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[Novakaine]

Dee Eight, on 26 October 2016 - 08:17 AM, said:

That depends on the mech of course... stormcrows and others with only 3 total slots... probably won't have the derp if something else suits the build better. With my streak crow I'd rather use the seismic wall hacker module than a radar flicker, and use the dedicated weapon and the master weapon/mech slots for S-SRM cooldown and range modules.

Yeah they do.
But they still stand in the open only to get lurmed.
Helpful hint it only works when you run behind cover.
Not while you running to cover.

[N0ni]

1. You should be getting your own locks because relying on pugs to do that for you is just gimping yourself and the team further.

2. Know which mechs are the biggest threat to the team and target them first, you don't need to be firing missiles at a BJ-2 if there's a KDK-3 right next to it.

3. People like myself use the command wheel function to spot targets, especially ones i'm generally keeping an eye on... be a team player and keep an eye out for these icons as well.

That is all.

[Mole]

Everyone should lurm like Novakaine does. He's the only LRM boat pilot to ever seriously damage me when I was not just horribly out of position. He knows how to twerk it.

[Clownwarlord]

LRMs are only useful if it is a team effort to use them. If not then they are a pure luck chance will you get the locks you need to put out damage or not. Even when you do have locks there are ECM, Radar Derp, AMs, and best of all other things cover (except for like one map ... polar highlands).

[LordNothing]

i like to back up long range weapons with short range weapons, in case of lerms, thats usually small/med lasers or srms. std ppcs same thing (erppcs too, even though you can hit stuff with it at point blank range, its not a dps weapon and is not effective in a brawl, you are better off laying off of them and using something else).

this goes both ways too, if you want to take a short range brawlly build, it never hurts to stick on a couple lrm5s or an erll, just incase your team decides to trade for 10 minutes.

Edited by LordNothing, 26 October 2016 - 09:20 AM.

[Lyoto Machida]

No need to ask for locks if you have LRMs...you should be getting your own anyway. Better players will naturally lock targets on their own so it's like asking the person giving you a ride to not crash the car.

Do you mention locks at the beginning of a match when you're in an SPL boat?

[TercieI]

Lyoto Machida, on 26 October 2016 - 09:21 AM, said:

No need to ask for locks if you have LRMs...you should be getting your own anyway. Better players will naturally lock targets on their own so it's like asking the person giving you a ride to not crash the car.

Do you mention locks at the beginning of a match when you're in an SPL boat?

I do. Well, I will now.

"36 point miniwub alpha here, please hold locks."

Edited by TercieI, 26 October 2016 - 09:22 AM.

[Lyoto Machida]

TercieI, on 26 October 2016 - 09:22 AM, said:

I do. Well, I will now.

"36 point miniwub alpha here, please hold locks."

Heh...I used to start with "AC20 boat here...hold locks, pls" lol.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Only a complete idiot makes the following conclusion:

"He asked me to hold locks; that means he wants me to stand in the open and face tank for him!"

Remember that before you insult people who ask you to press the R button.

[Lyoto Machida]

Prosperity Park, on 26 October 2016 - 09:28 AM, said:

Only a complete idiot makes the following conclusion:

"He asked me to hold locks; that means he wants me to stand in the open and face tank for him!"

Remember that before you insult people who ask you to press the R button.

Get your own locks. Also, try not to die and please try to kill the enemy team.

[TercieI]

"Dakka Kodiak, please hold locks."

#itbegins

[S 0 L E N Y A]

I always ask for locks over All Chat.

[Deathlike]

Kotzi, on 26 October 2016 - 04:56 AM, said:

Dont get discouraged. Any kind of firesupport is welcomed dont let those metatryhards tell you how to play the game.

That assumes that the LRM boat is doing a good job not standing beyond 600m+ and beyond to decrease their missile hit rate... even better if they don't keep firing at a target that doesn't register a hit on the reticle.

Bud Crue, on 26 October 2016 - 06:10 AM, said:

And remember kids, Artemis is a waste if you are hiding behind terrain (or teammates) to lob LRMs while relying on the locks your teammates are getting for you. Artemis needs line of sight to provide the improved spread concentration that it is coveted for.

I feel that people get it for the speed of the LRM lock, and not so much the accuracy sometimes.


