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[H I A S]

@Derek: You know ur stats and now look at the stats from a tier1 player....

83 94 0.88 99 115 0.86 178 210

Edited by arivio, 23 August 2016 - 12:38 PM.

[Mystere]

Deathlike, on 23 August 2016 - 11:10 AM, said:

I will say that the ratio of actually good players to "everyone else" is rather lopsided. Compromises will have to be made for better matches times (and for those of you asking for better match times, what is reasonable to you honestly? 1hr (let alone 15 minutes) is totally unacceptable.

I don't think PGI will ever create a proper MM ever, but moreso there are people that are not willing (or are able for that matter) to put in their share to make the team successful.

Heck, even those same good players will not be acting like "video games are serious bizness" 100% of the time. As such, even if players were matched perfectly, one or more could throw a monkey wrench on everything if they do decide to simply have fun by horsing around.

Meh! It's just too much trouble.

Edited by Mystere, 23 August 2016 - 12:39 PM.

[Scout Derek]

arivio, on 23 August 2016 - 12:37 PM, said:

@Derek: You know ur stats and now look at the stats from a tier1 player....

83 94 0.88 99 115 0.86 178 210

I can't even read these. You gotta label them man, labels help....

Especially in this situation.

[Deathlike]

Scout Derek, on 23 August 2016 - 12:39 PM, said:

I can't even read these. You gotta label them man, labels help....

Especially in this situation.

Pretty sure it's...
Wins, Losses, W-L ratio, Kills, Deaths, K-D ratio, Matches Played, Average Match Score

Edited by Deathlike, 23 August 2016 - 12:42 PM.

[Scout Derek]

Deathlike, on 23 August 2016 - 12:35 PM, said:

It's not quite what you're saying it is.

Tier 1 is very.... varying.

I have a mediocre W-L ratio, as just as well as a mediocre K-D ratio. My Tier 1 bar is maxed.

Compare this to the real top tier guys with the stupid crazy W-L and K-D ratio. Their 1 bar is obviously maxed.

They are not really the same, even if they are in the "top tier" region. I deem it reasonably possible to achieve a really low minimum bar to max out Tier 1 (something like a slightly above 1 K-D ratio with a positive W-L ratio).

They are not intricately linked, despite them being related.

Going to be honest:

I don't remember what they used to calculate what tier you were in. I think match count was one of them. So if you had alot of games under your belt but average WLR and etc, you would be tier one.

I think also this Tier thing needs more refining to separate certain skills that players have.

Starting out in Tier 4 as opposed to 5 is a testament to this.

[H I A S]

Deathlike, on 23 August 2016 - 12:40 PM, said:

Pretty sure it's...
Wins, Losses, W-L ratio, Kills, Deaths, K-D ratio, Matches Played, Average Match Score

Yes, it's from the Leaderboard.
You can simply grind your tier and you have not even to be "good".

[Mystere]

arivio, on 23 August 2016 - 12:37 PM, said:

@Derek: You know ur stats and now look at the stats from a tier1 player....

83 94 0.88 99 115 0.86 178 210

If that's from the leaderboard then it's really not a good indicator. For all we know, said player could have been just horsing around or even "experimenting" ever since the leaderboards were released.

[Deathlike]

Scout Derek, on 23 August 2016 - 12:42 PM, said:

Going to be honest:

I don't remember what they used to calculate what tier you were in. I think match count was one of them. So if you had alot of games under your belt but average WLR and etc, you would be tier one.

I think also this Tier thing needs more refining to separate certain skills that players have.

Starting out in Tier 4 as opposed to 5 is a testament to this.

It's a bad system.

There are better ones obviously (even if it is arbitrary) where the separation of levels are bigger (like more of them) that even if you played a lot, you would still plateau at some point.

Again, PGI isn't going to realistically create that system. They've never really succeeded, but more importantly there aren't enough quality players to even have a good distribution. There's too much mediocrity.

Edited by Deathlike, 23 August 2016 - 12:46 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Scout Derek, on 23 August 2016 - 12:24 PM, said:

Does it now? How is Tier EXP calculated?

Oh yes, from how you perform in-game. from your wins and losses all the way down to assists and TAG bonuses.

Yeah but that caculation means next to nothing when a 10W/L 20KDR player is the same as a 1.1 W/L 0.9 KDR player both being maxed T1.

Edited by Ghogiel, 23 August 2016 - 12:51 PM.

