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[Blue Pheonix]

YourSaviorLegion, on 21 August 2016 - 10:35 PM, said:

It's not difficult to take out a light with a pinpoint weapon, it's called leading...

Maybe, but having a 100% CT hit rate with multiple hits against a strafing, constantly moving locust at 200+ meters with an AC 5 isn't hard? Too me it possible but suspicious.

Also, regularly hitting small lights at 200m to 500m is not hard but easy? Man, you are the man! Im not being facetous. If you actually have a high accuracy doing this and its easy, you are really really really good.

Edited by Blue Pheonix, 21 August 2016 - 10:53 PM.

[Blue Pheonix]

Lukoi Banacek, on 21 August 2016 - 10:43 PM, said:

There's nothing defensive about my post.

Simply pointing out that your incredible volume of games obviously merits statistical analysis to see if there's an increase in cheating going on, as you mention.

Or you could again, USE the tools given to you to post your suspicions to MWO's support channel. Or you could keep looking for boogeymen and posting about it here.

edit: you should probably stretch before you do all of that head shaking.

Right, looking for a boogymen.... again..... smh..... I'll take your advice and stretch first....

I already asked in a previous post what was needed so that I can record games. Or did you gloss over this previous post?

Its obvious I have no current equipment or software to record this at the moment. Its also obvious that this is just my observations at this moment. I would like to start eventually recording games so if it is indeed an issue, I can factually show it and hopefully it can be addressed accordingly. Maybe it isn't occurring at all. Maybe not a single person in this game has ever run an aim bot/cheat despite the fact there are currently multiple programs out there. Maybe there is not a single person running cheats in the thousands that play this game right at this moment. I don't know. That is the point of this thread; to see if anyone, who plays a reasonable amount of games every week, is noticing really suspicious things in the game, despite how frequent or rare it is.

1. Is anyone else seeing really suspicious things like what I posted in the OP?
2. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can start recording games?

Edited by Blue Pheonix, 21 August 2016 - 11:10 PM.

[RavenKnight86]

Blue Pheonix, on 21 August 2016 - 10:58 PM, said:

1. Is anyone else seeing really suspicious things like what I posted in the OP?
2. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can start recording games?

1, No, not really.
2. Download a free recording service, I use OBS.

[Blue Pheonix]

RavenKnight86, on 21 August 2016 - 11:04 PM, said:

1, No, not really.
2. Download a free recording service, I use OBS.

Ok, thank you. Is OBS short for something? Do I need any extra hardware?

[Lukoi Banacek]

RavenKnight86, on 21 August 2016 - 11:04 PM, said:

1, No, not really.
2. Download a free recording service, I use OBS.

OBS is great for this.

But ultimately, video proof isn't even really needed. PGI can see the telemetry from the matches in their databases well enough to see indicators of this alleged increase in hacker activity.

I imagine with the increase in players, there's an increase in cheating but proportionally it remains about the same. Which is to say, hardly prevalent at all.

[Blue Pheonix]

Lukoi Banacek, on 21 August 2016 - 11:07 PM, said:

OBS is great for this.

But ultimately, video proof isn't even really needed. PGI can see the telemetry from the matches in their databases well enough to see indicators of this alleged increase in hacker activity.

I imagine with the increase in players, there's an increase in cheating but proportionally it remains about the same. Which is to say, hardly prevalent at all.

Im on the OBS page now. Studio or classic?

[Peter2k]

This thread could be locked since its against the rules to talk about such things
Maybe posts have been vague enough on the issue

That being said

I joined in closed beta
In ~3500 matches I saw two occurrences that seemed impossible to pull off for me

One of those was at a time when we had 8 man groups in the solo que(since there only was one que)
The other one I think before the first wave of bans




Sigh
In this game It's hard to say
Sometimes hitreg is iffy
Some people play on oversized TV'S
Gauss has a rather fast projectile speed

But just to state a few things here
I like piloting lights and my shadow cats
During this event I dusted off my founders jenner with 4 mediums and 1 Artemis srm4
Still did rather great considering all the drawbacks (not enough boating mediums, big CT,...)
In a light like this 500 damage and up is to great to me

And I went with dual Gauss as my heavy of choice during this event

Just so someone understands I see it from both angles

Some lights thinking circling makes them hard to hit
Running in serpentine is somehow making you hard to hit

Look
I get it, I try it too in lights
But more importantly I'd think JJ are a bigger part of the equation (well too bad for Locusts of course)

