.

NOT if the sniper is controlling the enemy movement. If he's forcing them to stick to cover, he's keeping fire off his team.

HOWEVER... where many snipers fail at their job is in being too static. Sniper sets up, controls a point, forces enemy into cover. But then the enemy adjusts and spends time to go another route, meanwhile the Sniper is still on that same point, providing over watch on a spot the enemy is no longer using. THAT is when the Sniper is failing to contribute.

A good Sniper has battlefield awareness and knows to relocate several times during the engagement so that he or she stays relevant.