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[Wintersdark]

Scout Derek, on 23 October 2016 - 05:05 PM, said:

An example would be Kodiak - as of latest patch if I recall, I don't know if it was you - but you (or someone else) took a Kodiak - 3 with dakka and still performed without a hindrance.

I did in each PTS. Had to adjust some stuff in various PTS implementations but while ED DOES cap maximum DPS output, only the most egregious examples can get to that point (like the kdk3) and the capping that happens is essentially irrelevant.

Really, though, the KDK3 shouldn't be used in these things as it's a broken mech as it stands. It should be nerfed, and not via GH/ED (which inevitably hurts other non-problem mechs) but instead via targeted nerfs (such as limited torso twist and the like).

[Scout Derek]

Wintersdark, on 23 October 2016 - 05:25 PM, said:

I did in each PTS. Had to adjust some stuff in various PTS implementations but while ED DOES cap maximum DPS output, only the most egregious examples can get to that point (like the kdk3) and the capping that happens is essentially irrelevant.

Really, though, the KDK3 shouldn't be used in these things as it's a broken mech as it stands. It should be nerfed, and not via GH/ED (which inevitably hurts other non-problem mechs) but instead via targeted nerfs (such as limited torso twist and the like).

I also myself took quad lb 10s - little hotter, but you can still alpha with them and do quite a bit of damage.

[Mcgral18]

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 October 2016 - 05:23 PM, said:

This is not my video but its that dakka bear on the PTS. The comparison between live server builds that are similar to this when on the PTS builds that run without getting penalized do on the PTS. I have seen no demonstration that builds like these High alpha or DPS can get past ED.

That was the point of the thread. you can not like ED, like ED, make a million polls or whatever. The only thing that matters is the demonstrable evidence.

Hint:

Fire the Double Tap after the ED draw is reset, no penalty

[BLOOD WOLF]

Mcgral18, on 23 October 2016 - 05:44 PM, said:

Hint:

Fire the Double Tap after the ED draw is reset, no penalty

yea, but you now decrease your rate of fire. Which is the point.

you seem to be focused on whether or not you get a penalty. Its not as if you fire one weapon and your supposed to be penalized. The goal when Piloting, would not to get penalized, so you fire you weapons in such a way that you reduce that change.

your hint doesn't show me a way he can fire at a faster rate without building up excesses of heat and shutting down.

my only wish was that there were more videos like these.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 23 October 2016 - 06:07 PM.

[Kin3ticX]

Scout Derek, on 23 October 2016 - 04:56 PM, said:

Just saying, what can you do.

Also if you do, will you be playing the new B-tech game or...?

Well I just built a new computer Im sure I can find something. I can also work on my raspberry pi3 or just do other projects on my spare time. I still need to buy the Btech game but I want to see previews of actual gameplay (not prototype alpha stuff).

Edited by Kin3ticX, 23 October 2016 - 06:51 PM.

[Ace Selin]

Kaptain, on 22 October 2016 - 11:56 PM, said:

Tuesday has already said it perfectly.



The gameplay is fine. The balance is generally pretty good. Even TTK is OK imo (aside from a pref for old 8v8 instead of new 12v12)... what we need is more stuff to do. More game modes that are not just glorified skirmish. Reasons to care about FW/FP...

Yes this sums it up quite well.

[Navid A1]

Hey BLOOD WOLF

Those large fonts you put in your sig to show what is the current issue you are buthurt about... they also block the links you post!

just to let you know.

[Imperius]

Is ED still wining I can't tell?

[Damocles]

I tried to screen shot the state of this game but my printer is out of ink?

pertinent:

Edited by Damocles, 23 October 2016 - 08:21 PM.

[Ghogiel]

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 October 2016 - 05:58 PM, said:

yea, but you now decrease your rate of fire. Which is the point.

After the intial burst not really. The DPS rate should be the same because unlike that nub in the video firing the double shot while the UACs refresh and after the ED cooldown means you are still firing the UAC double.

[Gas Guzzler]

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 October 2016 - 05:58 PM, said:

yea, but you now decrease your rate of fire. Which is the point.

Yes and no, you lose some burst DPS but the sustained is more or less the same.

[El Moosechacho]

Was thoroughly confused as towards why there was a post about Erectile Dysfunction in these forums.

[Chuck Jager]

The penalty of 30 does not mean 30 or else.

ED will allow a big alpha, but just not as big with a slightly longer cool down and a 2 system check on the next couple of shots.

There will still be over and under performers, but at least folks will have a bit more time to advance and hiding peeking will not be AS good.

One of my pet peeves is folks who memorize the mechanics of a video game and really have zero idea about how to adapt - like how true warriors do in ways that the game is trying to sim.

Those who refuse to change (live in mommies basement)

[Cementi]

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 October 2016 - 05:06 AM, said:

I suggest you also take a look at the conversations about ED from other players. as my threads tend to get trolled and derailed pretty fast, by the merry band of 10

This is actually a good point. While I do not always agree with you BW and frankly at times you can come off as a troll (honestly we all can) the amount of pointless posts attacking you and reattacking you with the same stuff does clutter alot of threads and yet nothing seems to happen to those doing the attacking.

[Cementi]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 October 2016 - 07:13 AM, said:

history. Making a single comment tends to get brushed off. When you have a history of trolling, picking fights, etc, you get a lot less leniency. I'm something an expert on that, as I get regular vacations.

They might edit his post, but unless he is getting reported regularly or showing a trend/pattern, why would they? You? Like myself, have history. Reaping what one sows, and all that jazz.

Does not make it ok though. People directly attacking anyone should be moderated so we can get back to a constructive discussion.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Cementi, on 23 October 2016 - 09:46 PM, said:

Does not make it ok though. People directly attacking anyone should be moderated so we can get back to a constructive discussion.

I dont have any messages of moderation of picking fights or trolling. He has to make stuff up to justify the children on these forums.

[Col Jaime Wolf]

there exists a simple solution to PGI's quandary.

remove heat capacity from stacking extra heat sinks

suddenly there simply is no way to mega alpha, yes all things will tend towards DPS warrior but its already headed that way anyway with ED.


and if we had proper FW/CW/storm the gates mode, that you know gave certain factions better deals on mechs and hardware in addition to any further bonus's from captured planets/factories....combined with repair/re-arm (remember you get your faction specific EQ cheaper).....

or you know FORCED loyalsits (clans too) to use faction mechs (but offered greater payouts and bonus's overall) with mercs able to bring literally whatever they wanted but they gained none of the benefits of cheaper faction EQ past w/e their current contract allows...... forcing them to weigh the pros and cons and make decisions on when and where its proper to bring shiny expensive mechs that cost a fortune to repair vs just scummin it out with SHS, ferro over endo and std engines to keep costs down.......

while leaving the quick play queue as is to allow pilots to build up a reserve or work their way out of a string of losses without having to worry about R&R.

idk i just think pgi lacks imagination and their attempts to balance this game how they would like shows it.

Edited by Col Jaime Wolf, 23 October 2016 - 10:01 PM.

[Ace Selin]

Its pretty clear most players dont want ED, but still PGI persists, wasted time and energy

[Battlemaster56]

PGI can have their ED I just want a real heat system and penalties, and new toys to put on mechs like is really hard to add is er lasers or hags sheesh

[RestosIII]

Battlemaster56, on 23 October 2016 - 10:23 PM, said:

PGI can have their ED I just want a real heat system and penalties, and new toys to put on mechs like is really hard to add is er lasers or hags sheesh

'sticking waiting for LBX/SRM ammo switching and ATMs'