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[MechaDraco]

you know the actual question I have always had, is why does everyone just assume if your a bronie that your gay, both me and my brother are bronies, and neither of us are gay, hell he's a career military officer and he's married, so why is it we're gay? Suppose its just a sterotype like anything else that is out there, Mormons automatically believe in Multiple wives, African American guys like fried chicken, Asians can't drive, etc etc. those all sort of fall in the same catagory.

[Suprentus]

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

Good night, sleep tight. I'm out.

Good night, O victimized martyr.

[Errodien]

lol Haters just got owned.

Hard.

[Bluey]

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

Since none of you decided to rise up to the challenge and show proof of bronies on this forum shoving ponies in people's faces, I decided to take the liberty myself. The results to me are...not shocking.

First off we have a picture of the Jettisoned Communication sub-forum:

- First pony topic created since the existence of the Let There Be Pony thread was started by a non-brony.
- All other pony topics created have been created by non-bronies, or folks who have 1 or 2 replies in the pony topic, with no affiliation of being a brony.

Next, a search was conducted on the entire forum on thread titles containing the word pony:

- The only brony related topic outside the main pony thread, created by bronies, is a recruitment topic, which is allowed under the rules.
- The other topic is the dedicated furry topic which showed up due to having pony in the topic name.
- "Pony up the cash," is not a brony topic.

Lastly, a search was conducted on the entire forum on any content containing the word pony:

- The only thread to mention pony besides the ones addressed above, is the Outreach topic. Further examination into the topic revealed it was a couple members wondering what was going on in the Jettisoned Communication, today.

From this research, I feel comfortable saying that us bronies have stuck to our one topic, pretty darn well, and the majority of topics created today were either by non-bronies, or haters.

The evidence is right in front of you. You're complaining over behavior none of the bronies on this forum have participated in. If you wish the further argue, I suggest you look it up yourself, before you go throwing accusations about.

Good night, sleep tight. I'm out.

I hope Paul will see that and fix it
atleast put them into a group thread and told them to behave and stay there

Im out I had enough of this.
I was supporting this company before MWO declared and people claim I have no place in it dream on.

[Riptor]

Why do people see Furries and Bronies in a bad light?

Create an account on furaffinity and just look at the initial page showing the newest uploaded images. Theres your answer.

Also liking a kids show very much? Psh.. whatever floats your boat man.. im in no place to tell you what to like or not.

But raising a kids show to a level of religion/"way of live" and demanding to be taken serious?

Dude.. its a freaking kids show not the second comming of christ... take it down a notch will you?

Also ever thought about that people in general dont like it if person A tries to inject his interests in persons Bs hobbies uninvited? It simply feels invasive.

I for one really hated it when i was forced to play with my sister (thanks mom -.-) when we where kids and i had to somehow fit her barbie dolls into my he man universe!

You are a minority as bronies. Call it ignorance if you will but i dont see any reason why the majority should cater to a minority when it is about something so unimportant as a freaking kids show that causes diabeetis by just looking at it. (yeah.. its to cute for me..)

People are simply annoyed by the fact that you cant turn a corner on the internet anymore without stumbling over bronie "propaganda"

The logical fallacy you commit is that you limit your question to the MWO forums only, but this is the internet. People browse different sites and when they keep stumbling over my little pony stuff every second step and then see ONE pony thread on their favourite hobby website they are gonna get angry because they where annoyed even before they logged onto their favourite forums by all the other my little pony stuff that floats the net.

[Suprentus]

MechaDraco, on 19 July 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

you know the actual question I have always had, is why does everyone just assume if your a bronie that your gay, both me and my brother are bronies, and neither of us are gay, hell he's a career military officer and he's married, so why is it we're gay? Suppose its just a sterotype like anything else that is out there, Mormons automatically believe in Multiple wives, African American guys like fried chicken, Asians can't drive, etc etc. those all sort of fall in the same catagory.

