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[TercieI]

Tarogato, on 20 December 2016 - 08:11 AM, said:

Lots of mechs look ridiculous PM.*

*Post-modelling



(I'm looking at you, Warhawk, Iceferret, Victor... )

Navid A1, on 20 December 2016 - 08:14 AM, said:

Lots of mechs look ridiculous PD.*

*Post-Dynamic Geo

Spoiler

I hate both of you.

*drinks*

[Kasumi Sumika]

I hate those overly high-mounted hands it's awkward and ugly...

[1453 R]

QuantumButler, on 20 December 2016 - 08:18 AM, said:

Give me Piranah or give me death.

Only if you're prepared for a flood of PiranhaTech variants that corrupt the very essence of the one-fit-wonder Piranha in ways that torment the mind and wither the soul, causing you to wish only for the sweet, blissful release of death rather than exist one more second in the nightmarish hell-realm that is the reality we live in.

Poor, poor Bushwacker...

Edited by 1453 R, 20 December 2016 - 08:24 AM.

[Mole]

People really hate the look of the high mounted arms, huh? I always thought it was awfully unique and I like unique looking 'mechs. The Crab is my favorite IS 'mech aesthetically speaking and the Firemoth is my favorite Clan 'mech aesthetically speaking. Just because they're both so weird. Anyway, I'd love to see a Firemoth. A Piranha would be good too. But in all honesty I'm just glad it's confirmed to be a light. It's been so long. Whatever it is, my wallet will be open for it.

[Metus regem]

The Piranha is one of the few mechs I might actually spend cash on... 151km/h out of the box, 12 MG's... Drop all energy weapons for more ammo and go to town!

[Tarogato]

Requiemking, on 20 December 2016 - 08:01 AM, said:

You can already do that with the Locust 1V and the 3V. On Clan side we have the Kit Fox, the Shadow Cat, ect.. The Piranha is just a troll mech that does nothing new and has no reason to be in game aside from being a Clan Diamond Shark mech.

Hardly a troll mech. And hardly a mech that does nothing new - no other mech in the game to reasonably boat more than 6 machine guns. Also, the Piranha has all-energy variants that PGI could adapt quite easily. A Clan 20-ton light is something completely new. Also, it would have more podspace than the Fire Moth, and be able to boat more than 6 lasers if it really wanted to.



Variant name
Hardpoint location and amount (stock equipment)


PNA-1
CT energy (cERSL)
LA energy (cERML)
RA energy cERML)
+ 12 ballistic, 6 in each side torso. (12x cMG)

PNA-2
CT energy (cHSL)
LA energy (cHML)
RA energy (cHML)
+ 12 energy, 6 in each side torso (12x cERMicro)

PNA-A (theoretical PGI variant, based on PNA-2)
CT energy (cERSL)
LA energy (cERML)
RA energy (cERML)
+ 6 energy, 3 in each side torso (6x cERSL)

PNA-3
LA energy (cERML)
RA energy (cERML)
5 LT energy (cMicroPulse + 4x cERMicro)
5 RT energy (cMicroPulse + 4x cERMicro)

PNA-B (theoretical PGI variant, based on PNA-3
LA energy (cERSL)
RA enegy (cERSL)
4 LT energy (cSPL + 2x cERSL)
4 RT energy (cSPL + 2x cERSL)

PNA-4
kinda pointless, because it's just like the PNA-1, except with some light machine guns and machine gun arrays. Redundant for MWO.

[Mole]

Tarogato, on 20 December 2016 - 08:35 AM, said:

Hardly a troll mech. And hardly a mech that does nothing new - no other mech in the game to reasonably boat more than 6 machine guns. Also, the Piranha has all-energy variants that PGI could adapt quite easily. A Clan 20-ton light is something completely new. Also, it would have more podspace than the Fire Moth, and be able to boat more than 6 lasers if it really wanted to.