[H I A S]

Mystere, on 23 August 2016 - 12:45 PM, said:

If that's from the leaderboard then it's really not a good indicator. For all we know, said player could have been just horsing around or even "experimenting" ever since the leaderboards were released.

Maybe, but it's nearly the same for season1.
and shouldn't he drop down with this stats?
He play the same bracket as all other in his tier.
psr is simply broken.

[mrpetzold]

Sgt Minuteman, on 23 August 2016 - 12:29 PM, said:

Well, I have been Tier 3 for a year and I can see what your talking about. This weekend it has been ROFLSTOMP and role the dice to see if you get on the stomping side. There matches are not balanced. Yes there were about 3 founders on each side, and 4 from some of the other badges from reenforcment bundle pack buyer veterans, and the white Noobs made up the rest. I have been stuck on low Tier 3 because the MM maker. I know I don't play that bad. I should see some advancement. I should be about 1/2 to 3/4 on Tier 3 by now. But when idiots play with their gamepads and stalkers full of LRM 5's that cant hold a lock to save their own life....I suffer.

No, you will not see much advancement with a KDR around 0,50 and avarage matchscore around 150. If PSR was working properly you should probably be tier 4 at best, probably tier 5. No offense. Although, roflstomps will happend regardless due to the nature of the game, but with a proper PSR-system it would have been less of them atleast.

And you know that the different badges doesnt say anything at all about skill? Amount of time in the game hasnt anything to do about skills im afraid.

[Ghogiel]

mrpetzold, on 23 August 2016 - 12:53 PM, said:

Amount of time in the game hasnt anything to do about skills im afraid.

Fact.

Just roll an alt and see how many founders you find in T5.

[Mystere]

Ghogiel, on 23 August 2016 - 12:56 PM, said:

Just roll an alt and see how many founders you find in T5.

Edited by Mystere, 23 August 2016 - 01:00 PM.

[Dirkdaring]

I'd love to see the the rules for how the MM assigns players.

[PhoenixFire55]

arivio, on 23 August 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

and shouldn't he drop down with this stats?

Wanna hear smth fun? ... I once had a game on Polar when I got narced right away, got lurmed to death, did 0 damage, 0 assists, 0 everything and ... drumroll ... my PSR went UP after my team eventually won. I must be goooood.

Working as Intended^TM.

mrpetzold, on 23 August 2016 - 12:53 PM, said:

Amount of time in the game hasnt anything to do about skills im afraid.

Not true. The longer I play the dumber I get.

[H I A S]

**** happens.
Problem is if it happens over hundreds of games

Edited by arivio, 23 August 2016 - 01:20 PM.

[PhoenixFire55]

arivio, on 23 August 2016 - 01:18 PM, said:

**** happens.
Problem is when it happens over hundreds of games

Well PSR is supposed to change every game according to your performance. I literally don't know what I could have done to perform worse. TK my entire lance on spawn maybe? ...

[Felicitatem Parco]

If the OP wants only to play with/against elite players like himself, and not with/against people who play video games for fun, then I am afraid that a Guild is required.

Relegate himself to strictly private matches, and he'll be set.

[mrpetzold]

PhoenixFire55, on 23 August 2016 - 01:20 PM, said:

Well PSR is supposed to change every game according to your performance. I literally don't know what I could have done to perform worse. TK my entire lance on spawn maybe? ...

Thats worth testing! Get a 12-man going with really great players, where you kill 3 teammates at the start and see if you still rise in PSR when winning the match.

[Stone Wall]

Ghogiel, on 23 August 2016 - 12:56 PM, said:

Fact.

Just roll an alt and see how many founders you find in T5.

I've spent almost 2 months since returning playing anyway I wanted to in a Jenner in Tier 5. When I learned what the PSR was, I tried to stay alive longer and get stats and I'm almost out of Tier 5.

If I play 5 matches, I might see 2-3 founders out of 60 players. You are right though. Time in the game =/= skill. Especially when bad players are matched up with what the PSR assumes are bad players. These guys will never learn from watching other bad players.

There's one player I see off and on in Tier 5, who won't be named, who is dog **** at this game. Anytime I see him, I know it's going to be a either a free kill or my team is going to be down 12-11 fast. From how I see him playing and what he says over his mic, he hasn't learned a damn thing from staying in Tier 5. It's pretty sad. I hope PGI removes this system or at least puts it on hyper drive with a reset every Leaderboard Season as some people have suggested.

Edited by Stone Wall, 23 August 2016 - 01:27 PM.