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[Dingo Battler]

Don't you hate people who say that?

Today there was a 12 year old (very high pitched voice) threatening to start shooting people, and calling us cowards for not pushing according to his cue. I ended up 2 kills, 400dmg, while his was a sub 200. Second game, same case for me and him. Very annoying. Promptly searched him on leaderboards, and found out he's ranked a shameful 11850, with a 1.1 WLR, and 0.84KDR. Very pathetic.

A previous game, some other nub asked the assaults to push into the eye of mordor (of course he wasn't in an assault), called them cowards till they did it, then he hid behind their backs, and promptly screamed for them to get out of the way, and promptly TKed an assault by coring out his back.

There is a massive difference between the atlas pilot who says "I'm pushing in, please support", and a rabid 12 year old high on CoD, asking people to push in, so he can come in and 360noscope everyone.

If you ask for a push, make sure you're the first one in. If not, put up and shut up.

[RestosIII]

[Tyler Valentine]

Did you really come onto the forums to ***** because a twelve year old got under your skin? Jeeze man, relax.

[N0ni]

So the next time i pilot a Jenner and ask for a push, i have to go in front first. Not using flanks, spotting targets, or keeping your Dire Wolf's rear armor from being cored out by a Cheetah... i have to lead the push flag bearer and all, be the first one spotted and very shortly the first one dead.

'Kay got it, i can't believe i was playing this game the wrong way. Thank you for the enlightenment.

[RestosIII]

N0ni, on 16 September 2016 - 05:36 PM, said:

So the next time i pilot a Jenner and ask for a push, i have to go in front first. Not using flanks, spotting targets, or keeping your Dire Wolf's rear armor from being cored out by a Cheetah... i have to lead the push flag bearer and all, be the first one spotted and very shortly the first one dead.

'Kay got it, i can't believe i was playing this game the wrong way. Thank you for the enlightenment.

Ayep. I guess I'll go lead the charge in my Lore Mist Lynx A now.

[Nighthawk513]

I think the idea was if you do call a push, you should be right with them. Even a light can put a respectable amount of damage down on a push, though you shouldn't necessarily be the first one in.
If you are in a fast mech, the assualt goes in, and within a second, you should fan out from behind them and start focusing fire, while giving them more targets to shoot.

[MischiefSC]

QP is pretty much the mode for rewarding cowardly play. Most comp players and even regular FW players try to avoid playing much QP because it teaches you bad habits.

Not that you should take then seriously - QP isn't a mode for playing well, it's derp town for derping in. However cowardice is pretty well rewarded in QP. The accusation is generally correct there.

Edited by MischiefSC, 16 September 2016 - 05:43 PM.

[Mazzyplz]

whatever the assaults want to do the rest of the team must support the assaults.
unless they want to sit in a ditch until they are completely surrounded. that's a no-go.

that being said. there's a trend of KDK3 pilots who soon as the match starts actually SEPARATE from the assault lance and go all the way to the back so they can avoid getting shot. my guess is they hope they will be the last guy standing and then clean up with 4 or 5 kills. this is truly pathetic. it needs to be called out.
there's no excuse for an assault mech to go rogue. usually they are the last man standing and get destroyed in under 5 seconds.
none of that 100 ton mech armor being shared among team mates.


whether your assault lance is pushing or setting up a firing line - the assaults should be fairly close to where the action is.


i understand how a little kid can be annoying.
just last night i said hey proton is on the red team focus proton!
someone asked "what is his loadout" and someone told him it was 4 ppcs. he went "bah that's no big deal"
then the next question he asked immediately afterward was "how do you get rid of this white arrow below my feet"
obviously the guy was completely fresh out of the academy. facepalm.
this wasn't even a little kid it was a full grown man perfectly demonstrating the dunning kruger effect.

however as pathetic as this was i didn't rage at it. i just went oh no... poor schmuck.
and i pretty much accepted that we were going to have our heads smashed into the concrete like absolute garbage.
another day in pgi's matchmaker

MischiefSC, on 16 September 2016 - 05:42 PM, said:

QP isn't a mode for playing well, it's derp town for derping in.

the fact that some people believe this explains why the game is so bad, given most people don't even like faction play to begin with.
what a sad sad state of affairs

Edited by Mazzyplz, 16 September 2016 - 05:54 PM.

