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[xeromynd]

"New announcement at 4PM PST on Thursday, it's not a new chassis"

Huehuehuheuheuhuehuehuheuheuhuehuehuhe GOT US, so SO clever. And here some of us were thinking it would actually be something new, like new content, a major game change, unit decals, anything but another mech pack. Silly us, I guess all we can really expect from "announcements" are mechpacks nowadays.


Like, I'm not opposed to filling out the Clan mechs with heroes, that's fine, but the "joke" was not worth it. It just got our hopes up for something different than a mech pack. I haven't checked out the hardpoints yet, but the camo's really do look great.

All the hero mechs offer somethat that other omnipod sets can't, which would be pretty cool if they didn't cost real money. But when you look deeper, these new build possibilities don't offer anything that anther mech can't do better. Example? You can do a 3x ASRM6 Nova now! Yay! But wait.....why not just spend $5 more and get three Huntsmen, which will do missiles MUCH better than the Nova, go the same speed, and have more build possibilities?

Because of the way Omnipods work, it really feels like you're paying $15 - $20 for ONE more hardpoint (two at most), and that's it. Want to build a Warhawk with one more ballistic? That'll be $25. (And, backing up aforementioned point, a Timber or EBJ can do 3x UAC5 better anyway.

Next let's talk about the packs as a whole, the title says "Clan Hero Collection" but this is NOT a collection, this is a bunchof individual chassis that you can't buy together.

Now, let's establish that there is NO reason to preorder these. There is zero incentive, no CBill pack, no decals, no Warhorn, nothing. And if previous mech packs are any indication, you'll be able to buy these at any time in the next 2 years. Wait until they come out on Smurfy, theorycraft your build, THEN buy.

/some salt


tldr: cutefox is the only cool one. the rest are just paying for one or two extra hardpoints

Edited by xeromynd, 30 September 2016 - 10:22 AM.

[MovinTarget]

Lets break this down as far as "new" Omnipods:
(I'm only listing Omnipods not currently in the game, if I missed something (i.e. the loyalty mechs have an omnipod that the heroes have...) please just augment, don't yell at me.

Additional disclaimer: just because other omnipods have the same hardpoints, doesn't make the omnipods necessarily the same... might be different quirks or placement... I can't anticipate that in this evaluation.

Adder:
LT - 1 Ballistic
RT - 1 Ballistic

Kit Fox
LT - 2 Energy
RT - 2 Energy

Nova
LA - 2 Missile
LT - 2 Energy

Stormcrow
LT - 1 AMS
RT - 1 Energy, 1 AMS
RA - 1 Ballistic, 1 Energy

Summoner
LA - 2 Ballistic
LT - 1 Energy, 1 AMS

Timber Wolf
LA - 1 Ballistic
RT - 1 Energy, 1 Missile (a 1 Energy, 2 Missile pod exists... but has 2 fixed JJ)

Warhawk
LA - 3 Energy
RA - 2 Ballistic

Dire Wolf
LA - 2 Ballistic
RA - 2 Ballistic

Eyes getting bleary, hope I transcribed that right...

[Taffer]

Any idea when we should buy this to get in on a 2017 loyalty reward instead of 2016? Cause I can wait if It'll count towards a 2017 thingy.

[Wecx]

Alexander Garden, on 29 September 2016 - 04:30 PM, said:

The Wave 1 Clan Hero FAQ covers this. The Heroes will be available for MC starting May 16th 2017, as per the usual MC release schedule.
The MC prices for each are listed in the FAQ as well, in accordance with the standard MC pricing structure for 'Mechs.

Acquiring the Heroes through the web store would be the better value.

What else comes out in May 2017? I am trying to remember.

[SilentFenris]

MovinTarget, on 29 September 2016 - 04:49 PM, said:

Lets break this down as far as "new" Omnipods:
(I'm only listing Omnipods not currently in the game, if I missed something (i.e. the loyalty mechs have an omnipod that the heroes have...) please just augment, don't yell at me.

Additional disclaimer: just because other omnipods have the same hardpoints, doesn't make the omnipods necessarily the same... might be different quirks or placement... I can't anticipate that in this evaluation.

Adder:
LT - 1 Ballistic
RT - 1 Ballistic

Kit Fox
LT - 2 Energy
RT - 2 Energy

Nova
LA - 2 Missile
LT - 2 Energy

Stormcrow
LT - 1 AMS
RT - 1 Energy, 1 AMS
RA - 1 Ballistic, 1 Energy

Summoner
LA - 2 Ballistic
LT - 1 Energy, 1 AMS

Timber Wolf
LA - 1 Ballistic
RT - 1 Energy, 1 Missile (a 1 Energy, 2 Missile pod exists... but has 2 fixed JJ)

Warhawk
LA - 3 Energy
RA - 2 Ballistic

Dire Wolf
LA - 2 Ballistic
RA - 2 Ballistic

Eyes getting bleary, hope I transcribed that right...

Nice to see PGI putting out omnipods that were sorely missing for each mech. However..

Quote

Q: How do the OmniPods for these Clan Hero 'Mechs work? Will we be able to buy these OmniPods in the MechLab?
Hero OmniPods cannot be purchased separately from the Hero 'Mech. To acquire Hero OmniPods for use with other variants of that chassis, you must own an instance of the Hero 'Mech to remove and use its OmniPods elsewhere.

