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[Oderint dum Metuant]

Johnny Z, on 17 August 2016 - 05:00 AM, said:

Your saying you can take out a front right torso from the rear left with no lag? Funniest part was someone on my own team said nice shot in voice chat just to rub it in. Why do villains have to gloat? Nevermind I like to gloat to. A weakness.

If your in a marauder or a few others with strange hiboxes.

[Johnny Z]

Oderint dum Metuant, on 17 August 2016 - 05:37 AM, said:

If your in a marauder or a few others with strange hiboxes.

It was a Raven and I did correct myself saying it could have been a strange lag spike.

Fact is this happens to often. Lag spikes instantly taking my mech out or blatant botters and other hacks possibly as well.

Its no coincidence there is a cheat topic today. Like I already said the troll brigade was out in force last night.

Edited by Johnny Z, 17 August 2016 - 05:41 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Mudhutwarrior, on 17 August 2016 - 05:11 AM, said:

And now the call for censorship. Police union playbook.

Hows that working out for them?

Mudhutwarrior lives matter.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Is there cheating? Absolutely, but being in the top 50 players is a laughable way of trying to detect cheaters.

SirFerret, on 17 August 2016 - 04:13 AM, said:

If anyone playing says otherwise, I would consider them immediately suspect, since they are likely using some sort of aid as well.

That is a pretty disgusting way to handle dissenting opinions.

[xWiredx]

Yeah, like I said, I've been accused of aimbotting during the event, had another guy try to accuse an enemy of being an aimbotter by repeatedly asking me if I got headshot, and every time I've been in the top 50 in an event I've been accused of cheating in one way or another.

I've never used even a firing macro let alone an aimbot. I'm a whale. People in this thread are saying that the following 2 criteria guarantee detection of cheating: in the top 50, whale. That's ignorant. Further, as I said before, I've been in matches with a lot of these guys in the top 50 for various assault chassis in the mere 20-ish matches I was able to get in this weekend. I saw no evidence of aimbotting. Just people getting killed early and then claiming it was hacks.

That isn't to say nobody is cheating. There has been video evidence in the past, surely if somebody is cheating now there will be video evidence of it again. The proper place to send that evidence is PGI support, and eventually they will probably do something about it.

[Jehofi]

Mudhutwarrior, on 17 August 2016 - 05:29 AM, said:

Hope is for those already defeated. I have no hope but am sure innocence exists even today. Your masters want you to believe there is no innocence because they day you do is the day they have one more.

A small mind is easily filled with faith.

Edited by Jehofi, 17 August 2016 - 05:46 AM.

[Johnny Z]

xWiredx, on 17 August 2016 - 05:41 AM, said:

Yeah, like I said, I've been accused of aimbotting during the event, had another guy try to accuse an enemy of being an aimbotter by repeatedly asking me if I got headshot, and every time I've been in the top 50 in an event I've been accused of cheating in one way or another.

I've never used even a firing macro let alone an aimbot. I'm a whale. People in this thread are saying that the following 2 criteria guarantee detection of cheating: in the top 50, whale. That's ignorant. Further, as I said before, I've been in matches with a lot of these guys in the top 50 for various assault chassis in the mere 20-ish matches I was able to get in this weekend. I saw no evidence of aimbotting. Just people getting killed early and then claiming it was hacks.

That isn't to say nobody is cheating. There has been video evidence in the past, surely if somebody is cheating now there will be video evidence of it again. The proper place to send that evidence is PGI support, and eventually they will probably do something about it.

This topic is about botters, not the farming going on in group queue.

[Marmon Rzohr]

SirFerret, on 17 August 2016 - 04:13 AM, said:

So, from what I've seen during this event, probably the top 50 or so players are [Redacted] in virtually every match. My question to PGI is, are these people going to be disqualified, since you obviously cannot detect the hacks they are using? [Redacted]

If you're not going to disqualify these idiots, why do you even have these events? There is virtually no way for any reasonable player to get an overall 10 game score of 3600 or better without some sort of aid due to the nature of the game. If anyone playing says otherwise, I would consider them immediately suspect, since they are likely using some sort of aid as well.

Looking forward to PGI's response to this one.

Your assertion is a bit ballsy.

To get such match scores you don't need hacks of any kind. You just need good enough aim (MWO is not a very aim heavy game), very good situational awareness and positioning (both of which hacks don't help you all that much with) and a lot of games played so you can gather enough super carry games for your top 10.