If you don't say "please for asking LRM locks", you are on your own. You're only going to get locks whenever it makes sense to from others. Sharing armor just to stare at a Dakkabear for extended periods is not good for any mech's health.

Edited by Deathlike, 26 October 2016 - 11:56 AM.

[The6thMessenger]

Prosperity Park, on 26 October 2016 - 09:28 AM, said:

Only a complete idiot makes the following conclusion:

"He asked me to hold locks; that means he wants me to stand in the open and face tank for him!"

Remember that before you insult people who ask you to press the R button.

Deathlike, on 26 October 2016 - 11:56 AM, said:

I feel that people get it for the speed of the LRM lock, and not so much the accuracy sometimes.

If you don't say "please for asking LRM locks", you are on your own. You're only going to get locks whenever it makes sense to from others. Sharing armor just to stare at a Dakkabear for extended periods is not good for any mech's health

I specified that im using 2x ERLL + 4x LRM5s for fire-support, if i wanted to be a boat and just stay behind lurmin, i'd use 2x ML and larger lurms. LRM5s are tight already to need artemis.

Catalina Steiner, on 29 April 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

Artemis
Artemis bundles your missiles if you have a line of sight on your target. They hit in a close burst.
The biggest disadvantage is the weight. Every launcher weights +1 ton.
LRM5: 3 tons instead of 2 tons
LRM10: 6 tons instead of 5 tons
LRM15: 8 tons instead of 7 tons
LRM20: 11 tons instead of 10 tons

So, the question is... is it worth it?



LRM5: no, the LRM5 launchers are quite accurate, not much LRM's are missing the target. And: most of the times you use LRM5, it's because you dont have much tonnage for carrying LRM. Any ton wasted with Artemis will make you relinquish necessary ammo.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 26 October 2016 - 02:51 PM.

[Voq]

Prosperity Park, on 26 October 2016 - 09:28 AM, said:

Only a complete idiot makes the following conclusion:

"He asked me to hold locks; that means he wants me to stand in the open and face tank for him!"

Remember that before you insult people who ask you to press the R button.

First of all, most of us are coming from a place of solidarity - a lot of those lock requesters are standing in the back hiding while they fire. So it isn't people's imagination that the request can often imply the other players intent to hide.

Second, if you aren't implying that you intend to hide, you're somewhat insulting then. Every good players knows to lock their target. Hell, the game does it for you if you ignore it for too long. But of course we're hitting R - we want the paper doll to see where to shoot. So you don't need to ask for the lock.

Lastly, 6th is directly implying his plan to be this kind of player by describing himself as a sniper and later admitting that he's got the lurms for when he doesn't have LoS.
Others have outlined in detail (in other threads) the concept of sharing armour. When the enemy visualises a line of enemy targets it makes it difficult to focus on a single one. When you're shoulder to shoulder with your team you contribute your armour to the count.
If you're hiding, you may indeed do some damage, but you don't share the weight of the incoming damage.

I'm not necessarily a proponent of the murder ball to the exclusion of all else, but in the end, a composed unified firing line will succeed more than a spread out team.

You want to be effective as a lurmer? Join the front line and march with your team.

[S 0 L E N Y A]

Prosperity Park, on 26 October 2016 - 09:28 AM, said:

Only a complete idiot makes the following conclusion:

"He asked me to hold locks; that means he wants me to stand in the open and face tank for him!"

Remember that before you insult people who ask you to press the R button.

and only a 2 button hero would bother asking anybody for locks

[The6thMessenger]

Voq, on 26 October 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

First of all, most of us are coming from a place of solidarity - a lot of those lock requesters are standing in the back hiding while they fire. So it isn't people's imagination that the request can often imply the other players intent to hide.

If i wanted to just hide and lurm, i wouldn't have put ERLLs on my BJ, i would've gotten 2x ML for pure backup role and larger lurms.

Voq, on 26 October 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

Second, if you aren't implying that you intend to hide, you're somewhat insulting then. Every good players knows to lock their target. Hell, the game does it for you if you ignore it for too long. But of course we're hitting R - we want the paper doll to see where to shoot. So you don't need to ask for the lock.

But not every players in pug are good players right?

