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#41 Sixpack

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 06:46 AM

View PostShiroi Tsuki, on 25 December 2016 - 01:06 AM, said:

Because the Free Rasalhague Republic is arguably the most underdog faction. Hell, it doesn't even appear or mentioned in most stuff. Remember that Battletech merch they were selling? I don't see the FRR in there and I'm a little mad tbh.

Anyone can be a Green Chicken or a Red Puppy because hurr duuurr best Clan in lore kerensky xdd, but the thrill, the excitement of being on the losing side is fun. You can take our worlds. You can take our capital planet, but you will NEVER take away our fighting spirit. We will stand our ground and face this torrent called Clanners.

Though I sure would like some Rasalhague/Ghost Bear Dominion.


That's cute. Whenever the IS is on the upswing the first thing they want to do is a rehash of operation Bulldog. And for all the crying whenever you felt that you needed some easy wins you went for CSJ. Not to mention that all that frontline duty actually gives you some of the best and most organised pilots outside of merc groups.

#42 Shiroi Tsuki

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 07:03 AM

View PostSixpack, on 25 December 2016 - 06:46 AM, said:


That's cute. Whenever the IS is on the upswing the first thing they want to do is a rehash of operation Bulldog. And for all the crying whenever you felt that you needed some easy wins you went for CSJ. Not to mention that all that frontline duty actually gives you some of the best and most organised pilots outside of merc groups.


From about 2 days ago.
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It's what happens when you have a big chunk of the faction united. Besides, didn't Russ say the reason why Clanners are dominating is the fact they have more higher tier units on the Clanner side? ;)

Edited by Shiroi Tsuki, 25 December 2016 - 07:08 AM.


#43 Bombast

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 07:10 AM

View PostShiroi Tsuki, on 25 December 2016 - 07:03 AM, said:


From about 2 days ago.
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Technically Smoke Jaguars do have the most loses of any faction...

Besides that, it's kind of weird how many people in MWO are gleefully cheering and playing for Space You-Know-Whats. Really weird...

Edited by Bombast, 25 December 2016 - 07:10 AM.


#44 Shiroi Tsuki

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 07:13 AM

View PostBombast, on 25 December 2016 - 07:10 AM, said:


Technically Smoke Jaguars do have the most loses of any faction...

Besides that, it's kind of weird how many people in MWO are gleefully cheering and playing for Space You-Know-Whats. Really weird...

True, but they also have the most wins, the higher W/L ratio and the best K/D ratio across all factions.

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#45 Juodas Varnas

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 07:21 AM

View PostBombast, on 25 December 2016 - 07:10 AM, said:


Technically Smoke Jaguars do have the most loses of any faction...

Total number of losses doesn't matter when the faction has the best Win/Loss ratio of all of them...

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 07:29 AM

View PostJuodas Varnas, on 25 December 2016 - 07:21 AM, said:

Total number of losses doesn't matter when the faction has the best Win/Loss ratio of all of them...


...I know.

#47 El Bandito

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 08:13 AM

View PostBombast, on 25 December 2016 - 07:10 AM, said:

Besides that, it's kind of weird how many people in MWO are gleefully cheering and playing for Space You-Know-Whats. Really weird...


For the simple reason that CSJ contract gives 10% additional match rewards. Other Clan contracts are not as good. C-Bill and LP talks.

#48 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 08:17 AM

View PostRemains Intact, on 24 December 2016 - 11:56 PM, said:


Agreed. But why wouldn't someone in a small group just play group queue? Much better rewards and odds of winning.

well, in truth, that's probably one of the reasons there is such a long wait..because the rewards still aren't worth the time investment compared to QP.

But, end of the day, I play whatever mode I choose for game play... I have never paid attention to Cbills or LP, personally. I'm here to play Mechwarrior... I'll let my accountant deal with the rest. ;)

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 08:51 AM

View PostBombast, on 25 December 2016 - 07:10 AM, said:

Besides that, it's kind of weird how many people in MWO are gleefully cheering and playing for Space You-Know-Whats. Really weird...


Well, they are gleefully cheering for You-Know-Whats in IRL politics right now, so...

#50 Sixpack

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 08:58 AM

View PostShiroi Tsuki, on 25 December 2016 - 07:03 AM, said:


From about 2 days ago.
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It's what happens when you have a big chunk of the faction united. Besides, didn't Russ say the reason why Clanners are dominating is the fact they have more higher tier units on the Clanner side? Posted Image


Pretty much, and once the mercs switch enough the steamroller will simply go the other way, like always.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 09:09 AM

View PostSixpack, on 25 December 2016 - 08:58 AM, said:

steamroller


Did... Did I hear someone mention ROAD ROLLER DA?!!?

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Admittedly, that is a good description of what happens when groups fight pugs. If I had my way, there would be a system that forced large units to only be able to switch to factions that have low player counts, but I don't know if that's feasible or not.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 09:21 AM

View Postztac, on 25 December 2016 - 01:04 AM, said:

It would seem that if IS are not doing so well it would be more down to clan groups vs IS pugs than some perceived imbalance in regards to IS mechs.

It has been proved so many times that IS has the edge with quirks... They also have the edge in many other areas without quirks!

I don't do CW anymore due to the fact that as a pug we get olled more matches than we could win due to facing IS pre-mades..... See it works both ways!

