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[DAYLEET]

OP seems to think that women generaly and openly like war and want to associate with it. War is as dumb as it is necessary, its a guy thing.

ChapeL, on 02 December 2016 - 11:34 AM, said:

Oozing feminity

Now we know what you like... IN BED! AH! HOW DO YOU LIKE YOUR SEXUALITY BEING RIDICULED BASED ON FALSE PREMISES BY A STRANGER ON THE INTERNET?!!11!

Edited by DAYLEET, 02 December 2016 - 11:38 AM.

[Juodas Varnas]

DAYLEET, on 02 December 2016 - 11:34 AM, said:

OP seems to think that women generaly and openly like war and want to associate with it. War is as dumb as it is necessary, its a guy thing.

[Lightfoot]

Bombast, on 02 December 2016 - 06:32 AM, said:

Not many. Battletech started as a 'Rip Off' of Japanese anime, but it quickly veered off into its own territory, and that territory uses the word 'heavy' a lot. And heavy is not very feminine.

Neither are chicken legs, of course.

There's only one that I can think of that's kind of lady-like, and it's absolutely hideous. If the Urbie is R2-D2, this thing is a C3-PO that got got hit with the ugly stick a billion times. My mind has even reflexively blocked out it's name, so I can't even google it and show you.

Ripped off? Robotic walkers were more of a cultural icon revolution. Maybe you could trace it back to Osamu Tezuka's, "Astro Boy" (1952) or maybe Fritz Lang's, "Metropolis" (1927).

FASA entered into a partnership with, either Studio Nue, the creators and true owners of the Macross series (1982). Or Tatsunoko Productions, the owner of international distribution rights, to merge Battle Tech (1984) and Macross. Both barrow pretty heavily from Star Wars (1977) and the Empire Strikes Back (1980) which in turn barrow from Frank Herbert's Dune (1968).

Harmony Gold does not own Macross, though they usually say they do, and took FASA to court over copyright infringement, which is where the "rip-off myth" of HG and of the Unseens comes into the picture.

Bottom line, Harmony Gold was not the creator of the Macross series, they only held a right to distribute the TV show in the US. But Harmony Gold is frequently suing over Macross --and losing now.

Furthermore, it turns out that Harmony Gold is pretty shady in their dealings and neither they nor Tatsunoko have the intellectual copyrights they claimed too on Macross (Studio Nue does). Harmony Gold's founder was also found guilty in fraudulently inflating broadcast rights in Europe to create millions of dollars in kickbacks. Prosecutors estimated the illicit profits between 1988 and 1999 amounted to US $170 million. In 2005, Swiss investigators froze 150 million francs at a UBS branch in Lugano belonging to Harmony Gold, Wiltshire Trading and other companies. During this same time HG tried to sue FASA.

Battle Tech is pretty original in a landscape filled with giant robots. People just look at Harmony Gold's and FASA's out of court settlement not to use the Unseens as some sort of litmus test of originality and it's not. It's just HG claiming rights they do not own for a fast buck.

Edited by Lightfoot, 02 December 2016 - 11:41 AM.

[Sjorpha]

That Snuggles Time video is amazing!

Seriously though, most of the clan mechs look like they have giant vaginas.

[Bombast]

Lightfoot, on 02 December 2016 - 11:38 AM, said:

Spoiler

Ripped off? Robotic walkers were more of a cultural icon revolution. Maybe you could trace it back to Osamu Tezuka's, "Astro Boy" (1952) or maybe Fritz Lang's, "Metropolis" (1927).

FASA entered into a partnership with, either Studio Nue, the creators and true owners of the Macross series (1982). Or Tatsunoko Productions, the owner of international distribution rights, to merge Battle Tech (1984) and Macross. Both barrow pretty heavily from Star Wars (1977) and the Empire Strikes Back (1980) which in turn barrow from Frank Herbert's Dune (1968).

Harmony Gold does not own Macross, though they usually say they do, and took FASA to court over copyright infringement, which is where the "rip-off myth" of HG and of the Unseens comes into the picture.

Bottom line, Harmony Gold was not the creator of the Macross series, they only held a right to distribute the TV show in the US. But Harmony Gold is frequently suing over Macross --and losing now.

Furthermore, it turns out that Harmony Gold is pretty shady in their dealings and neither they nor Tatsunoko have the intellectual copyrights they claimed too on Macross (Studio Nue does). Harmony Gold's founder was also found guilty in fraudulently inflating broadcast rights in Europe to create millions of dollars in kickbacks. Prosecutors estimated the illicit profits between 1988 and 1999 amounted to US $170 million. In 2005, Swiss investigators froze 150 million francs at a UBS branch in Lugano belonging to Harmony Gold, Wiltshire Trading and other companies. At this same time HG tried to sue FASA.

Battle Tech is pretty original in a landscape filled with giant robots. People just look at Harmony Gold's and FASA's out of court settlement not to use the Unseens as some sort of litmus test of originality and it's not. It's just HG claiming rights they do not own for a fast buck.

