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[Blackice001]

So the Battletech online kick starter is over with, They raised over 2.5 mill for the game development scheduled to be released in about 2 years. It will have everything the MWO does not have. Unfortunately its not a FPS. But it will be the only other game in this genre. That would be called " a choice ". Why can't MWO pull a kick starter to raise money for a MWO 2.0 and try to release it about the same time? I'm sure they could raise enough money to do a good engine overhaul and add in a crap ton of new features and content. Economy, mech repair and upkeep, complete overhaul on faction warfare. Maybe even add in vehicles and a better exp system... Little bit of immersion here, I'd like to improve my pilots skills, rather than buy a mech with bonuses on weapons I don't use., There really is no limit to the number of improvements that could be done. They could address other things like a map making tools for the players to make their own maps and post they for others to play on. How about faction warfare players having bases that can be raided?, Sky's the limit here !

Hey Dev's would you consider doing a kick starter and listening to the community to find out all the features we would like to see added? Don't scrap the current game, just do a re-release

MWO 2.0

[Bombast]

Several things here.

Blackice001, on 30 October 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

So the Battletech online kick starter is over with, They raised over 2.5 mill for the game development scheduled to be released in about 2 years.

That was over a year ago.

Blackice001, on 30 October 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

Unfortunately its not a FPS.

I think you mean 'Thank god it's not an FPS.' Because then it wouldn't be Battletech.

Blackice001, on 30 October 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

But it will be the only other game in this genre.

It will be the only other game in this setting.

Blackice001, on 30 October 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

Why can't MWO pull a kick starter to raise money for a MWO 2.0 and try to release it about the same time?

Crowdfunding requires good will, and it's widely believed that PGI has burned all of there's down. There's also the problem of telling people you're replacing a product... and then trying to convince them to continue supporting that product with money.

After you just told them you're killing the product.

Blackice001, on 30 October 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

I'm sure they could raise enough money to do a good engine overhaul and add in a crap ton of new features and content.

You would be one of the few people who think that.

Blackice001, on 30 October 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

Economy, mech repair and upkeep, complete overhaul on faction warfare. Maybe even add in vehicles and a better exp system... Little bit of immersion here, I'd like to improve my pilots skills, rather than buy a mech with bonuses on weapons I don't use., There really is no limit to the number of improvements that could be done. They could address other things like a map making tools for the players to make their own maps and post they for others to play on. How about faction warfare players having bases that can be raided?, Sky's the limit here !

We're running into another problem here - Asking people to continue to support an old product, while asking them to also fund a replacement product, while admitting that they screwed the last product up so bad they couldn't fix it and had to start from scratch again.

Not a strong opening statement.

Blackice001, on 30 October 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

Hey Dev's would you consider doing a kick starter and listening to the community to find out all the features we would like to see added? Don't scrap the current game, just do a re-release

MWO 2.0

Yes, PGI. Please, go back to Kickstarter. I'm beginning to think I have a justified kickstart failure fetish, and I need my fix.

Are you the same guy who started the last MWO 2.0 thread? It's weird to clutch to such a horrible idea so tightly.

Edited by Bombast, 30 October 2016 - 07:06 PM.

[Johnny Z]

I know one think for sure, it would be great if MechWarrior Online had some of the features that Battletech is going to have.

Dropship home base and NPC on Dropship and a much more interactive interesting mechbay, just for starters. Not to mention NPC AI tank and things.

Edited by Johnny Z, 30 October 2016 - 07:10 PM.

[Novakaine]

Adding these would bring this sucka back to life.

[Bombast]

Novakaine, on 30 October 2016 - 07:14 PM, said:

Adding these would bring this sucka back to life.

Spoiler

Yah, and then we can balance those by varying barrel depression/elevation. And compensate the lack of locations to spread damage out by instituting armor thickness, and a damage 'bouncing' mechanic.

Wait...

Edited by Bombast, 30 October 2016 - 07:24 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Bombast, on 30 October 2016 - 07:00 PM, said:

I think you mean 'Thank god it's not an FPS.' Because then it wouldn't be Battletech.