Variant name
Hardpoint location and amount (stock equipment)


PNA-1
CT energy (cERSL)
LA energy (cERML)
RA energy cERML)
+ 12 ballistic, 6 in each side torso. (12x cMG)

PNA-2
CT energy (cHSL)
LA energy (cHML)
RA energy (cHML)
+ 12 energy, 6 in each side torso (12x cERMicro)

PNA-A (theoretical PGI variant, based on PNA-2)
CT energy (cERSL)
LA energy (cERML)
RA energy (cERML)
+ 6 energy, 3 in each side torso (6x cERSL)

PNA-3
LA energy (cERML)
RA energy (cERML)
5 LT energy (cMicroPulse + 4x cERMicro)
5 RT energy (cMicroPulse + 4x cERMicro)

PNA-B (theoretical PGI variant, based on PNA-3
LA energy (cERSL)
RA enegy (cERSL)
4 LT energy (cSPL + 2x cERSL)
4 RT energy (cSPL + 2x cERSL)

PNA-4
kinda pointless, because it's just like the PNA-1, except with some light machine guns and machine gun arrays. Redundant for MWO.

I'll be perfectly honest here and say that both the Fire Moth and the Piranha both make me moist. I will be a happy camper if either of these 'mechs make it into the game in January.

Edited by Mole, 20 December 2016 - 08:41 AM.

[Bloodwitch]

About time for a new light.
Had a game yesterday where MM thought a night gyr and a freaking timberwolf can have a pass on alpha "light" lance.
That's how heavy mwo has become.

[Tristan Winter]

It seems very likely that PGI will release 2 Clan and 2 Inner sphere light mechs after April, just based on how many mechs exist in the game already in each weight class.

I wouldn't mind both the Firemoth and the Piranha in the game, personally. The Firemoth would probably be Locust-sized, due to its big arms. And as Taro said, Clan MASC class 1 could be balanced to work differently from the others. After all, class 1 jump jets are only hoverjets, while class 4 jump jets provide some serious lift. For all his talk about normalizing, Paul doesn't care that jump jets aren't normalized. So I guess MASC doesn't have to be normalized either.

I'm curious to see how PGI will release light mechs though, since they've consistently been the least valuable mechs both in terms of earlier mech packs and the game itself. Will they release both the Piranha and Firemoth for $30, perhaps?

EDIT: Keep in mind that the price for the Urbanmech was high according to PGI because it was such a risky sale for them. Bu then again, they said that the Unseen mechs were priced so high because there might be potential lawsuits from Harmony Gold. And then they just kept the same price for all future mech packs.

Edited by Tristan Winter, 20 December 2016 - 08:46 AM.

[Requiemking]

El Bandito, on 20 December 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

Tonnage won't allow it. 30 ton Arctic Cheetah with ECM is already struggling to poke with some relevance and usually failing. What makes you think mere 20 ton Firemoth will be able to do better?




Piranha deals 11.4 DPS with those 12 MGs. It does not need open sections. It opens sections by itself just fine with a fire power that is equivalent to three heatless CUAC5s. Especially since MG CoF is reduced by 60%. Requiemking simply does not see reason. Or he does not know math.

Really? Yes, you have the DPS of three CUAC5s, but without the range, requiring more facetime, and mounted on a chassis made of coathangers and cheap tinfoil(that pretty much any self respecting heavy medium could severely damage with one shot). Hell, those MGs require at least 9 tons to make any decent use out of them, and nine tons on a 20 tonner is a lot of space. Couple that with the engine requirements(6 more tons), and you have 5 tons left over for armor and/or energy weapons. Not to mention that it's a humanoid mech, which means it will be easier to shoot that it's primary competitor (Locust), just like the Stinger and Wasp. Add that all up and the trollfish just doesn't sound like a good deal.