Seeing a light going in circles at maybe 400 m
There's a point when the path of the circle that the light is running looks like a line from you're point of view (again, from further away)
Perfect time for 2 Gauss, at that range it's insta hit because of the travel speed

Or had a jenner do serpentine running away after realising it's too much for him to handle
With dual Gauss it's not difficult to line up the shot and insta killed him in the back

Edit:
Maybe something to keep in mind as well
Was under in HPG
Back to the wall from an entrance shooting targets with another assault next to me

Somehow I got a few ballistics register on my back and crit one of my Gauss
Again my back was to the wall, no one there
Ping of 105

Sometimes hitreg is iffy
Also I wonder if the light pilots are aware of all the shots going they're way and missing

Sigh

as far as we know PGI is looking
I think there have been 2 (or 3?) ban waves now

Personally I use shadow play from my GTX 780 to record if I want to

Edited by Peter2k, 22 August 2016 - 12:19 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

Yeah yeah ... everyone who is able to hit your Locust with anything is aimbotting. Blah blah blah, PGI plz ban, blah blah.

I'm playing MWO for 4 years. I'm yet to see a single aimbot.
All I can suggest is ... gitgud ffs.

[RavenKnight86]

PhoenixFire55, on 22 August 2016 - 12:34 AM, said:

Yeah yeah ... everyone who is able to hit your Locust with anything is aimbotting. Blah blah blah, PGI plz ban, blah blah.

I'm playing MWO for 4 years. I'm yet to see a single aimbot.
All I can suggest is ... gitgud ffs.

Were you not here for the first ban wave where a very well known player at the time was banned for aimbotting in a 1v1 tournament? I know it's not common place but it's exists rarely.

[PhoenixFire55]

RavenKnight86, on 22 August 2016 - 12:45 AM, said:

Were you not here for the first ban wave where a very well known player at the time was banned for aimbotting in a 1v1 tournament? I know it's not common place but it's exists rarely.

He was banned for wallhack, but please keep making up stories.

[RavenKnight86]

Hmm I thought I remember moderatepudding being banned for using both in a 1v1 tournament.

[Ghogiel]

Blue Pheonix, on 21 August 2016 - 09:16 PM, said:

Hi MWO community,

A few questions for you guys regarding Aim bots - cheating.

How common do you think it is for players in the MWO community to run "aim bots"?

Not that common. About 1 in every 100 games or so you've probably played against at least one player using the hack. You'll likely not have noticed it. It was probably higher after the steam launch, maybe some of those new players stuck around and just use the wallhack and not the aimbot, which is extremely hard to verify use of compared to aimassist.

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Do you think PGI has anything in place to spot this?

currently no. They completely rely on player submitted reports to flag players for investigation and they just don't have the man power catch players as they need to visibly verify there is cheating.

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Has there been any history to prove that they do something about it?

They did in fact catch the main programmer off guard with their initial detection and ban wave last year. He said that the game had no anti cheat for what was it 3+ years at the time and was a legitimate detection on PGIs part. It has since been patched and it is confirmed to be working and thus far undetectable since then. google and reddit it yourself because no one can really link to real talk about the state of the hack etc.

Edited by Ghogiel, 22 August 2016 - 02:39 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Just to remind everyone the leader of 66ah was considered a top dog and would come here and adamantly deny any shenanigans were going on.

He would follow me thread to thread and deny, ridicule and abuse with meme and asking for the thread to be moved to k-town.

Then he got caught, banned and later joined with a new account and they let him stay.

So don't be upset when I see so many outright denials and think to myself I will soon see them banned for cheating themselves.

Experience dictates the loudest deniers are hiding something.

[PhoenixFire55]

RavenKnight86, on 22 August 2016 - 02:20 AM, said:

Hmm I thought I remember moderatepudding being banned for using both in a 1v1 tournament.

Not both. This thread is gonna get nuked either way, but for the sake of future threads refrain from name-n-shame. We both know who we are talking about anyway.

[oldradagast]

They exist, though they are not common outside of top tiers (no knock on actual top tier folks, but if you can casually cheat to win, you'll end up in top tier because of that, not because of actual skill) and events with something on the line.

I've seen a few suspicious things over the years, but there was one game where an enemy was clearly using an aimbot of some sort. Nobody scores regular dual Gauss hits on cockpits with casual ease from over 0.5 km away on moving, twisting targets. Against me, he scored a headshot, a side torso hit, and then a second headshot for the kill (and, yes, I was moving at full speed towards cover, twisting, had full cockpit armor, etc.) and then repeated that process on another couple of team-mates. That's not skill - that's cheating.