I wonder, how will the meta for each mech change? If the Hero-pods are highly desirable or necessary to complete, this is a setup into the gray area between F2P and P2W.

**EDIT**

After further consideration, I would say the Hero-pods aren't really any more dangerous than any particular "over-quirked" Hero mech (say Huggin or Oxides in the past). And the Clan Heros will be available for anyone to buy for MC in May 2017.

Edited by GrayFenris, 29 September 2016 - 05:20 PM.

[Dastalin]

Not highly concerned about it, but do we get preorder bonuses?

[MovinTarget]

GrayFenris, on 29 September 2016 - 05:01 PM, said:

Nice to see PGI putting out omnipods that were sorely missing for each mech. However..


I wonder, how will the meta for each mech change? If the Hero-pods are highly desirable or necessary to complete, this is a setup into the gray area between F2P and P2W.

This will change quite a few things. While low, the LA Ballistic on the Timber give you the ability to go "symmetric dakka" for the first time. That RT on the Timber may also be important if for no other reason than to get some hardpoint options *and* reclaim some podspace/weight.

Tsalen, on 29 September 2016 - 05:06 PM, said:

Not highly concerned about it, but do we get preorder bonuses?

It does not appear that we do...

[-Ramrod-]

*Waits for MC availibility* *Then waits for Hero mech sale for 35% to 50% off.*

[BLOOD WOLF]

xeromynd, on 29 September 2016 - 04:38 PM, said:

I guess all we can really expect from "announcements" are mechpacks nowadays.

Like, I'm not opposed to filling out the Clan mechs with heroes, that's fine, but the "joke" was not worth it. It just got our hopes up for something different than a mech pack.

do some people not read the roadmaps?

[Tier5 Kerensky]

Some of them are really good looking, but I've not realised before how ugly that Warhawk is, the nose.

Edited by Teer5, 29 September 2016 - 05:21 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Teer5, on 29 September 2016 - 05:21 PM, said:

Some of them are really good looking, but I've not realised before how ugly that Warhawk is, the nose.

hey, the mech is already pretty self-conscious about that. We try to keep the finger pointing to a minimum

[NocturnalBeast]

Teer5, on 29 September 2016 - 05:21 PM, said:

Some of them are really good looking, but I've not realised before how ugly that Warhawk is, the nose.

What is wrong with the Warhawk, it looks like the cab of a Mac truck with legs and gun arms attached?

[Jaspbo1]

Shame they're all kind of throw-away chasis' only good for the 30% bonus, the history and the snazzy paint job.

[Kshat]

Yay, more hardpoint-starved omnipods...

I didn't spot a single mech which shows the weapons and slots it should show - at least as the chart tells us.

I could easily understand one mistake or even a few... but really, the mechs shown in the pictures don't even NEARLY show the mechs which you buy if you follow the chart. Something is off, either the pictures or the description.

And no, it's not a "light" mistake. If you buy a Timber with a center energy slot and get one without, most people would feel really disapponted. Just an example.

I really can't understand what the hell is wrong with this company, I would guess even in Canada it is illegal to advertise something and sell something different which you find out after you bought the stuff and got it delivered.
Okay, maybe the weapon mounts aren't modelled in game, but if you advertise stuff like that you should have these small issues ironed out.

This is just lazy, as it seems all you've done so far is tasking Lauren (or another artist) to get some new camos ready.

Edited by Kshat, 29 September 2016 - 05:58 PM.

[Pugsley]

Kshat, on 29 September 2016 - 05:50 PM, said:

I didn't spot a single mech which shows the weapons and slots it should show - at least as the chart tells us.

Are you ********? First of all this has already come up in the thread. Second of all IT SAYS RIGHT THERE THAT THE PICTURES DO NOT REPRESENT THE MECH BUILDS. Holy damn. You people ***** so much about every stupid thing, and half the time you're wrong. There's so much static and pointless noise on these forums, how do you expect PGI to know what they actually need to spend time on and work on when literally 70% of the posts are complaining about everything. You cry wolf too many times and eventually people stop listening.

[Navid A1]

So... the announcements was... just another mechpack?
When Russ said that it was not a new mech, I thought that it was something other... something new.... some small little improvement somewhere.
But NOPE!... here is another mechpack!

Not having a problem with them... but please PGI, do not hype these stuff. I don't like your hype trains.

Also a big thanks to all you people funding the game for us through 2017.... You'll wake up eventually!

[SuperFunkTron]

I'm thrilled that they are putting heroes out and hope that they don't wait long to put out more! I'm hoping that there end up being more heroes of the same mech type coming out real soon (hinting at Widowmaker to be the first*).

[TheCaptainJZ]

All the camos look very sharp.

[shameless]

9300MC for the dire hero... you guys smoke some amazing stuff... the kitfox is the only one I'd consider getting... add to it you want me to spend at least 95 bucks to get 6 of these, or just spend 70 on the ultimate marauder IIC to qualify for top rewards is just poor math..

[Keith66AH]

Actually you only need to buy the collectors not the ultimate packs to qualify. Unless I misread that???
If six qualify for the TOP TIER by themselves then does buying any three assist if you have already purchased a different collectors packs??????

It would be more cost effective for me to just upgrade two of the regular packs I have then dish out $90 bucks for what I would need for these... or buy the collectors packs for one of the three I didn't buy already.

Edited by Keith66AH, 29 September 2016 - 06:22 PM.