Now quite apart from the fact that some of the players on top of the leaderboards are definitely NOT cheaters, the fact is that most of the banned players in the first wave were extremely mediocre or plain bad players.

Now if you think you see cheaters, there are several types of free recording programs that aren't that harmful to game performance, download them and record the games. If you get video evidence, it will get people banned - it's happened before.

The general things you want to look out for are:

1) very difficult laser shots that track only one component perfecty (it's always the CT because it makes no sense for the aimbot to track any other component - headshotting people with lasers would get you noticed far too quickly). Or very difficult shots in general that hit only one component. **

2) the crosshair "snapping" to targets fast, but never overshooting

3) players who are otherwise mediocre or bad but demonstrate incredible aim

**the reason I specifically mention lasers is that MWO aimbots can't account of projectile travel time and they just plant the crosshair at a hitbox, AFAIK, meaning that it's more difficult to use with those types of weapons except at very short ranges or on stationary targets. That doesn't mean they won't be used - manyheatsinks a know cheater used CERPPCs and UAC10s in the videos of him cheating - it just means that you can notice aimbot with projectile weapons by looking for different things, mostly CONSISTENT too-quick-to-be-human snapshotting.

If you see all 3 or a blatant example of 1 and/or 2, report the player, save the recording of the match if you were recording it and upload it to youtube or somewhere so you can get other people to look at it as well so you can get a second opinion (and so more people will tweet and bug PGI about it if it turns out they are cheating)

Edited by draiocht, 17 August 2016 - 10:58 AM.
Quote Clean-Up

[Johnny Z]

Marmon Rzohr, on 17 August 2016 - 05:45 AM, said:

Your assertion is a bit ballsy.

To get such match scores you don't need hacks of any kind. You just need good enough aim (MWO is not a very aim heavy game), very good situational awareness and positioning (both of which hacks don't help you all that much with) and a lot of games played so you can gather enough super carry games for your top 10.

Now quite apart from the fact that some of the players on top of the leaderboards are definitely NOT cheaters, the fact is that most of the banned players in the first wave were extremely mediocre or plain bad players.

Now if you think you see cheaters, there are several types of free recording programs that aren't that harmful to game performance, download them and record the games. If you get video evidence, it will get people banned - it's happened before.

The general think you want to look out for are:

1) very difficult laser shots that track only one component perfecty (it's always the CT because it makes no sense for the aimbot to track any other component - headshotting people with lasers would get you noticed far too quickly). Or very difficult shots in general that hit only one component. **

2) the crosshair "snapping" to targets fast, but never overshooting

3) players who are otherwise mediocre or bad but demonstrate incredible aim

**the reason I specifically mention lasers is that MWO aimbots can't account of projectile travel time and they just plant the crosshair at a hitbox, AFAIK, meaning that it's more difficult to use with those types of weapons except at very short ranges or on stationary targets. That doesn't mean they won't be used - manyheatsinks a know cheater used CERPPCs and UAC10s in the videos of him cheating - it just means that you can notice aimbot with projectile weapons by looking for different things, mostly CONSISTENT too-quick-to-be-human snapshotting.

If you see all 3 or a blatant example of 1 and/or 2, report the player, save the recording of the match if you were recording it and upload it to youtube or somewhere so you can get other people to look at it as well so you can get a second opinion (and so more people will tweet and bug PGI about it if it turns out they are cheating)

Ignore this and have fun.

Let the counter cheats take care of it. If doing the above is fun go for it.

Cheats are trying to ruin the game. They will lie as well as cheat. Its a given.

[Davers]

Pointless arguments and finger pointing. This thread is the definition of non-constructive. If anyone knows or suspects cheating they should send a ticket to support and leave it there.

[Kasumi Sumika]

If you suspicious about Cheater, observe him/her, then make a proof like screenshots, Video. Then go ask to Support for more investigation from the Dev.

[Johnny Z]

Davers, on 17 August 2016 - 05:50 AM, said:

Pointless arguments and finger pointing. This thread is the definition of non-constructive. If anyone knows or suspects cheating they should send a ticket to support and leave it there.

Its not pointless its the guys that are going to get banned from last night trying to take legit players complaining about them with them......

[Marmon Rzohr]

Johnny Z, on 17 August 2016 - 05:49 AM, said:

Ignore this and have fun.

Let the counter cheats take care of it. If doing the above is fun go for it.

Cheats are trying to ruin the game. They will lie as well as cheat. Its a given.