As others have said, though, there's no evidence that much of anything is being done about this, though it thankfully is not very common, either.

RavenKnight86, on 22 August 2016 - 12:45 AM, said:

Were you not here for the first ban wave where a very well known player at the time was banned for aimbotting in a 1v1 tournament? I know it's not common place but it's exists rarely.

People love to deny reality. Up until that ban wave, we had no shortage of deniers around here, claiming that it was "impossible to cheat in MWO because the game is server-side" or some nonsense. They were, of course, completely wrong. Now, as time passes, they will conveniently forget those 64 public bans (and who knows how many others in private) and again claim that "nobody is cheating and you must just suck." It would be laughable were it not so transparent and pathetic.

Edited by oldradagast, 22 August 2016 - 03:09 AM.

[Ghogiel]

PhoenixFire55, on 22 August 2016 - 03:01 AM, said:

Not both. This thread is gonna get nuked either way, but for the sake of future threads refrain from name-n-shame. We both know who we are talking about anyway.

It was both actually. The wallhack was obvious in both RHoD and the 1v1 tourney, but the aimbot was pretty obvious against proton in the 1v1 too. Both are part of framework and are installed together anyway, so both were there.

I don't know if you can find the vids to rewatch though.

[Flitzomat]

oldradagast, on 22 August 2016 - 03:09 AM, said:

People love to deny reality. Up until that ban wave, we had no shortage of deniers around here, claiming that it was "impossible to cheat in MWO because the game is server-side" or some nonsense. They were, of course, completely wrong. Now, as time passes, they will conveniently forget those 64 public bans (and who knows how many others in private) and again claim that "nobody is cheating and you must just suck." It would be laughable were it not so transparent and pathetic.

No1: Usually the "cheating is everywhere faction" denies that PGI is doing anything and is absolutely imune to arguments (not counting you, as you know about private bans)
No2: Often the "cheating is everywhere faction" is made up from players that, despite their often longlasting MWO experience, is finding themselves in the lower part of skill. Often their arguments can be explained by lack of understanding the game mechanics/not understanding hit reg problems/ not understanding how superb players can be so good. But they are again imune to arguments.
No3: Often these accusations are made by accounts with under 20 posts in four years. They drop their rant and are never to be seen until next rant in 3 years.

Conclusion: As all arguments tend to fail in these reoccuring discussions even the most reasonable and fond forumwarriors, who are well aware or rare cheating, tend to answer this. And there is even some truth in it as you see in No2

Edited by Flitzomat, 22 August 2016 - 03:30 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Flitzomat, on 22 August 2016 - 03:27 AM, said:

No1: Usually the "cheating is everywhere faction" denies that PGI is doing anything and is absolutely imune to arguments (not counting you, as you know about private bans)
No2: Often the "cheating is everywhere faction" is made up from players that, despite their often longlasting MWO experience, is finding themselves in the lower part of skill. Often their arguments can be explained by lack of understanding the game mechanics/not understanding hit reg problems/ not understanding how superb players can be so good. But they are again imune to arguments.
No3: Often these accusations are made by accounts with under 20 posts in four years. They drop their rant and are never to be seen until next rant in 3 years.

Conclusion: As all arguments tend to fail in these reoccuring discussions even the most reasonable and fond forumwarriors tend to answer this. And there is even some truth in it as you see in No2

Explain factions running Sych drop channels then?

Is it just for camaraderie? I think not and after playing PTS 4x4 I see I am not as bad as I thought and can hold may own against known tier 1s in a direct fight.

Sorry. Most of you guys in high tiers are frauds. I am convinced now.

[Stone Wall]

Blue Pheonix, on 21 August 2016 - 10:46 PM, said:

Also, regularly hitting small lights at 200m to 500m is not hard but easy? Man, you are the man! Im not being facetous. If you actually have a high accuracy doing this and its easy, you are really really really good.

I can do this. At least you don't have to lag shoot them anymore.

Here are my tips.

Disable Cockpit Monitors and Glass.
Bring up the Task Manager and close down stuff you don't need. Example: Spotify, iTunes, UpdateChecker
Turn the game down to Medium, or Low if your computer stutters around Lights.
Zoom in if you have trouble seeing until the Light is closer.
Use lasers

[Flitzomat]

Running synchchannels is something I have never seen. Dropping with and against teammates occasionally is unavoidable and it´s always number 1 priority to get your mate.

Besides that it´s not even cheating. It is fraud