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PGI flat came out and said that more skilled players and units gravitate toward playing the Clans and that, per their data, is why we have the imbalance. This is important because they did not say that the issue was due to IS mechs under performing so just as you point out, IS mechs aren't the issue.

The problem is perception and I am not exactly sure how to fix that because we honestly don't know where that perception is coming from. For example:

1 - Could people be gravitating toward the Clan mechs due to the lore? I mean if you know nothing else about this game except what you have read, can find on Sarna or through other sources, you would only know that the Clan have superior tech. Therefore you might conclude that they are the best mechs in the game.

2 - Could it just be that the Clan lore is cooler? Everyone likes Sparta and lets be honestly the Clan's are kind of like a Space Sparta. They are a warrior race devoted to creating the perfect super soldier. If you are a Clan Mechwarrior you are a genetically super soldier and part of the "nobility" of your society. Kind of like a Knight in the middle ages. If you compare the IS mechwarrior to that well it is a bit lacking, in the IS unless your Prince Victor, you just another cog in the machine.

3 - Could it be due to reputation? What I mean here is that when the Clan's first released, they were actually OP and were that way for quite some time. When something is like that it develops a reputation and even if things change, that reputation can persist and often people will see believe that nothing has changed.

4 - Could it be that people aren't looking at the tech deep enough? Here is the likely culprit in my opinion. On the surface Clan weapons seem superior. I mean if you just glance at a cER ML you see a weapon that weighs only 1 ton and takes up 1 slot doing 7 damage at a range of 405m and it is ONLY 2 heat hotter than an IS ML. However that "Only 2 Heat" means that the cER ML has to mount at least 1 additional DHS to sink that additional heat making the cER ML a 2 ton, 3 Slot weapon when compared to an IS ML. When you actually look at things this closely and from this perspective, all of a suddenly that extra damage and range on the cER ML makes sense and the weapon doesn't seem that powerful.

There might even be other reasons why Clan tech is perceived to be more powerful overall, but my point is, it is hard to fix a perception issue and nerfing the popular faction and creating a negative tech balance to make them less popular isn't the solution.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 11:40 AM

It is a fact that units like 228th, SJR, EmP, etc. trend Clans for performance reasons. You can just go ask them yourselves, it's not some closely guarded secret.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 11:41 AM

So essentially it boils down to there is no reason to switch from clan help out the IS factions unless you are part of an organized unit and can win 60+ % of matches? Or the other situation is for RP reasons and you don't mind earning 30% of cbills you normally would?

Edited by Remains Intact, 25 December 2016 - 11:41 AM.


#55 HauptmanT

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 12:13 PM

Shorter wait times for matches.

That is why you chose IS.

Last FW match I played, I sat there staring at a spinning circle for 15 minutes. Tomarow, I go Davion, and bang out missions faster, a loss is better than a spinning circle.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 12:16 PM

View PostShiroi Tsuki, on 25 December 2016 - 01:52 AM, said:

For a faction that has a history of being stepped on over and roflstomped, I'd say it's a fair balance.
The FRR arguably suffered the most in the Clan Invasion. They were down to 7 planets (from about 80), which if I remember my lore right, is smaller than some Periphery factions. Tukayyid, one of the 7 remaining planets even became a sacrifice for the battle that would determine the Clan's invasion outcome. Not to mention the Drac's long occupation before the Clan Invasion


FRR got stepped on, yes. If it were FRR clobbering people, I would agree with you. However, the Dominion is more Ghost Bear in its portrayal than it is FRR. When the Dominion become a thing, they basically prowl the galaxy to beat down upstarts and, whenever their ranks get diminished, they just make a pit-stop at a planet and the writers will refill the touman.

Yay.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:20 PM

View PostViktor Drake, on 25 December 2016 - 09:21 AM, said:


PGI flat came out and said that more skilled players and units gravitate toward playing the Clans and that, per their data, is why we have the imbalance. This is important because they did not say that the issue was due to IS mechs under performing so just as you point out, IS mechs aren't the issue.


You would have to be totally delusional to think that.

Giving the IS more tonnage ontop of comp units going Clan... should be a giant red flag to anyone with a clue.

It's easier to say that if noone knew any better, but in this instance... it's not a random occurrence.

Edited by Deathlike, 25 December 2016 - 03:21 PM.


#58 Herodes

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:48 PM

Every aspect of the Clans, be it lore, their stupidity and arrogance and fashist ideas, be it them ruining TT, be it MWO, is just disgusting. Power creepy idiotic factions never done right. How can one be one of them if not for the wrong reasons?

And besides, the IS has the King Crab. Just this one Mech is sufficient to join IS.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:53 PM

View PostHerodes, on 25 December 2016 - 03:48 PM, said:

Every aspect of the Clans, be it lore, their stupidity and arrogance and fashist ideas, be it them ruining TT, be it MWO, is just disgusting. Power creepy idiotic factions never done right. How can one be one of them if not for the wrong reasons?

And besides, the IS has the King Crab. Just this one Mech is sufficient to join IS.


I've got a perfectly valid reason for you to be a Clan Diamond Shark pilot.

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Edited by RestosIII, 25 December 2016 - 04:34 PM.


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Posted 25 December 2016 - 07:43 PM

Personally I just like piloting IS mechs. I've dabbled with some clan mechs but I just don't like them.

Also from the books I've read & MW3 & 4 I'm more attached to Davion or IS merc.





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