[Dingo Battler]

MischiefSC, on 16 September 2016 - 05:42 PM, said:

QP is pretty much the mode for rewarding cowardly play. Most comp players and even regular FW players try to avoid playing much QP because it teaches you bad habits.

Not that you should take then seriously - QP isn't a mode for playing well, it's derp town for derping in. However cowardice is pretty well rewarded in QP. The accusation is generally correct there.

Mate, I play atlases and SB. I push in at least once a game.

This was in canyon, first time he started his mtndew fuelled rant was when at the flanks, the enemy had the high ground, plus cover around the rocks 500m away, while our whole team was walking along the river, exposed. The best course of action is go hide and look for a better chance

The second was grim with its endless canyons, both teams sniping each other from long distance behind cover.

There is a time and place to push. Like when the atlas pushes in, when your trusted unit mates asks you to push in. Some random in PUG screaming for you to do it is a good reason NOT to push.

[Dee Eight]

I end up saying in many QP games that I will not play below my knowledge or ability... usually in response to someone questioning my not being in the herd of lemmings nascaring clockwise around the map at the speed of the assaults, along with the other team usually doing the same. God the aneurysms that happen if a team counter-clocks it... or worse...one smart fellow finds a nice hiding spot and waits for the peleton to ride past before throwing a branch into their spokes. And come patch day, I will be putting a lot of branches into the spokes of many trial mechs.

Edited by Dee Eight, 16 September 2016 - 05:59 PM.

[El Bandito]

KBurn85, on 16 September 2016 - 05:30 PM, said:

Today there was a 12 year old (very high pitched voice) threatening to start shooting people, and calling us cowards for not pushing according to his cue. I ended up 2 kills, 400dmg, while his was a sub 200. Second game, same case for me and him. Very annoying. Promptly searched him on leaderboards, and found out he's ranked a shameful 11850, with a 1.1 WLR, and 0.84KDR. Very pathetic.

At least his 1.1 WLR is better than your 1.0 WLR. You really shouldn't call a kettle black, if you are the pot that is even blacker.



Lol.

Edited by El Bandito, 17 September 2016 - 01:26 AM.

[Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky]

Puglandia is a beautiful wonderland of magical creatures ranging from locusts to dragons to kodiaks to trolls!

[xTrident]

In the 12 year old's defense his W/L ratio is better than mine.

[MW222]

KBurn85, on 16 September 2016 - 05:30 PM, said:

Don't you hate people who say that?

Today there was a 12 year old (very high pitched voice) threatening to start shooting people, and calling us cowards for not pushing according to his cue. I ended up 2 kills, 400dmg, while his was a sub 200. Second game, same case for me and him. Very annoying. Promptly searched him on leaderboards, and found out he's ranked a shameful 11850, with a 1.1 WLR, and 0.84KDR. Very pathetic.

A previous game, some other nub asked the assaults to push into the eye of mordor (of course he wasn't in an assault), called them cowards till they did it, then he hid behind their backs, and promptly screamed for them to get out of the way, and promptly TKed an assault by coring out his back.

There is a massive difference between the atlas pilot who says "I'm pushing in, please support", and a rabid 12 year old high on CoD, asking people to push in, so he can come in and 360noscope everyone.

If you ask for a push, make sure you're the first one in. If not, put up and shut up.

Been there done that but I do like to inform them that you lead by example and conscientious usually after ending up a higher score. Also the ones who complain bitterly after dieing that no one went with them....(Its the only time they used their Mic in the game.)

Tho I have time to time, pointed out the fact that not all of us equipped the ESP or Left turn Module.

[MischiefSC]

Mazzyplz, on 16 September 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

whatever the assaults want to do the rest of the team must support the assaults.
unless they want to sit in a ditch until they are completely surrounded. that's a no-go.

that being said. there's a trend of KDK3 pilots who soon as the match starts actually SEPARATE from the assault lance and go all the way to the back so they can avoid getting shot. my guess is they hope they will be the last guy standing and then clean up with 4 or 5 kills. this is truly pathetic. it needs to be called out.
there's no excuse for an assault mech to go rogue. usually they are the last man standing and get destroyed in under 5 seconds.
none of that 100 ton mech armor being shared among team mates.


whether your assault lance is pushing or setting up a firing line - the assaults should be fairly close to where the action is.