Idk, I never watched the show. I'm a Marine veteran myself, and I partake in cute things myself, such as owning a bunny. People are more complex than initially believed.

[Brenden]

Riptor, on 19 July 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Why do people see Furries and Bronies in a bad light?

Create an account on furaffinity and just look at the initial page showing the newest uploaded images. Theres your answer.

Also liking a kids show very much? Psh.. whatever floats your boat man.. im in no place to tell you what to like or not.

But raising a kids show to a level of religion/"way of live" and demanding to be taken serious?

Dude.. its a freaking kids show not the second comming of christ... take it down a notch will you?

Also ever thought about that people in general dont like it if person A tries to inject his interests in persons Bs hobbies uninvited? It simply feels invasive.

I for one really hated it when i was forced to play with my sister (thanks mom -.-) when we where kids and i had to somehow fit her barbie dolls into my he man universe!

You are a minority as bronies. Call it ignorance if you will but i dont see any reason why the majority should cater to a minority when it is about something so unimportant as a freaking kids show that causes diabeetis by just looking at it. (yeah.. its to cute for me..)

People are simply annoyed by the fact that you cant turn a corner on the internet anymore without stumbling over bronie "propaganda"

The logical fallacy you commit is that you limit your question to the MWO forums only, but this is the internet. People browse different sites and when they keep stumbling over my little pony stuff every second step and then see ONE pony thread on their favourite hobby website they are gonna get angry because they where annoyed even before they logged onto their favourite forums by all the other my little pony stuff that floats the net.

Thank you.

[MechaDraco]

Suprentus, on 19 July 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Idk, I never watched the show. I'm a Marine veteran myself, and I partake in cute things myself, such as owning a bunny. People are more complex than initially believed.

I like this response, you are showing respect to me as a person and even giving me a little knowledge about yourself to show that your not all that bad, in general a good post all around.

[Catamount]

Suprentus, on 19 July 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

[Longwinded post that amounts to me saying I don't want them here because I don't]

Good, I'm glad we can agree on that point. You see? Common ground isn't so hard to find.

Quote

I am vitriolic, huh? (I don't think that word means what you think it means) I don't think self-righteous rants mean a sense of smug moral sense of moral superiority? Given that I single out bronies and furries for my own "ire" (which is a complete lie), I'd say that description was pretty accurate of your rant.

You know it's funny, because your oversized posts that do nothing but get you into fights with people far more qualify as rants than anything I've posted, and unlike your subjective terms, the word ire is well defined, and it's a perfect description of your posts. Did I offer a moral evaluation of that fact? No? Okay. You're really not very good at this, are you?


Of course, if I'm to be accused further with these words, the meaning of which seem to escape you, I might as well at least meet your characterization, so I'll just stick with my one previous assessment of your posting here that does meet said characterization

Catamount, on 19 July 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

Addendum: On the subject of posting, I just counted, and almost every single one of Suprentus' 24 posts have been just in this thread. So this user has effectively contributed nothing to these forums, nothing at all, except walking in and telling two other groups of people that they aren't welcome here, and then getting into fights over it. Perhaps this is a bit self-righteous, and if so, so be it, but I find it ironic that this poster is telling people who have, in many cases, contributed far more than him to this community, including one of the co-founders (arguably, as he pushed most for it) and defacto manager of the tech support forum, that they aren't welcome here. If the price of them being here, actually contributing something to this community, unlike our non-contributing critic, is that they might want a thread to also talk about what they feel like, then I, for one, subjectively say that that's more than a fair tradeoff to have them feel welcome here and do what Suprentus hasn't thus far done: actually add something to the community.

[Suprentus]

Bluey, on 19 July 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

Old guy find some better hobby
than arguing people within internet
Go to a strip club burn some dolars
get laid and lose your virginity
seriously let the younger ones do what they wanna do
shouldnt you be more productive
and dont even replie pls cause non of your ignorent answers
will have a small fraction of empathy

lol, this has to be the funniest most non-sequitur post here. Dude, troll harder, this was pathetic. Sigh...well feeding the trolls does pass boredom.