Voq, on 26 October 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

Lastly, 6th is directly implying his plan to be this kind of player by describing himself as a sniper and later admitting that he's got the lurms for when he doesn't have LoS.
Others have outlined in detail (in other threads) the concept of sharing armour. When the enemy visualises a line of enemy targets it makes it difficult to focus on a single one. When you're shoulder to shoulder with your team you contribute your armour to the count.
If you're hiding, you may indeed do some damage, but you don't share the weight of the incoming damage.

"When" i don't have LoS, but that doesn't mean that I just hide and lurm.

Voq, on 26 October 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

I'm not necessarily a proponent of the murder ball to the exclusion of all else, but in the end, a composed unified firing line will succeed more than a spread out team.

You want to be effective as a lurmer? Join the front line and march with your team.

Sure, but you know, informing people what you can do to support them better doesn't mean that I won't be with my team.

[chucklesMuch]

Coms good. I'd rather know that there are Lrms boats on my team than not know - whether people have asked nicely or not. (would be great if we could see our own teams load outs, even if simplified to green, purple, yellow colour segments box/circle next to chassis/variant on the 'ready' screen).

Dependent on mech or game situation i'm happy to lock a target (whether or not we have lrms - as it seems useful to know where our enemies are and how their paper doll is looking). I will generally call out targets that are missile friendly, including kodiaks (When they aren't or can't fire at me). Trying to make use of team resources seems like a better use of my time than disadvantaging, getting on a soap box, or perhaps further disadvantaging our team (there are notable exceptions).

Edited by chucklesMuch, 26 October 2016 - 03:26 PM.

[Lyoto Machida]

The6thMessenger, on 26 October 2016 - 02:41 PM, said:

I specified that im using 2x ERLL + 4x LRM5s for fire-support, if i wanted to be a boat and just stay behind lurmin, i'd use 2x ML and larger lurms. LRM5s are tight already to need artemis.

The6thMessenger, on 26 October 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

If i wanted to just hide and lurm, i wouldn't have put ERLLs on my BJ, i would've gotten 2x ML for pure backup role and larger lurms.



But not every players in pug are good players right?



"When" i don't have LoS, but that doesn't mean that I just hide and lurm.



Sure, but you know, informing people what you can do to support them better doesn't mean that I won't be with my team.

I'm still not following...shouldn't every mech loadout be asking for locks, since locks are beneficial to everyone on your team? People are not going to subject themselves to additional possible damage just to hold a lock for you. Why are LRM users special in this regard? You know they work in a direct fire capacity also, right?

For what it's worth, I'd wager I probably have better LRM stats than most people in this thread (40% and up accuracy) but you'll NEVER catch me asking for locks because it's redundant.

You should ALWAYS be locking a target in combat...hence why it's annoying to hear LRM pilots asking for locks at the beginning of a game. It's already expected behavior so no need to say it.

[The6thMessenger]

Lyoto Machida, on 26 October 2016 - 04:04 PM, said:

I'm still not following...shouldn't every mech loadout be asking for locks, since locks are beneficial to everyone on your team? People are not going to subject themselves to additional possible damage just to hold a lock for you.

But that's not what i am asking, i am prompting the team of what i can do, of how can i support them best.

Prosperity Park, on 26 October 2016 - 09:28 AM, said:

Only a complete idiot makes the following conclusion:

"He asked me to hold locks; that means he wants me to stand in the open and face tank for him!"

Remember that before you insult people who ask you to press the R button.

Lyoto Machida, on 26 October 2016 - 04:04 PM, said:

Why are LRM users special in this regard? You know they work in a direct fire capacity also, right?

Yeah, but they have the capacity for indirect fire, that is the point. They can still contribute while behind cover. It's like extra credit for school, or overtime for work.

Lyoto Machida, on 26 October 2016 - 04:04 PM, said:

For what it's worth, I'd wager I probably have better LRM stats than most people in this thread (40% and up accuracy) but you'll NEVER catch me asking for locks because it's redundant.

But it's not about you, it's about the team. It's not about personal stats, it's about being able to support the team.

Lyoto Machida, on 26 October 2016 - 04:04 PM, said:

You should ALWAYS be locking a target in combat...hence why it's annoying to hear LRM pilots asking for locks at the beginning of a game. It's already expected behavior so no need to say it.

Sure i get my own locks, but i can help them even more when they have locks. Sure good players get locks in the first place, automatic, second nature in the game -- but not everyone in QP is good players are they?

Edited by The6thMessenger, 26 October 2016 - 04:29 PM.