I don't think you have the right attitude. It's important to point out how cheats work and how to spot them for 2 reasons:

1) It will lead to cheaters getting banned, making the game more fun
2) It will allow people to distinguish between suspected and real cheating, meaning they won't have to think everyone is a cheater and get frustrated.

It's NOT knowing these things that leads to OP's frustration.

[UnofficialOperator]

Forum battles are so much more entertaining than ingame play . Its like this IS the actual game.

[Johnny Z]

Marmon Rzohr, on 17 August 2016 - 05:54 AM, said:

I don't think you have the right attitude. It's important to point out how cheats work and how to spot them for 2 reasons:

1) It will lead to cheaters getting banned, making the game more fun
2) It will allow people to distinguish between suspected and real cheating, meaning they won't have to think everyone is a cheater and get frustrated.

It's NOT knowing these things that leads to OP's frustration.

Ok and my reply wasn't directed at the quote.

Cheating isn't hard to spot. If an experienced player thinks someone is cheating, 90% chance they are.

Being sure enough to perma ban is another thing and only pros can do that. I assume.

The closet cheats toggling their cheats on to secure a win are even harder to be sure of and those are the most numerous and toughest to perma ban.

Then there is the age old gang cheating so one of them gets hired to stop cheating.........

Edited by Johnny Z, 17 August 2016 - 06:01 AM.

[El Bandito]

Methinks many of those high scoring "cheaters" were actually intentionally fed by their unit members in group queue matches. While such tactic is not technically cheating, it is just as dishonorable. Allowing GQ in the leaderboards was a damn big mistake. One reason I stopped giving a damn about participating in it.

Edited by El Bandito, 17 August 2016 - 06:07 AM.

[Requiemking]

Marmon Rzohr, on 17 August 2016 - 05:54 AM, said:

I don't think you have the right attitude. It's important to point out how cheats work and how to spot them for 2 reasons:

1) It will lead to cheaters getting banned, making the game more fun
2) It will allow people to distinguish between suspected and real cheating, meaning they won't have to think everyone is a cheater and get frustrated.

It's NOT knowing these things that leads to OP's frustration.

Plus, there is also the fact that, in some cases, cheating can be detected with the leaderboard. Specifically, the Chassis leaderboards. Certain mechs can and will naturally get extremely high scores, such as LRMboating Stalkers and Awesome, as well as the Kodiak 3. However, it is suspect if a player on a leaderboard that has lower scores due to the nature of the mech in question, such as the Atlas leaderboard, is getting much higher than average scores. For example, the Atlas is primarily a Brawler, requiring you to get extremely close to do damage. If someone on the Atlas Leaderboard was somehow getting Kodiak-level scores, I might be a little suspicious about it.

[Johnny Z]

El Bandito, on 17 August 2016 - 06:02 AM, said:

Probably many of those high scoring "cheaters" were actually really fed by his unit members in group queue. Allowing GQ in the leaderboards was a damn big mistake. One reason I stopped giving a damn about participating in it.

Ageed. Its not even close to a legit competition at the moment sorry to say.

Can anyone give an example of the scores needed for the top Kodiak spot for example?

Edited by Johnny Z, 17 August 2016 - 06:04 AM.

[Dee Eight]

In a game (yes its been reported to PGI, fat lot of good that does) when a dire wolf walks into the basement of HPG, turns exactly to face me tucked into a corner, and one-shot removes my head with only a LBX10 & LBX20... and then does that to six more teammates.... oh yes....no cheaters using aimbot and wall exploits to know exactly where people are at all... I've had headshot deaths during this assault leaderboard in my new HGN-IIC-C also, which is even harder to do since it has EIGHT EXTRA POINTS of head armor....yet some clanner perfectly delivers 2 paired (so 4 total) ERLLs from 800 meters across the map without hitting any other part of my mech as i'm moving along at 55kph.. again...he just knows how to aim right? That's the answer I'm going to get. Holds 1.5 second duration lasers on a moving target from an oblique angle... and its just natural aim skill.

Edited by Dee Eight, 17 August 2016 - 06:19 AM.

[Requiemking]

Johnny Z, on 17 August 2016 - 06:03 AM, said:

Ageed. Its not even close to a legit competition at the moment sorry to say.

Can anyone give an example of the scores needed for the top Kodiak spot for example?

The current Kodiak high score is around 5.5 K. I'm assuming the person in question is using the KDK-3.