Isn't Battletech an old franchise? I'm not that old either, I'm 28.
I have hobbies, I'm into gaming, military history, collecting weapons, shooting, and browsing the internet.
Why would I pay for nothing but a cocktease when I have a girlfriend whom I swing with?
Are you implying I am not letting the younger ones do what they want to do? You're a fool if you are.
I can spend my time as I please, just as everyone else can here. Seriously, aren't you doing the same thing I am?
Ah, too late, I replied. It's a shame though, you have no sense of what "ignorance" really is, and I find that humorously ironic.

[Douglas Reichel]

I'm really not sure where to start...but here goes.

First off...to "grow up" is simply to personally accept consequences for one's complicity in given events when applicable; and to consciously, personally acknowledge and adhere to the need to continually acquire and refine new knowledges and skills for the sake of improving the overall survivability of oneself and one's species. It has precisely NOTHING to do with giving up games or toys or daydreaming.

Next...play is entirely about education and the development of knowledge and skills. It occurs in every species that has the capacity to learn and refine new knowledges and skills, and the practice is maintained even well into maturity. Humans have perverted it (much like reproduction) into something intended purely for self-gratification with no constructive benefits remaining (except purely by accident). Thus, giving up play just because one is older is really quite absurd, and also self-defeating if one actually does happen to still learn worthwhile bits from play.

Also...if it's any consolation, I hate the Veggie Tales and other such religiously-motivated travesties against rational thinking, far far more than I dislike bronies or furries.

Finally...I dislike bronies and furries for the same reason I dislike hippies and Ghandi and the like, because they're weak, and don't do anything objectively useful as a result of their weak views or interests. Sure, some might be doctors or engineers, but they didn't pick those careers because of being a brony or furry or whatever they are (though I suppose one might become a rather shoddy doctor by being a hippy).

Oh, there is one more thing. You're not individuals, you're not unique, and you're not original. You're cooperative collectives of mono-cellular organisms which have completely specialized themselves to function as unified groups. There is no "you". Your thoughts are not yours, but are the chorus of neurons and other similar cells in the brain each singing their own notes in response to the notes of other cells including your sensory receptors, or in response to some direct chemical interaction that happened to a given cell or cells in the brain. The community of cells in the brain can only react to stimuli, they cannot simply generate impulses (unless you have a neurological disorder which likely causes frequent seizures and hallucinations).

Now...since I already know exactly what people's responses will be, I invite you to instead bring your grievances against me to the battlefield, and Inner Sphere or not...we'll settle things the Clan way (assuming I choose to get a Founder's Pack and not simply wait for release...still haven't decided yet, sorry). Everybody have good matches and fun times...and always try to learn something from it all.

[Volthorne]

This thread is hilarious.

Bluey, you're not helping the conversation by being a troll. Knock that **** off or I WILL report you for trolling/harassment.

Suprentus: Not sure if you're still on that kick about ponies/furries/bronies in the off topic section, but it's OFF TOPIC FOR A REASON.

My position on bronies: I respect their choice, but ignore them unless they shove their fanaticism in my face.

My position on furries: ....How "furry" are we talking here? Slight anthropomorphism (ears/ tails, still fully human otherwise) or full-on humanoid animals? Former, I'm fine with that. Latter, **** that ****, it's not right (and not in a biblical sense either).

[MechaDraco]

Douglas Reichel, on 19 July 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

I'm really not sure where to start...but here goes.

First off...to "grow up" is simply to personally accept consequences for one's complicity in given events when applicable; and to consciously, personally acknowledge and adhere to the need to continually acquire and refine new knowledges and skills for the sake of improving the overall survivability of oneself and one's species. It has precisely NOTHING to do with giving up games or toys or daydreaming.