i understand how a little kid can be annoying.
just last night i said hey proton is on the red team focus proton!
someone asked "what is his loadout" and someone told him it was 4 ppcs. he went "bah that's no big deal"
then the next question he asked immediately afterward was "how do you get rid of this white arrow below my feet"
obviously the guy was completely fresh out of the academy. facepalm.
this wasn't even a little kid it was a full grown man perfectly demonstrating the dunning kruger effect.

however as pathetic as this was i didn't rage at it. i just went oh no... poor schmuck.
and i pretty much accepted that we were going to have our heads smashed into the concrete like absolute garbage.
another day in pgi's matchmaker



the fact that some people believe this explains why the game is so bad, given most people don't even like faction play to begin with.
what a sad sad state of affairs

QP is derp queue. In any tier, as your example shows, most of your teammates are bad and going to shift the team for their own benefit. It's 24 v 24, just 12 of them you get rewarded for shooting and 11 you get penalized for shooting. There are no "teams". There is no "strategy". Just 24 people stomping around in shooty robots, none of it matters.

Playing stupid can reap rewards in QP because you can always trust your team to make bad choices. In any serious gameplay, even unit queue, you want to play to your team and can generally trust your team to play smart. QP you can't. You can expect teammates to go off alone, hang back to vulture kills, not share armor, take up bad positions and never exploit an opening.

That's QP. Playing cowardly helps your kdr, so does using your team as a meat shield. That's the game.

[smokytehbear]

Mazzyplz, on 16 September 2016 - 05:48 PM, said:

the fact that some people believe this explains why the game is so bad, given most people don't even like faction play to begin with.
what a sad sad state of affairs

• 0 legitimate rank system, meaning both that you could be paired up with players wildly over or under your true skill level and also there's no real prestige in reaching the "top."
  
• Rewards heavily based on objectively incomplete aspects of the match, with only small attention given to actually winning.
  
• Being less than 5% of the total number of players, and no smaller queue options, resulting in tons of instances of insurmountable bad luck.

Taking something like that super seriously is like raging at your friends at a weekend Halo party because they won't follow tactical procedures.

[Mazzyplz]

smokytehbear, on 16 September 2016 - 06:16 PM, said:

• 0 legitimate rank system, meaning both that you could be paired up with players wildly over or under your true skill level and also there's no real prestige in reaching the "top."
  
• Rewards heavily based on objectively incomplete aspects of the match, with only small attention given to actually winning.
  
• Being less than 5% of the total number of players, and no smaller queue options, resulting in tons of instances of insurmountable bad luck.

Taking something like that super seriously is like raging at your friends at a weekend Halo party because they won't follow tactical procedures.

it is what it is, but dont come here acting like attack lanes and long tom is better.
if it was they wouldn't be scrapping it to make the new faction mode basically the same as QP

if i knew for sure i was being invited to play a soccer match with people who are disabled i probably wouldn't accept to play. there would be no fun for me as my team just struggles to make a simple pass.
i'd decline in the nicest possible way.


i do not find acceptable that people won't put in at least half an effort into it.

if i knew that nobody was going to put ANY effort into playing a qp match whatsoever then what's the point of playing? for me there is none. it's more of a waste of time

i don't accept this and luckily some of the time people actually do make an effort. just enough so i don't uninstall.

i don't think asking people to mind how they play a team game for the sake of the team is too much to ask.
you're welcome to bring your worst mech. but actually disregarding the team nature of the game to me is an insult.
especially keeping in mind this game has no respawns and you are sinking a good 5-10 minutes of your life into it, and so are 23 others.
if one of the players is going to undermine this time investment, then anything else is a more worthwhile use of one's time.


i could understand if it was HALO, but the comparison you should make here instead is GHOST RECON.
and that's what the problem is

Edited by Mazzyplz, 16 September 2016 - 06:34 PM.

[Ted Wayz]

A digital coward or a real coward?

[Monkey Lover]

Pug meta is to be cowardly. I stopped caring about pug games long ago.

[El Bandito]

xTrident, on 16 September 2016 - 06:10 PM, said:

In the 12 year old's defense his W/L ratio is better than mine.

Yep WLR is what matters. I'd rather group with a guy with consistent 1.1 WLR and 0.8 KDR than a guy with 0.7 WLR and 1.8 KDR. Dunno why people place so much emphasis on high KDR, when that is clearly not helping them to win better than average.

Edited by El Bandito, 16 September 2016 - 07:29 PM.