Indeed. FPS = Mechwarrior. Battletech is a strategic wargame, and should remain that way.

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Crowdfunding requires good will, and it's widely believed that PGI has burned all of there's down. There's also the problem of telling people you're replacing a product... and then trying to convince them to continue supporting that product with money.

While I'm not nearly the negative Nancy so many are, if there's one group of players with a legitimate bone to pick with PGI, it's the Founders.

Given that, given how things worked out with regards to what PGI sold to the founders and what PGI delivered to the founders, I can't see people rushing to do that again. I know I'd follow that project with interest but pay them NOTHING till there was a suitable shipped project (that is, after beta ends!)

[Bombast]

Wintersdark, on 30 October 2016 - 07:45 PM, said:

While I'm not nearly the negative Nancy so many are, if there's one group of players with a legitimate bone to pick with PGI, it's the Founders.

When you say it like that, all I can think of is the Star Trek Founders.

Specifically, the scene where Garak asks if there were any Cardassians captured when they attacked what they thought was the Founder's home world, and the Changeling answers 'No, they're all dead. You're dead. All Cardassians are dead.' Only now it's PGI asking for more money, and we respond 'No, your good will is dead. Our wallets are closed. They'll always be closed.'

Edited by Bombast, 30 October 2016 - 07:55 PM.

[TLBFestus]

A PGI kickstarter for a new version of this game would be a horrendous failure.

They have burned 99% of their goodwill with the original supporters of the kickstarter for this game.

They attempted to pull it off again with "TRANSVERSE" whereby they essentially told us that MWO would be in "Maintenance Mode" (PGIspeak for "We're done here!"), and it was a colossal embarrassment of such epic proportions that Bryan Ekman probably still has crying jags behind a locked office door.

Russ has made it clear that he doesn't respect the Communities input and that he knows better. Actually.....with that in mind, he will probably think that this is a great idea and run with it.

Kickstarting a "new" mechwarrior game with their track record will be next to impossible. I know a few precious snowflakes who will love the idea and support it wholeheartedly but I think that the roar of the crowd with the pitchforks will overwhelm them. PGI is barely competent to run what they've got at this point.

[Mystere]

Bombast, on 30 October 2016 - 07:00 PM, said:

I think you mean 'Thank god it's not an FPS.' Because then it wouldn't be Battletech.

[Bombast]

Mystere, on 30 October 2016 - 08:50 PM, said:

SNIP

[PhoenixFire55]

LOL ... MWO 2.0 with same devs tools. I wonder how many players tools will actually pay for it.

[Bud Crue]

We don't f-ing need MWO2, nor MW5, etc. We need PGI to just make MWO the way they originally advertised it. It is that simple. Make that game and people will play it. Make that game and advertise it and even more people will play it.

But no.
Rather than make the game people once gladly supported, for some reason PGI has decided that no one wants the game that the founders threw nearly 6 million dollars at them to make, and instead have convinced themselves that what their customers really want is an esports version of what was once called "a place holder mode" (quick play) of that game.

Whew! All I know is that its a good thing they know best, otherwise I would have thought the game people really wanted was the one they thought they were paying for. Crazy, I know.

[Jetfire]

MWO 2.0 would be a farce and so would a KS at this point.

PGI needs two things 1. A strong leader with a vision and 2. A large cash infusion.

The latter they can get if they want it. Offer some incredible deals on the content that exists to bring future spending forward. Cut the price of everything in half or more.

The former is ultimately the issue, you need to have someone driving the project, driving staffing, driving commitment and quality. I am not saying Russ couldn't be this person, but so far I would say he has only become about 30% of that person and historically was maybe 5-10%. We would not have what we have without him, but we can't get to something better unless he seriously steps up his game.

[Bombast]

Also, just to throw it out there, I don't want to live in a world where MWO:2 can get away with a Kickstarter, but SpaceCats In Space! can't. Because that's ******** and yes, I'm still butt hurt about it.

https://www.kickstar...n-space/updates

Edited by Bombast, 31 October 2016 - 05:21 AM.

[jss78]

The difference between HBS and PGI is track record ... HBS has an impressive record of producing good games with reasonably big gameplay-style overlap with their future BT game (the Shadowrun series).