I am aware of the specifics of the Harmony Gold (Typing it feels gross) debacle, and know that FASA didn't actually 'steal' anything. My point was that the aesthetics of Battletech, whether properly purchased (They were, at least on FASAs end) or not, began firmly rooted in Japanese art. It quite quickly spun off into it's own direction, however, and as time went on, they went more towards the 'Walking Tank' direction of Mecha (Sometimes referred to as 'Western' Style), where the more mainstreamed Anime direction (And where Battletech began) was more anthropomorphic and 'Suit of Armor-ish.'

[Navy Sixes]

Kuaron, on 02 December 2016 - 10:48 AM, said:

Erm…
Just don’t tell it “her”, “she” might get quite upset.

ChapeL, on 02 December 2016 - 11:34 AM, said:

Oozing feminity

Oops. TIL.

[DaZur]

How DARE you assume my mechs gender identity!!!!!!

Edited by DaZur, 02 December 2016 - 01:35 PM.

[jss78]

I glanced through this thread over lunch at work, and I'm amazed you guys haven't got it to Kaetetôã yet.

It's not in this game yet, but I always thought the Dervish looks like it's firing those LRM's from a pair of gravity-defying breasts.

Edited by jss78, 02 December 2016 - 12:50 PM.

[Morggo]

Tycho von Gagern, on 02 December 2016 - 10:37 AM, said:

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I think the more important questions are, "Are there any women piloting mechs in MW:O? Are there any women playing the game?"

The answer to that is, "Yes, some. But probably not enough.

Definitely 'yes'. My group has several (wife included), and one of our best pilots being a female. Plus, I've got a bunch on my friends list due to me being quite impressed with their play. Rare? I guess in total population yeah, but I believe more ladies than you'd expect are piloting Big Stompy Robots.

That said, it always makes me chuckle during a match to hear the general gaming bias with things like "Okay boys, time to push", "Evening gentlemen", "Great job, guys!"... etc etc... it's funny when one of the ladies speaks up and says something funny in response.

[Bombast]

Morggo, on 02 December 2016 - 01:03 PM, said:

Definitely 'yes'. My group has several (wife included), and one of our best pilots being a female.

[King Arthur IV]

problem is, it is a bulky armored robot game.
bulky just isn't a feminine look. the mechs also dont have any attire or accessories to make them stand out in that way.

the game is based off tanks, robots, military stuff etc. tell me the last time in real life you saw a tank that looked more female?? or a more female looking 747, a female humvee, female apc?

they are bipedal robots of war. they don't have sex and need to show the other mech what sex they are. what purpose would it server?

[Y E O N N E]

Bombast, on 02 December 2016 - 10:42 AM, said:

Sweet Black Knight, bro.

[Bud Crue]

Yeonne Greene, on 02 December 2016 - 01:15 PM, said:

Sweet Black Knight, bro.

Bigun too.

[Bombast]

Yeonne Greene, on 02 December 2016 - 01:15 PM, said:

Sweet Black Knight, bro.

A bit overweight, though. By about, oh... 1,905 tons.

[Johnny Z]

Bombast, on 02 December 2016 - 01:17 PM, said:

A bit overweight, though. By about, oh... 1,905 tons.

Just think those mechs make Battletech mechs look fact based in comparison.

[Bombast]

Johnny Z, on 02 December 2016 - 01:21 PM, said:

Just think those mechs make Battletech mechs look fact based in comparison.

An Atlas is to the Gypsy Danger what a Centaur is to an Atlas.

The Centaur is a 5 ton Protomech.

[Brizna]

Because of the tittle I was hoping for some mech porn in this thread, what a disappointment....

[WarHippy]

Morggo, on 02 December 2016 - 01:03 PM, said:

That said, it always makes me chuckle during a match to hear the general gaming bias with things like "Okay boys, time to push", "Evening gentlemen", "Great job, guys!"... etc etc... it's funny when one of the ladies speaks up and says something funny in response.

I wouldn't call it general gaming bias as that terminology gets used other places as well. "Guys" is often used in a pretty gender neutral way to refer to a group of people. Even women will refer to a group of women or a mixed group of people as "guys" depending on where you are in the world. Colloquialisms are a thing. That being said it also shouldn't be a surprise if someone 9 times out of 10 plays with a particular demographic continues to use terminology associated with that demographic that may or may not perfectly define and include every possible combination of people that happen to be in that 1 game out of 10.

[BumbleBee]

There is the Incubus/Vixen

I guess a bit androgynous, not helped that its real name is a male demon, Incubus is the male version of Succubus, but the IS called it a Vixen, so there is that

http://www.sarna.net...Incubus_(Vixen)

Edited by BumbleBee, 02 December 2016 - 02:41 PM.

[Kylere]

Liao pilots all scream like girls in a horror flick.

Some of the Wasp drawings I have seen over the years had soft but not feminine lines.