Next...play is entirely about education and the development of knowledge and skills. It occurs in every species that has the capacity to learn and refine new knowledges and skills, and the practice is maintained even well into maturity. Humans have perverted it (much like reproduction) into something intended purely for self-gratification with no constructive benefits remaining (except purely by accident). Thus, giving up play just because one is older is really quite absurd, and also self-defeating if one actually does happen to still learn worthwhile bits from play.

Also...if it's any consolation, I hate the Veggie Tales and other such religiously-motivated travesties against rational thinking, far far more than I dislike bronies or furries.

Finally...I dislike bronies and furries for the same reason I dislike hippies and Ghandi and the like, because they're weak, and don't do anything objectively useful as a result of their weak views or interests. Sure, some might be doctors or engineers, but they didn't pick those careers because of being a brony or furry or whatever they are (though I suppose one might become a rather shoddy doctor by being a hippy).

Oh, there is one more thing. You're not individuals, you're not unique, and you're not original. You're cooperative collectives of mono-cellular organisms which have completely specialized themselves to function as unified groups. There is no "you". Your thoughts are not yours, but are the chorus of neurons and other similar cells in the brain each singing their own notes in response to the notes of other cells including your sensory receptors, or in response to some direct chemical interaction that happened to a given cell or cells in the brain. The community of cells in the brain can only react to stimuli, they cannot simply generate impulses (unless you have a neurological disorder which likely causes frequent seizures and hallucinations).

Now...since I already know exactly what people's responses will be, I invite you to instead bring your grievances against me to the battlefield, and Inner Sphere or not...we'll settle things the Clan way (assuming I choose to get a Founder's Pack and not simply wait for release...still haven't decided yet, sorry). Everybody have good matches and fun times...and always try to learn something from it all.

I love you!! *hugs*

[Risky]

Damion Wolf, on 19 July 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

Aresfiend: No. This is what happens when you ask a question. You get an answer. From what I have seen of the Brony/Furry community, all they preach about (when they're not yiffing) is how they have a right to their views. Well, it goes both ways.

These are my views. Deal with it.

Views filled with fallacy and bad warrants.

*Shrugs* To each their own.

Edited by Risky, 19 July 2012 - 07:04 PM.

[Brenden]

Douglas Reichel, on 19 July 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

I'm really not sure where to start...but here goes.

First off...to "grow up" is simply to personally accept consequences for one's complicity in given events when applicable; and to consciously, personally acknowledge and adhere to the need to continually acquire and refine new knowledges and skills for the sake of improving the overall survivability of oneself and one's species. It has precisely NOTHING to do with giving up games or toys or daydreaming.

Next...play is entirely about education and the development of knowledge and skills. It occurs in every species that has the capacity to learn and refine new knowledges and skills, and the practice is maintained even well into maturity. Humans have perverted it (much like reproduction) into something intended purely for self-gratification with no constructive benefits remaining (except purely by accident). Thus, giving up play just because one is older is really quite absurd, and also self-defeating if one actually does happen to still learn worthwhile bits from play.

Also...if it's any consolation, I hate the Veggie Tales and other such religiously-motivated travesties against rational thinking, far far more than I dislike bronies or furries.

Finally...I dislike bronies and furries for the same reason I dislike hippies and Ghandi and the like, because they're weak, and don't do anything objectively useful as a result of their weak views or interests. Sure, some might be doctors or engineers, but they didn't pick those careers because of being a brony or furry or whatever they are (though I suppose one might become a rather shoddy doctor by being a hippy).

Oh, there is one more thing. You're not individuals, you're not unique, and you're not original. You're cooperative collectives of mono-cellular organisms which have completely specialized themselves to function as unified groups. There is no "you". Your thoughts are not yours, but are the chorus of neurons and other similar cells in the brain each singing their own notes in response to the notes of other cells including your sensory receptors, or in response to some direct chemical interaction that happened to a given cell or cells in the brain. The community of cells in the brain can only react to stimuli, they cannot simply generate impulses (unless you have a neurological disorder which likely causes frequent seizures and hallucinations).