[Alan Davion]

Tarogato, on 20 December 2016 - 08:35 AM, said:

PNA-2
CT energy (cHSL)
LA energy (cHML)
RA energy (cHML)
+ 12 energy, 6 in each side torso (12x cERMicro)

PNA-3
LA energy (cERML)
RA energy (cERML)
5 LT energy (cMicroPulse + 4x cERMicro)
5 RT energy (cMicroPulse + 4x cERMicro)

These two will never happen because they use Tech Level 3 weapons that PGI will have a real s*** of a time trying to add.

PGI for some stupid, B-S reason, hasn't been able to add the IS ER Small/Medium, UAC 2/10/20, LBX 2/5/20 and Streak 4/6.

What makes you think they'll have an easier time adding Heavy Lasers, Micro Lasers, ER Pulse, X Pulse, Rotary ACs, Heavy Assault Gauss, Heavy Gauss, Light Autocannons, Snub Nose PPC, etc etc.

[Lostdragon]

Requiemking, on 20 December 2016 - 08:46 AM, said:

Really? Yes, you have the DPS of three CUAC5s, but without the range, requiring more facetime, and mounted on a chassis made of coathangers and cheap tinfoil(that pretty much any self respecting heavy medium could severely damage with one shot). Hell, those MGs require at least 9 tons to make any decent use out of them, and nine tons on a 20 tonner is a lot of space. Couple that with the engine requirements(6 more tons), and you have 5 tons left over for armor and/or energy weapons. Not to mention that it's a humanoid mech, which means it will be easier to shoot that it's primary competitor (Locust), just like the Stinger and Wasp. Add that all up and the trollfish just doesn't sound like a good deal.

I manage to have fun in a 7 MG Sadcat so I am sure I can enjoy a 12 MG 20 tonner.

[Requiemking]

Lostdragon, on 20 December 2016 - 08:56 AM, said:

I manage to have fun in a 7 MG Sadcat so I am sure I can enjoy a 12 MG 20 tonner.

The Sadcat has the armor and structure of a 45 ton medium. The trollfish does not.

[Rekkon]

Yes, Fire Moth. All the yes.

QuantumButler, on 20 December 2016 - 08:18 AM, said:

Give me Piranah or give me death.

[Tristan Winter]

Requiemking, on 20 December 2016 - 08:57 AM, said:

The Sadcat has the armor and structure of a 45 ton medium. The trollfish does not.

If the Mist Lynx and Locust are any indication, that trollfish is going to have some serious base quirks.

[Requiemking]

Tristan Winter, on 20 December 2016 - 09:00 AM, said:

If the Mist Lynx and Locust are any indication, that trollfish is going to have some serious base quirks.

If the Locust and Mist Lynx are any indication, those quirks aren't going to help much.

[Gas Guzzler]

El Bandito, on 20 December 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

Piranha deals 11.4 DPS with those 12 MGs. It does not need open sections. It opens sections by itself just fine with a fire power that is equivalent to three heatless CUAC5s. Especially since MG CoF is reduced by 60%. Requiemking simply does not see reason. Or he does not know math.

How much ammo can it bring?

In SSW, without upgrading the engine and leaving full armor, and removing the lasers and adding ferro, you can have 4 tons of Mgun ammo... is that enough when they are your only weapon system?

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 20 December 2016 - 09:16 AM.

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 20 December 2016 - 09:10 AM, said:

How much ammo can it bring?

Dumping the lasers, about 3.5t of ammo, not counting arm stripping, as you wouldn't need arms.

[Juodas Varnas]

Requiemking, on 20 December 2016 - 09:07 AM, said:

If the Locust and Mist Lynx are any indication, those quirks aren't going to help much.

Dude what?
Locust is like the BEST Inner Sphere light mech, BECAUSE of those quirks.

[Tristan Winter]

Requiemking, on 20 December 2016 - 09:07 AM, said:

If the Locust and Mist Lynx are any indication, those quirks aren't going to help much.

I don't know. The LCT-1E is pretty good, as far as I'm concerned. The LCT-3M is pretty good.

I don't like the LCT-1V, but people are doing well with it.

Edited by Tristan Winter, 20 December 2016 - 09:15 AM.