PGI has done this once, with MWO, and they've been -- to be fair -- incredibly slow to deliver on their promises. Why would you throw money at them for another big dev effort?

Pretty much the only thing I'd throw advance-order money at PGI for is to produce another 'mech pack -- that's an area where their track record is impressive. And I don't mean to be an *ss, I like the 'mech packs and I'll pre-order Alex Iglesias's Crusader the day they announce it.

But still waiting for all that other content. For the 1.5+ years I've been here, we've got "here's FW -- oh nevermind, that doesn't work", "here's info war -- oh nevermind" (still waiting on that one), "here's energy draw -- wait, scratch that". Impressive art shop, but they really seem to struggle when it comes to the core game design.

Edited by jss78, 31 October 2016 - 05:31 AM.

[Besh]

Bud Crue, on 31 October 2016 - 04:30 AM, said:

We don't f-ing need MWO2, nor MW5, etc. We need PGI to just make MWO the way they originally advertised it. It is that simple. Make that game and people will play it. Make that game and advertise it and even more people will play it.

But no.
Rather than make the game people once gladly supported, for some reason PGI has decided that no one wants the game that the founders threw nearly 6 million dollars at them to make, and instead have convinced themselves that what their customers really want is an esports version of what was once called "a place holder mode" (quick play) of that game.

Whew! All I know is that its a good thing they know best, otherwise I would have thought the game people really wanted was the one they thought they were paying for. Crazy, I know.

I need to create an Army of alts to like this post of yours enough . Only thing I want to add is:

Not only would people gladly play it . I am pretty sure more people than current total players would keep throwing money at it to keep it going, and being developed to be even better...and not little money I might add .

Edited by Besh, 31 October 2016 - 05:48 AM.

[Wintersdark]

Jetfire, on 31 October 2016 - 04:49 AM, said:

MWO 2.0 would be a farce and so would a KS at this point.

PGI needs two things 1. A strong leader with a vision and 2. A large cash infusion.

The latter they can get if they want it. Offer some incredible deals on the content that exists to bring future spending forward. Cut the price of everything in half or more.

The former is ultimately the issue, you need to have someone driving the project, driving staffing, driving commitment and quality. I am not saying Russ couldn't be this person, but so far I would say he has only become about 30% of that person and historically was maybe 5-10%. We would not have what we have without him, but we can't get to something better unless he seriously steps up his game.

You know, I disagree somewhat.

I don't think Russ is the problem, other than in the "The guy at the top is always responsible" sense. That is, I feel it's not a lack of vision so much as a lack of will to take a hard look at whoever has been responsible for the design of... Well, everything.

Energy Draw. Faction Warfare. Infowar. All these failures, we've basically got the same game that opened for Open Beta in 2012 with a healthy dose of bug fixes and UI/side feature polish, but nothing substantial in terms of gameplay. FW exists but it's terrible, and that's not even in comparing it to what was originally pitched.

Edited by Wintersdark, 31 October 2016 - 05:49 AM.

[Hunka Junk]

Wintersdark, on 31 October 2016 - 05:48 AM, said:

I don't think Russ is the problem, other than in the "The guy at the top is always responsible" sense. That is, I feel it's not a lack of vision so much as a lack of will to take a hard look at whoever has been responsible for the design of... Well, everything.

Um...

[Flitzomat]

From all the people I tried to persuade to play MWO I never heard it is a bad game. The contrary was the case. They just don´t find Mechs to be of any interest.
This game could be all you whished for and players population would be only slightly higher at best.

Get over it, we are like Gremlins living in a dark niche of the Gaming World... But I like it here

[Bombast]

Flitzomat, on 31 October 2016 - 06:57 AM, said:

From all the people I tried to persuade to play MWO I never heard it is a bad game. The contrary was the case. They just don´t find Mechs to be of any interest.
This game could be all you whished for and players population would be only slightly higher at best.

Get over it, we are like Gremlins living in a dark niche of the Gaming World... But I like it here

Out of curiosity, how many of those people you convinced to play still do?