Now...since I already know exactly what people's responses will be, I invite you to instead bring your grievances against me to the battlefield, and Inner Sphere or not...we'll settle things the Clan way (assuming I choose to get a Founder's Pack and not simply wait for release...still haven't decided yet, sorry). Everybody have good matches and fun times...and always try to learn something from it all.

An interllectual, I like that. I wish I could have worded it like that in my previous posts, but alas, I am to a Grammar book as an Airplane pilot is to being in a Submarine.

[Lou Cypher]

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

You say you have an unbiased approach, and then go on to say most of us are fanatically obsessed, and we need to keep ourselves under control, and stop jamming it down people's throats.

Sounds very unbiased to me.

And I am STILL waiting for you to prove, TO US, that before today, we were forcing MLP down people's throats, on this board, because that is what YOU said above.

If you're going to say it, you better play it.

This has nothing to do with the show anymore. This has everything to do with the fact you said something that you are NOT backing up, and if you won't be willing to back up the words YOU say, then don't say them.

Yet again you read what you wanted to read and took my words completely out of context. I simply stated that the "Brony" culture's most seen members are overly fanatic.

I did not target anyone in particular. The Bronies here have not been pushing MLP down anyone's throats. I said do not allow it to happen as that would make you as fanatical as religious sects etc.

I did not say that you were doing that.

You of course only saw what you wanted to and misinterpreted it to fuel your rage.

If I wanted to target you in particular I would have came out of the gate saying "My mech is fueled by Brony Tears" etc etc.

This is not the stance I have and I do not mind Bronies having their own topic as long as it does not affect the forums here like it has on many boards across the web.

Now please learn to read an entire post and let the info sink in before you allow your fingers to type the mis-information your mind has not processed.

The matter of fact is my original post simply stated that people as a whole are ignorant which leads to hate, which answered the OP's question.

Hopefully you will allow yourself time to process this post before raging again, and have a good night.

[Bluey]

to'Suprentus'

Bleh quote on wrong person way to go Bluey
sorry about that

it was meant to be for Lou Cypher

Edited by Bluey, 19 July 2012 - 07:07 PM.

[Aresye]

Suprentus, on 19 July 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Idk, I never watched the show. I'm a Marine veteran myself, and I partake in cute things myself, such as owning a bunny. People are more complex than initially believed.

That awkward feeling when the person you've been arguing with is a former service member.

Sorry I took you for a troll. I guess we really were just misreading our posts really bad.

6 years Navy, reenlisted for another 4 last week.
Crew Chief for the MH-60S Helicopter

[Suprentus]

Catamount, on 19 July 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

Good, I'm glad we can agree on that point. You see? Common ground isn't so hard to find.

Yeah, it's amazing once you actually start listening to people, huh?

Catamount, on 19 July 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

You know it's funny, because your oversized posts that do nothing but get you into fights with people far more qualify as rants than anything I've posted,

It's funny because I had to make my post oversized because you just weren't getting it at all. I was really doing you a favor. If you want to take it as a fight, that's all on you.

Catamount, on 19 July 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

and unlike your subjective terms, the word ire is well defined, and it's a perfect description of your posts. Did I offer a moral evaluation of that fact? No? Okay. You're really not very good at this, are you?

But I am not speaking from a position of "ire" whatsoever. Never once was I angry or wrathful. You may have interpreted it that way, but I am a very blunt person, and I really couldn't care less about what standing I have with other people.

And you definitely implied that I should not be acting in such "ire."

Catamount, on 19 July 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

Of course, if I'm to be accused further with these words, the meaning of which seem to escape you, I might as well at least meet your characterization, so I'll just stick with my one previous assessment of your posting here that does meet said characterization

Yeah, cool story. Too bad it's entirely inaccurate. I never told anyone they weren't welcome. I gave an explanation as to why OTHER PEOPLE hate bronies and furries. Sorry if that offends you so much. Clearly, it really pushed your buttons and has you on a "vitriolic" temper tantrum. Why don't you take a little breather and come back after you've calmed down a bit?

MechaDraco, on 19 July 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

I like this response, you are showing respect to me as a person and even giving me a little knowledge about yourself to show that your not all that bad, in general a good post all around.

Why thank you, good sir. I really am not a hard person to get along with. I'm just a little rough around the edges, and I'm okay with that.

Aresye, on 19 July 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

That awkward feeling when the person you've been arguing with is a former service member.

Sorry I took you for a troll. I guess we really were just misreading our posts really bad.

6 years Navy, reenlisted for another 4 last week.
Crew Chief for the MH-60S Helicopter

Ah, really? Nice, think you're gonna go career? I served 4 years active myself back in 2002-2006, went to Iraq as well. That's a pretty badass job, btw.

Seriously, I'm not trying to troll. I have nothing against bronies nor furries. I'm only trying to say why it seems so out of place in a MWO forum to me, and hopefully to explain why others have hate for it.

Bluey, on 19 July 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:

to'Suprentus'

Bleh quote on wrong person way to go Bluey
sorry about that

it was meant to be for Lou Cypher

Ah, lol. Nm then.

[Catamount]

Douglas Reichel, on 19 July 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

I'm really not sure where to start...but here goes.

First off...to "grow up" is simply to personally accept consequences for one's complicity in given events when applicable; and to consciously, personally acknowledge and adhere to the need to continually acquire and refine new knowledges and skills for the sake of improving the overall survivability of oneself and one's species. It has precisely NOTHING to do with giving up games or toys or daydreaming.

Next...play is entirely about education and the development of knowledge and skills. It occurs in every species that has the capacity to learn and refine new knowledges and skills, and the practice is maintained even well into maturity. Humans have perverted it (much like reproduction) into something intended purely for self-gratification with no constructive benefits remaining (except purely by accident). Thus, giving up play just because one is older is really quite absurd, and also self-defeating if one actually does happen to still learn worthwhile bits from play.

Also...if it's any consolation, I hate the Veggie Tales and other such religiously-motivated travesties against rational thinking, far far more than I dislike bronies or furries.


@

Finally...I dislike bronies and furries for the same reason I dislike hippies and Ghandi and the like, because they're weak, and don't do anything objectively useful as a result of their weak views or interests. Sure, some might be doctors or engineers, but they didn't pick those careers because of being a brony or furry or whatever they are (though I suppose one might become a rather shoddy doctor by being a hippy).

Oh, there is one more thing. You're not individuals, you're not unique, and you're not original. You're cooperative collectives of mono-cellular organisms which have completely specialized themselves to function as unified groups. There is no "you". Your thoughts are not yours, but are the chorus of neurons and other similar cells in the brain each singing their own notes in response to the notes of other cells including your sensory receptors, or in response to some direct chemical interaction that happened to a given cell or cells in the brain. The community of cells in the brain can only react to stimuli, they cannot simply generate impulses (unless you have a neurological disorder which likely causes frequent seizures and hallucinations).

Now...since I already know exactly what people's responses will be, I invite you to instead bring your grievances against me to the battlefield, and Inner Sphere or not...we'll settle things the Clan way (assuming I choose to get a Founder's Pack and not simply wait for release...still haven't decided yet, sorry). Everybody have good matches and fun times...and always try to learn something from it all.

Wow, an actual, reasoned position. I don't agree with 100% of it (close enough though), but it's well reasoned. That's a rare quality here.


@Suprentus

Congratulations, 29 posts and you still haven't contributed a single thing to this community besides starting arguments over your dislike of other groups, with posts as replete with compounding fallacies and misrepresentations as ever, that being more than 86% of your total activity in this community. Keep it up; let's see if we can get that to 90% of what you've done here! Just 11 more posts in here to go!

Edited by Catamount, 19 July 2012 - 07:22 PM.